TL: Alan Keyes' End of History

[President Earl Warren]

Also, Bullock must have been very good if he’s this fondly remembered for after dying within two years of his term.

Not nessicarly, JFK is fondly remembered by most even though his Presidency had a multitude of problems.

 

[Anarcho-Occultist]

Oof poor Perot. His party had so much potential and it’s probably gone now.

Will the TL continue/get a sequel or is this the conclusion?

 

[Prince Daemon Targaryen]

What does the Supreme Court look like ITTL?

 

[Oppo]

Is this the last chapter or do you plan to do an epilogue?

Will the TL continue/get a sequel or is this the conclusion?

For the moment it seems to be the end. Of course, I may very well restart this or do the election game idea.

Hmm...if this can be assumed to have been said in 2018, and considering that Bullock died in 1999 IOTL, that would mean that Bullock dies during his term and we get Jesse Jackson as President.

Bingo. A lot of these ideas for the timeline I came up with independently and stringed up together.

Was Beltrones at least democratically selected in a PRI primary or did Colosio handpick him?

I’m afraid it was the latter. With the PRI doing better in the 1994-2000 term and Vicente Fox not in the race, their rule over Mexico continues.

I have to wonder what the fate of Alan’s daughter, Maya Keyes, is in this timeline. Her parents disowned her after she came out as a lesbian and kicked her out of the house. Does something like that happen here? What would the public reaction be to a former president who mindlessly raged about family values outright abandoning his daughter?

I thought over this, and it's something very interesting. I'd say she would still come out and be disowned. I was unsure if Keyes would run for office after his presidency, but it's quite possible that this would hurt his potential campaign if he did.

What does the Supreme Court look like ITTL?

CJ: William Rehnquist (Reagan) [1986]
John Paul Stevens (Ford) [1975]
Sandra Day O'Connor (Reagan) [1981]
Antonin Scalia (Reagan) [1986]
David Souter (Bush) [1990]
Clarence Thomas (Bush) [1991]
Emilio Garza (Keyes) [1993]
Edith Jones (Keyes) [1994]

 

[President Earl Warren]

I thought over this, and it's something very interesting. I'd say she would still come out and be disowned. I was unsure if Keyes would run for office after his presidency, but it's quite possible that this would hurt his potential campaign if he did.

Another arrangement could be that she tells her parents and Keyes has a similar reaction to OTl but knowing the media hellfire that would come down on him if he did disown her, I could see him just giving her Abit of money and saying "I won't disown you and make a circus out of this but I never really want to see you again, now please go off and disappear into normal life, away from all cameras." It might not work if she decides to go public though.

 

[President Earl Warren]

CJ: William Rehnquist (Reagan) [1986]
John Paul Stevens (Ford) [1975]
Sandra Day O'Connor (Reagan) [1981]
Antonin Scalia (Reagan) [1986]
David Souter (Bush) [1990]
Clarence Thomas (Bush) [1991]
Emilio Garza (Keyes) [1993]
Edith Jones (Keyes) [1994]

That's a really conservative court, Roe V Wade is a dead letter and when it eventually hits the dock,as are at least a dozen other cases. This will affect America for generations.

 

[Baconheimer]

Perot's choices of running-mates ITTL is perhaps the most schizophrenic thing to ever appear on this site. I mean,

Lowell Weicker -> Hunter Thompson -> Gordon Humphrey

 

[Oppo]

Perot's choices of running-mates ITTL is perhaps the most schizophrenic thing to ever appear on this site. I mean,

Lowell Weicker -> Hunter Thompson -> Gordon Humphrey

Well, that's the case with whatever Perot's party is. Remember that in A Giant Sucking Sound, the Freedomites have Steve Forbes, Donald Trump, and Jello Biafra as major presidential candidates. IOTL, the Reform Party nominated Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader back to back.

Weicker was chosen in order to shore up centrist voters from liberal Republicans and Democrats, as well to offer greater experience to the Perot ticket. Hunter S. Thompson was chosen as Perot wanted a more unconventional choice that would appeal to left-wing Democrats upset with Sam Nunn. Gordon Humphrey was chosen as Perot focused on his economic policies in the 2000 campaign.

 

[Baconheimer]

Well, that's the case with whatever Perot's party is. Remember that in A Giant Sucking Sound, the Freedomites have Steve Forbes, Donald Trump, and Jello Biafra as major presidential candidates. IOTL, the Reform Party nominated Pat Buchanan and Ralph Nader back to back.

Weicker was chosen in order to shore up centrist voters from liberal Republicans and Democrats, as well to offer greater experience to the Perot ticket. Hunter S. Thompson was chosen as Perot wanted a more unconventional choice that would appeal to left-wing Democrats upset with Sam Nunn. Gordon Humphrey was chosen as Perot focused on his economic policies in the 2000 campaign.

Oh I don’t mean to be overly critical. I think it’s a really good way to express the fact the UFP is more or less a Perot personality cult without much ideological consistency.

 

[Roberto El Rey]

In tribute to an excellent and exceptionally readable timeline:

 

[Prince Daemon Targaryen]

That's a really conservative court, Roe V Wade is a dead letter and when it eventually hits the dock,as are at least a dozen other cases. This will affect America for generations.

Bullock gets one appointment in that case since it's just eight. May I suggest FL Supreme Court justice Barbara Pariente

 

[Bookmark1995]

It seems like with Bullock, the Democratic Party is taking an...opportunistic shift from social issues onto more bread and butter economic issues.

My guess is those were more important ITTL, since Reaganomics had a direct continuation under Keyes, and the economic benefits of the 1990s never reached enough people.

Jackson, I'm guessing, decided that working toward economic liberalism was more important, and was willing to work with Bullock to get those things done. It will be interesting to see what the Bullock-Jackson years are like in terms of domestic accomplishment.

But this strategy pushed away some of the social liberals, and contributed to the Green Party's greater success. I wonder if ITTL, the Green Party will still grow from here, or if the Jackson President will lead it to fizzle away.

Perot's choices of running-mates ITTL is perhaps the most schizophrenic thing to ever appear on this site. I mean,

Lowell Weicker -> Hunter Thompson -> Gordon Humphrey

Yeah, Perot's campaign didn't really have any specific issue...aside from budget balancing and trade deals.

It will be interesting to see if the United Party will outlast Perot, since he still managed to do decently.

 

[Baconheimer]

It will be interesting to see if the United Party will outlast Perot, since he still managed to do decently.

Persoonally, I think it will not. Weicker and Hagelin is hardly a strong bench. They’ll need to recruit someone better to run in 2004.

Also @Oppo what do congressional numbers look like? Did the greens and UFP ever get representation?

 

[Oppo]

But this strategy pushed away some of the social liberals, and contributed to the Green Party's greater success. I wonder if ITTL, the Green Party will still grow from here, or if the Jackson President will lead it to fizzle away.

That has made an impact on the Greens, although there were also more third party voters to move over. Ventura and the Minnesota UFP endorsed Jello over Perot, for instance.

Also @Oppo what do congressional numbers look like? Did the greens and UFP ever get representation?

The Greens don’t have anyone, but the UFP have got in the high single digits.

Persoonally, I think it will not. Weicker and Hagelin is hardly a strong bench. They’ll need to recruit someone better to run in 2004.

Ventura looks like the frontrunner for 2004’s nomination at the moment.

 

[Baconheimer]

If we don’t end up with Maya Keyes running as an ultraliberal in 2024 I’ll be disappointed.

@Oppo Is there anyone competent in the UFP delegation that could run a decent presidential campaign? Also though, I could see Perot running in every election until he dies.

 

[Gonzo]

@Oppo any chance you could give us a little rundown who is currently in power around the world as of January 2001?

 

[Oppo]

@Oppo Is there anyone competent in the UFP delegation that could run a decent presidential campaign? Also though, I could see Perot running in every election until he dies.

Probably one of the Minnesota delegations of Ventura, Penny, or Barkley. Angus King could also be a contender.

@Oppo any chance you could give us a little rundown who is currently in power around the world as of January 2001?

Will do - any countries in particular that haven’t been covered?

 

[Oppo]

United States of America

1989-1992: George Bush/Alan Keyes (Republican)
1988 def. Michael Dukakis/Lloyd Bentsen (Democratic)
1992-1992: Alan Keyes/Vacant (Republican)
1992-2001: Alan Keyes/James Baker (Republican)
1992 def. George McGovern/John Lewis (Democratic), Ross Perot/Lowell Weicker (Independent)
1996 def. Sam Nunn/Steny Hoyer (Democratic), Ross Perot/Hunter S. Thompson (United Future)
2001-2002: Bob Bullock/Jesse Jackson (Democratic)
2000 def. Doug Wead/Phil Gramm (Republican), Ross Perot/Gordon Humphrey (United Future), Jello Biafra/Howard Zinn (Green)

Spoiler: Speakers of the House

1995-1999: Dick Armey (Republican)
1994 (Majority) def. Tom Foley (Democratic), Tim Penny (United Future)
1996 (Majority) def. David Bonior (Democratic), Tim Penny (United Future)
1999-0000: David Bonior (Democratic)
1998 (Majority) def. Dick Armey (Republican), Tim Penny (United Future)
2000 (Majority) def. Dick Armey (Republican), Tim Penny (Independence)

Presidents of the Soviet Union

1990-1991: Mikhail Gorbachev (Communist)
1990 def. "Against" vote
1991-1993: Mikhail Gorbachev (Social Democratic)
1993-0000: Viktor Anpilov (Liberal Democratic)
1993 def. Yegor Ligachev (Communist), Mikhail Gorbachev (Social Democratic), Yegor Gaidar (Alliance), Grigory Yavlinsky (Yabloko)
1997 def. Anatoly Lukyanov (Communist), Grigory Yavlinsky (Third Way), Yegor Gaidar (Alliance), Alexander Lebedev (Social Democratic)

Spoiler: Presidents of the Russian SFSR

1991-1992: Boris Yeltsin (Independent)
1991 (with Alexander Rutosky) def. Nikolai Ryzhov (CPSU), Vladimir Zhirinovsky (LDPSU), Aman Tuleyev (Independent)
1992-1992: Alexander Rutskoy (Independent)
1992-0000: Vladimir Zhirinovsky (LDPSU)
1992 (with Andrey Zavidiya) def. Aman Tuleyev (CPSU), Alexander Rutskoy (Independent), Yury Boldyrev (Yabloko)
1996 (with Andrey Zavidiya) def. Vladimir Bukovsky (Independent), Gennady Zyuganov (CPSU), Vladimir Putin (Independent)

Prime Ministers of Japan

1993-1997: Ichirō Ozawa (Shinseito)
1993 (Coalition) def. Kiichi Miyazawa (LDP), Sadao Yamahara (Socialist), Koshiro Ishida (Komeito), Morihiro Hosokawa (New), Tetsuzo Fuwa (Communist), Keigo Ōuchi (Democratic Socialist), Masayoshi Takemura (New Party Sakigake)
1997-1999: Yōhei Kōno (LDP)
1997 (Minority) def. Ichirō Ozawa (New Frontier), Tetuso Fuwa (Communist), Tomiichi Murayama (Socialist)
1999-0000: Ichirō Ozawa (New Frontier)
1999 (Coalition) def. Yōhel Kōno (LDP), Tetuso Fuwa (Communist), Wataru Kubo (Socialist)

Paramount Leaders of China

1989-1990: Jiang Zemin (CCP)
1990-1998: Yang Shangkun (CCP)
1998-0000: Yang Baibing (CCP)

Prime Ministers of Canada

1991-1995: Lucien Bouchard (Progressive Conservative)
1993 (Minority) def. Jean Chrétien (Liberal), Preston Manning (Reform), Audrey McLaughlin (NDP)
1995-1999: Lucien Bouchard (Maple Conservative)
1995 (Majority) def. Paul Martin (Liberal), Preston Manning (Reform), Audrey McLaughlin (NDP)
1999-0000: Roy Romanov (Liberal)
1999 (Majority) def. Lucien Bouchard (Maple Conservative), Svend Robinson (NDP), Raymond Speaker (Reform)

Presidents of France

1995-0000: Phillipe de Villers (UDF)
1995 def. Lionel Jospin (PS), Jacques Chirac (RPR), Jean-Marie Le Pen (FN), Robert Hue (PCF), Arlette Laguiller (LO)

Chancellors of Germany

1994-0000: Gerhard Schröder (SPD)
1994 (Coalition with Greens) def. Helmut Kohl (CDU-CSU), Antje Vollmer (Green), Klaus Kinkel (FDP), Gregor Gysi (PDS)
1998 (Coalition with Greens) def. Volker Rühe (CDU-CSU), Antje Vollmer (Green), Edzard Schmidt-Jortzig (FDP), Gregor Gysi (PDS)

Prime Ministers of Australia

1996-1998: Alexander Downer (Coalition)
1996 (Majority) def. Paul Keating (Labor)
1998-0000: Gareth Evans (Labor)
1998 (Majority) def. Alexander Downer (Coalition)

Prime Ministers of the United Kingdom

1990-1993: John Major (Conservative)
1992 (Minority) def. Neil Kinnock (Labour), Paddy Ashdown (Democrats), David Owen (SDP)
1993-1993: Margaret Beckett (Labour)
1993 (Majority) def. John Major (Conservative), Paddy Ashdown (Democrats), David Owen (SDP)
1993-0000: Tony Blair (Labour)
1997 (Progressive Alliance with Liberal Democrats) def. Michael Hestletine (Conservative), David Owen (SDP)
2001 (Progressive Alliance with Liberal Democrats) def. Michael Howard (Conservative), Ian Paisley (DUP), Rosie Barnes (SDP)

Prime Ministers of Italy

1994-1998: Stefano Rodotà (Alliance of Progressives)
1994 (Majority) def. Silvio Berlusconi (Pole of Freedoms & Good Government), Mariotto Segni (Pact for Italy)
1998-0000: Pier Ferdinand Casini (Christian Democracy)
1998 (Majority) def. Achille Occhetto (Alliance of Progressives), Umberto Bossi (Lega), Fausto Bertinotti (Communist Refoundation), Silvio Berlusconi (Forza Italia)

Presidents of Korea

1998-0000: Lee In-Ji (Grand National)
1998 def. Kim Dae-jung (National Congress)

Prime Ministers of Israel

1995-0000: Shimon Peres (Labor)
1996 def. Benjamin Netanyahu (Likud)
2000 def. Benny Begin (Likud)

Presidents of Mexico

1994-2000: Luis Donaldo Colosio (PRI)
1994 def. Cuauhtémoc Cárdenas (PRD), Diego Fernández de Cevallos (PAN)
2000-0000: Manlio Fabio Beltrones (PRI)
2000 def. Cuauhtémoc Cárdenas (PRD), Ernesto Ruffo Appel (PAN)

Presidents of South Africa

1994-1999: Thabo Mbeki (ANC)
1994 (Coalition) def. Mangosuthu Buthelezi (IFP), F.W. de Kirk (National), Constand Viljoen (Freedom Front), Zach de Beer (Democratic), Clarence Makwetu (PAC)
1999-0000: Mangosuthu Buthelezi (IFP)
1999 (Coalition) def. Thabo Mbeki (ANC), Tony Leon (Democratic), Kraai van Niekerk (National), Bantu Holomisa (UDM), Constand Viljoen (Freedom Front)

Presidents of Taiwan

1988-2000: Lee Teng-Hui (Kuomintang)
1990 (with Hau Pei-tsun) def. Invalid votes
1996 (with Lien Chan) def. Peng Ming-Min (Democratic Progressive), Chen Li-an (Petition)
2000-0000: King Pu-Tsung (Kuomintang)
2000 (with James Soong) def. Shih Ming-teh (Democratic Progressive)

Prime Ministers of New Zealand

1996-1999: Jim Bolger (National)
1996 (Coalition) def. Winston Peters (Alliance), Helen Clark (Labour), Richard Prebble (ACT), Jim Anderton (NewLabour), Graeme Lee (Christian Coalition)
1999-0000: Winston Peters (Alliance)
1999 (Coalition) def. Jim Bolger (National), Michael Cullen (Labour), Richard Prebble (ACT), Jim Anderton (NewLabour), Graeme Lee (Christian Coalition)

Presidents of Venezula

1999-0000: Irene Sáez (IRENE)
1998 def. Henrique Salas Roemer (PROVE), Francisco Arias Cárdenas (LCR)

Taoisigh of Ireland

1987-1995: Charles Haughey (Fianna Fáil)
1987 (Minority) def. Garret FitzGerald (Fine Gael), Desmond O'Malley (Progressive Democrats), Dick Spring (Labour)
1989 (Majority) def. Alan Dukes (Fine Gael), Dick Spring (Labour), Proinsias De Rossa (Workers'), Desmond O'Malley (Progressive Democrats)
1994 (Coalition) def. Gay Mitchell (Fine Gael), Dick Spring (Labour), Desmond O'Malley (Progressive Democrats)
1995-1998: Bertie Ahern (Fianna Fáil)
1998-0000: Gay Mitchell (Fine Gael)
1998 (Coalition) def. Bertie Ahern (Fianna Fáil), Dick Spring (Labour), Desmond O'Malley (Progressive Democrats)

Presidents of Liberia

1985-0000: Samuel Doe (National Democratic)
1985 def. Jackson Doe (Liberian Action)
1995 def. Ellen Johnson Sirleaf (Liberian Action)

 

[Roberto El Rey]

Presidents of Venezula

1999-0000: Irene Sáez (IRENE)
1999 def. Henrique Salas Roemer (PROVE), Francisco Arias Cárdenas (LCR)

Coincidental timing?

 

[Zharques]

Hey @Oppo, would you mind doing Australia?