TL-191 Uniform, weapons and equipment of the Secondary Combatants.
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British and Commonwealth Heavy of the Second Great War
Warwick class Heavy Cruiser (1926)
Specifications (following 1939 refit)
Weight: 11,955 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Curtis-Brown geared steam turbines, 12x Yarrow Boilers
Range: 7,000 nautical miles
Speed: 30.5 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Fairey Seafox Floatplane, 1 catapult
Armor:
Kent class Heavy Cruiser (1928)
Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 14,910 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 13,300 nautical miles
Speed: 31.5 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Supermarine Walrus Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 early warning radar, Type 284 and Type 285 fire control radar.
Armor:
Norfolk class Heavy Cruiser (1930)
Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 14,600 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 79 early warning radar and Type 286 fire control radar.
Armor:
HMS York Heavy Cruiser (1930)
Specifications (following 1941 refit)
Weight: 10,350 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 10,000 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Armor:
HMS Exeter Heavy Cruiser (1931)
Specifications (following 1941 refit)
Weight: 10,490 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 10,000 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 Early Warning Radar.
Armor:
London class Heavy Cruiser (1937)
Specifications (following 1941 refit)
Weight: 14,690 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 early warning radar, Type 284 and Type 285 fire control radars.
Armor:
Hampshire class Heavy Cruiser (1940-1942)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 15,200 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 3 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 early warning radar, Type 284 and Type 285 fire control radars.
Armor:
Warwick class Heavy Cruiser (1926)
Specifications (following 1939 refit)
Weight: 11,955 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Curtis-Brown geared steam turbines, 12x Yarrow Boilers
Range: 7,000 nautical miles
Speed: 30.5 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Fairey Seafox Floatplane, 1 catapult
Armor:
- Belt: 76mm
- Main Deck: 38mm
- Turrets: 25mm
- Barbettes: 25mm
- Conning Tower: 76mm
- 6 x 8 in guns (3x2)
- 4 x 102mm DP guns
- 2 x 40mm AA guns
- 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Warwick (D57) | Chatham Dockyard, Chatham. | June 3, 1922 | October 1, 1924 | July 1926 | September 1944 | Badly damaged by Luftwaffe bombers in the North Sea, February 1944. BU 1947. |
| HMS Wiltshire (D102) | Portsmouth Dockyard, Portsmouth. | October 4, 1922 | August 28, 1924 | July 1927 | Sunk by SMS U-903 in the Indian Ocean, September 17, 1941. | |
| HMS Essex (D78) | Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow. | August 2, 1922 | March 20, 1924 | September 1926 | Sunk during the Battle of the Dodecanese, September 2, 1942. | |
| HMS Lincolnshire (D41) | Portsmouth Dockyard, Portsmouth. | April 2, 1923 | June 8, 1924 | June 1927 | September 1944 | Badly damaged in the Buenos Aires Raid, December 2, 1943 and never repaired. Scrapped 1944-1949. |
Kent class Heavy Cruiser (1928)
Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 14,910 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 13,300 nautical miles
Speed: 31.5 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Supermarine Walrus Floatplanes, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 early warning radar, Type 284 and Type 285 fire control radar.
Armor:
- Belt: 114mm
- Main Deck: 38mm
- Bulkheads: 25mm
- Turrets: 25mm
- Barbettes: 25mm
- Box Magazine Protection: 111mm
- 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
- 8 x 102mm DP guns (4x2)
- 16 x 40mm AA guns (4x4)
- 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
- 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Kent (65) | Chatham Dockyard, Chatham. | November 15, 1924 | March 16, 1926 | June 22, 1928 | Sunk at Scapa Flow by USN aircraft, June 2, 1944. BU 1945. | |
| HMS Cornwall (90) | Devonport Dockyard, Plymouth. | October 9, 1924 | March 11, 1926 | August 5, 1928 | Sunk by Japanese aircraft in the Indian Ocean, April 21, 1944. | |
| HMS Cumberland (59) | Vickers-Armstrong, Barrow. | October 18, 1924 | March 16, 1926 | January 23, 1928 | Sunk during the Battle of the English Channel, May 6, 1944. | |
| HMS Suffolk (55) | Devonport Dockyard, Plymouth. | September 30, 1924 | February 16, 1926 | May 31, 1928 | Sunk during the Second Battle of Bermuda, April 6th, 1943. | |
| HMAS Canberra (I33-D33) | John Brown, Clydebank | August 26, 1925 | March 17, 1927 | April 24, 1928 | Sunk during the Battle of the Solomon Sea, April 4th, 1944. | |
| HMAS Melbourne (I84-D84-C84 1948) | John Brown, Clydebank | September 9, 1925 | May 31, 1927 | August 10, 1928 | August 31, 1954 | Sold for scrap, 1955. |
Norfolk class Heavy Cruiser (1930)
Specifications (following 1940 refit)
Weight: 14,600 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 79 early warning radar and Type 286 fire control radar.
Armor:
- Belt: 114mm
- Main Deck: 38mm
- Bulkheads: 25mm
- Turrets: 25mm
- Barbettes: 25mm
- Box Magazine Protection: 111mm
- 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
- 8 x 102mm DP guns (4x2)
- 40 x 178mm AA rocket projectors (2x20)
- 16 x 40mm AA guns (2x8)
- 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
- 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Norfolk (78, C78 - 1948) | Fairfield, Govan | July 8, 1927 | December 12, 1928 | April 30, 1930 | Late 1952 | Scrapped at Newport, 1953. |
| HMS Dorsetshire (40) | Portsmouth Dockyard, Portsmouth. | September 27, 1927 | January 29, 1929 | September 30, 1930 | Sunk during the Second Battle of Bermuda, April 11, 1943. | |
| HMS Berwick (65) | Fairfield, Govan | August 16, 1927 | March 1, 1929 | November 2, 1930 | September 1944 | Barracks ship for US occupation forces, July 1944. Scuttled in the North Sea, January 24, 1946. |
HMS York Heavy Cruiser (1930)
Specifications (following 1941 refit)
Weight: 10,350 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 10,000 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Armor:
- Belt: 76mm
- Main Deck: 38mm
- Bulkheads: 89mm
- Turrets: 25mm
- Barbettes: 25mm
- Box magazine protection: 127mm
- 6 x 8 in guns (3x2)
- 4 x 102mm DP guns
- 2 x 40mm AA guns
- 2 x 20mm AA guns
- 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
- 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS York (90) | Palmers, Jarrow | May 16, 1930 | July 17, 1928 | May 1, 1930 | Sunk by US Navy warships in the Denmark Strait, November 12, 1942. |
HMS Exeter Heavy Cruiser (1931)
Specifications (following 1941 refit)
Weight: 10,490 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 10,000 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 1 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 Early Warning Radar.
Armor:
- Belt: 76mm
- Main Deck: 38mm
- Bulkheads: 89mm
- Turrets: 25mm
- Barbettes: 25mm
- Box magazine protection: 127mm
- 6 x 8 in guns (3x2)
- 4 x 102mm DP guns
- 16 x 40mm AA guns (2x8)
- 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
- 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Exeter (68) | Devonport Dockyard, Plymouth. | August 1, 1928 | July 18, 1929 | July 23, 1931 | Sunk by shore batteries at Drøbak Sound, April 9, 1942. |
London class Heavy Cruiser (1937)
Specifications (following 1941 refit)
Weight: 14,690 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32.3 knots
Aviation Capacity: 2 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 early warning radar, Type 284 and Type 285 fire control radars.
Armor:
- Belt: 114mm
- Main Deck: 38mm
- Bulkheads: 25mm
- Turrets: 25mm
- Barbettes: 25mm
- Box Magazine Protection: 111mm
- 8 x 8 in guns (4x2)
- 8 x 102mm DP guns (4x2)
- 16 x 40mm AA guns (4x4)
- 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
- 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS London (69) | Portsmouth Dockyard, Portsmouth. | March 16, 1934 | October 22, 1935 | January 31, 1937 | Sunk by USN aircraft during the Battle of the Magellan Strait, July 28, 1943. |
| HMS Devonshire (39) | Devonport Dockyard, Plymouth. | February 23, 1934 | September 14, 1935 | March 18, 1937 | Sunk during the Battle of the North Sea, September 1942. |
| HMS Shropshire (83) | Beardmore, Dalmuir | February 24, 1935 | July 5, 1936 | September 12, 1937 | Sunk by USN Destroyers near the Falklands, August 16, 1943. |
| HMS Sussex (96) | Hawthorn Leslie, Hebburn | February 1, 1935 | February 22, 1936 | March 19, 1937 | Sunk during the Battle of Rockall Bank, October 7, 1943. |
Hampshire class Heavy Cruiser (1940-1942)
Specifications (As originally completed)
Weight: 15,200 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 4x Parsons geared steam turbines, 8x Admiralty 3-drum Boilers
Range: 12,500 nautical miles
Speed: 32 knots
Aviation Capacity: 3 Supermarine Walrus Floatplane, 1 catapult
Sensors: Type 279 early warning radar, Type 284 and Type 285 fire control radars.
Armor:
- Belt: 125mm
- Main Deck: 38mm
- Bulkheads: 25mm
- Turrets: 25mm
- Barbettes: 25mm
- Box Magazine Protection: 115mm
- 9 x 8 in guns (3x3)
- 14 x 102mm DP guns (7x2)
- 16 x 40mm AA guns (2x8)
- 8 x 12.7mm AA machine-guns (2x4)
- 8 x 553mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HMS Hampshire (14) | Fairfield, Govan | October 27, 1937 | March 4, 1939 | November 2, 1940 | September 1944 | To the USA (USS Providence (CAF-154)), September 1944. |
| HMS Surrey (17) | Swan Hunter, Wallsend | November 4, 1937 | May 24, 1939 | January 22, 1941 | Sunk by Japanese aircraft in the Indian Ocean, April 21, 1944. | |
| HMS Northumberland (47) | Fairfield, Govan | April 6, 1938 | November 11, 1939 | May 2, 1941 | Sunk during the Battle of the Norwegian Sea, December 6, 1942. | |
| HMS Ulster (103) | Vickers-Armstrong, Tyne | April 22, 1938 | December 29, 1939 | February 3, 1942 | Sunk during the Second Battle of Bermuda, April 11, 1943. | |
| HMS Antrim (93) | Cammell Laird, Birkenhead. | August 2, 1939 | December 1, 1941 | April 9, 1943 | Converted into an Aircraft Carrier, January 1942. | |
| HMS Sutherland (74) | Swan Hunter, Wallsend | September 21, 1939 | March 14, 1942 | July 1943 | Converted into an Aircraft Carrier, March 1942. | |
| HMS Shetland (100) | Scotts, Greenock | October 2, 1939 | April 2, 1942 | September 1943 | Converted into an Aircraft Carrier, April 1942. | |
| HMS Rutland (112) | Cammell Laird, Birkenhead. | August 9, 1939 | January 2, 1942 | April 25, 1943 | Converted into an Aircraft Carrier, January 1942. |
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I have some Chinese alt-aircraft around here somewhere and we've discussed who might supply weapons and such to the Chinese in TL-191. Our general conclusion was that Imperial Germany would most likely assist China since they had good relations IOTL but some other nations have been suggested as well.
Go over the thread and you should find some posts on China but not a lot to be honest but maybe your post will strike up some conversation.
I personally think the Ottomans and Austro-Hungary as well as Germany would give aid to China but not so sure if the Entente powers would in turn aid Japan, Japan kind of gave everyone the finger in TL-191 and got away with too.
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Would that also give them a navy as a way to counter Japan.
Good question, I would think that after the Great War the Central Powers might have given the Chinese some ships taken from the Entente but Turtledove never says anything about this.
Deleted member 2186
Well it would be a good idea, if there is a strong China friendly to Germany and the United States, it will be a good counter to Japan,
Yeah but I'm fairly certain that HT mentions in the AE trilogy that Japan had conqured China before the 1932 American Japanese War.
True and unfortunately he didn’t go into much detail about what went down in Asia.
I have been wondering what model of bomber the Germans would've used as their delivery vehicle for their Superbomb attacks on Petrograd, Paris, and Britain.
One such plane might've been the Heinkel He-277.
One such plane might've been the Heinkel He-277.
Deleted member 2186
Who say it is a Heinkel, could be a Gotha bomber ore a Zeppelin-Staaken bomber as they where producers of bombers during the first Great War.
I always pictured WWI avation companies surviving with Albatross and Fokker building fighters and gotha building Bombers
Same here and I've made and posted some here and over on the other TL-191 threads.
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considering that Fokker for a moment was the worlds biggest aircraft company post WW1 (in the 20s), don't think that Fokker be be just limited to fighters.
Since experience with bigger airframes for civilian aircraft also rubs off to the military section i would not be surprised if the also built bombers (after all they did so otl)
German Destroyers of the SGW (Part 1)
Type 1922 class Destroyer (1925-1926)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 2,107 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Schichau geared steam turbines, 4x Wagner boilers
Range: 1,988 nautical miles
Speed: 34.5 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
Type 1925 class Destroyer (1928)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 2,691 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 5x Wagner boilers
Range: 4,500 nautical miles
Speed: 37 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
Type 1928 class Destroyer (1931-1932)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 2,991 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 6x Wagner boilers
Range: 4,500 nautical miles
Speed: 38.5 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
Type 1930 class Destroyer (1933)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 3,156 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 6x Wagner boilers
Range: 1,825 nautical miles
Speed: 38.5 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
Type 1930A class Destroyer (1934-1935)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 3,165 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 6x Wagner boilers
Range: 1,825 nautical miles
Speed: 38.5 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
Type 1922 class Destroyer (1925-1926)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 2,107 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Schichau geared steam turbines, 4x Wagner boilers
Range: 1,988 nautical miles
Speed: 34.5 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
- 5 x 5-inch/42 caliber C/22 main guns
- 2 x 37mm/80 caliber SK C/30 AA guns (1x2)
- 3 x 20mm/65 caliber C/30 AA guns
- 8 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 18 Depth Charges
- 30 Naval Mines
- Ordered: 12
- Lost: 5 (4 lost to enemy action and 1 (Z-6 lost to collision with SMS Kolmar off Bornholm (7/16/1936).
- In service: 1925-1944
- Post-war fates: 7 Scrapped.
Type 1925 class Destroyer (1928)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 2,691 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 5x Wagner boilers
Range: 4,500 nautical miles
Speed: 37 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
- 5 x 5-inch/42 caliber C/22 main guns
- 4 x 37mm/80 caliber SK C/30 AA guns (2x2)
- 4 x 20mm/65 caliber C/30 AA guns
- 8 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4) + 8 extra torpedoes
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 18 Depth Charges
- 60 Naval Mines
- Ordered: 12
- Lost: 6 (all in enemy action.)
- Other users: The Netherlands (2 units)
- In service: 1928-1945
- Post-war fates: 4 Scrapped, 2 sunk in target practice.
Type 1928 class Destroyer (1931-1932)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 2,991 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 6x Wagner boilers
Range: 4,500 nautical miles
Speed: 38.5 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
- 5 x 5-inch/42 caliber C/22 main guns
- 4 x 37mm/80 caliber SK C/30 AA guns (2x2)
- 6 x 20mm/65 caliber C/30 AA guns
- 10 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x5) + 10 extra torpedoes
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 18 Depth Charges
- 60 Naval Mines
- Ordered: 18
- Subclasses: Type 1928A, 6 ships
- Lost: 9 (7 to enemy action, 2 to naval mines.)
- Other users: Norway (1 unit, HNoMS Stord (ex Z-39 Hermann Kraushaar)), the Netherlands (2 units)
- In service: 1931-1953
- Post-war fates: 9 Scrapped.
Type 1930 class Destroyer (1933)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 3,156 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 6x Wagner boilers
Range: 1,825 nautical miles
Speed: 38.5 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
- 5 x 5-inch/42 caliber C/22 main guns
- 4 x 37mm/80 caliber SK C/30 AA guns (2x2)
- 6 x 20mm/65 caliber C/30 AA guns
- 10 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4) + 16 extra torpedoes
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 18 Depth Charges
- 60 Naval Mines
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Z43 Hans Lody | AG Vulcan, Stettin | November 1930 | August 12, 1931 | February 1933 | Sunk by Naval Mines in the Gulf of Finland, December 10, 1941. | |
| Z44 Friedrich Eckholdt | AG Vulcan, Stettin | November 1930 | August 22, 1931 | February 1933 | December 1944 | Scrapped in Konigsberg, 1947. |
| Z45 Erich Giese | AG Vulcan, Stettin | January 1931 | November 30, 1931 | April 1933 | Sunk by British destroyers during the Battle of Alesund, April 16, 1942. | |
| Z46 Georg Thiele | AG Vulcan, Stettin | January 1931 | November 28, 1931 | May 1933 | December 1944 | Scrapped in Danzig, 1946. |
Type 1930A class Destroyer (1934-1935)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 3,165 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 6x Wagner boilers
Range: 1,825 nautical miles
Speed: 38.5 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
- 5 x 5-inch/42 caliber C/22 main guns
- 4 x 37mm/80 caliber SK C/30 AA guns (2x2)
- 6 x 20mm/65 caliber C/30 AA guns
- 10 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4) + 16 extra torpedoes
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 18 Depth Charges
- 60 Naval Mines
- Ordered: 14
- Lost: 7 (5 to enemy action, 2 to friendly fire)
- In service: 1934-1945
- Post-war fates: 7 Scrapped
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Type 1934 class Destroyer (1936-1937)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 3,515 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 6x Wagner boilers
Range: 3,500 nautical miles
Speed: 38.5 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
- 5 x 5-inch/42 caliber C/22 main guns
- 4 x 37mm/80 caliber SK C/30 AA guns (2x2)
- 6 x 20mm/65 caliber C/30 AA guns
- 10 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4) + 16 extra torpedoes
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 18 Depth Charges
- 60 Naval Mines
- Ordered: 12
- Lost: 8 (7 to enemy action, 1 scuttled)
- Other users: 1 Japan (as Patrol Boat No. 102, (ex-Z-66 Hans Lüdemann), 1942-1947)
- In service: 1936-1950
- Post-war fates: 4 Scrapped
Type 1935 class Destroyers (1938)
Specifications (Following 1940 refit)
Weight: 3,543 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 6x Wagner boilers
Range: 2,500 nautical miles
Speed: 36 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
- 4 x 149mm/48 caliber Tbts KC/35 main guns
- 4 x 37mm/80 caliber SK C/30 AA guns (2x2)
- 6 x 20mm/65 caliber C/30 AA guns
- 10 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 18 Depth Charges
- 60 Naval Mines
- Ordered: 12 originally, but 10 reordered as Type-1934A
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Z73 Kurt Hetze | AG Weser, Bremen | November 1935 | December 14, 1936 | September 1937 | May 1945 | Scrapped in Danzig, 1950 |
| Z74 Kurt Grasshoff | AG Weser, Bremen | January 1936 | March 7, 1937 | October 1937 | May 1945 | Scrapped in Stettin, 1950. |
Type 1934A class Destroyer (1937-1943)
Specifications (As built)
Weight: 3,562 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 6x Wagner boilers
Range: 3,500 nautical miles
Speed: 36 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar
Armament:
- 5 x 5-inch/42 caliber C/22 main guns
- 4 x 37mm/80 caliber SK C/30 AA guns (2x2)
- 6 x 20mm/65 caliber C/38 AA guns
- 10 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 30 Depth Charges
- 60 Naval Mines
- Ordered: 10 originally 1935 class, + 8 additional ships + 16 wartime Type 1934A Mob subclass
- Lost: 10 (7 to enemy action, 2 to naval mines in the Baltic, and 1 to a boiler explosion (Z-78 Hermann Detzner, May 6th, 1944 in Wilhelmshaven.)
- In service: 1937-1958
- Post-war fates: 22 Scrapped, 2 sunk in weapons tests in 1959.
Type 1938 class Destroyer (1941-1944)
Specifications (As built)
Weight: 3,562 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 2x Deschimag geared steam turbines, 6x Wagner boilers
Range: 3,500 nautical miles
Speed: 37 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar, FuMO 21 search radar
Armament:
- 6 x 5-inch/42 caliber K/38 main guns (3x2)
- 6 x 37mm/69 caliber Flak M/41 AA guns (3x2)
- 6 x 20mm/65 caliber C/38 AA guns (3x2)
- 10 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 30 Depth Charges
- 60 Naval Mines
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Z93 Kurt Schlegel | AG Weser, Bremen | October 1938 | November 12, 1940 | November 1941 | May 1955 | Sold to Argentina (Piedra Beuna), June 1955. |
| Z94 Adolf von Trotha | AG Weser, Bremen | October 1938 | December 17, 1940 | November 1941 | July 1959 | Sold for scrap, 1961. |
| Z95 Walther Schwieger | AG Weser, Bremen | February 1939 | March 30, 1940 | Sunk by British bombers near Cuxhaven, July 5, 1941. BU 1947-1948. | ||
| Z96 Otto von Stetten | AG Vulcan, Stettin | February 1939 | April 2, 1940 | September 1941 | Sunk during the Battle of the North Sea, September 1942. | |
| Z97 Hermann von Strantz | AG Vulcan, Stettin | March 1939 | July 9, 1940 | January 1942 | July 1955 | Sold to Argentina (Mendoza), June 1955. |
| Z98 Walther Kempf | AG Vulcan, Stettin | January 1939 | April 14, 1940 | January 1942 | August 1959 | Sold for scrap, 1961. |
Type 1940 Destroyer (1943)
Specifications (As built)
Weight: 2,720 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 6x 2-stroke double action MAN diesel engines
Range: 5,500 nautical miles
Speed: 36 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar, FuMO 24 search radar, FuMB 3 "Bali" ECM suite
Armament:
- 6 x 5-inch/42 caliber C/22 main guns
- 8 x 37mm/69 caliber Flak M/41 AA guns (4x2)
- 14 x 20mm/65 caliber C/38 AA guns (3x4)
- 10 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4) + 15 spare torpedoes
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 30 Depth Charges
Ship | Builder | Laid Down | Launched | Commissioned | Decommissioned | Fate |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Z99 Günther Prien | AG Vulcan, Stettin | May 1941 | October 2, 1942 | September 11, 1943 | 1971 | Converted into test ship (F-607), 1959-1960. BU 1974. |
Type 1941 class Destroyer (1944-1949)
Specifications (As built)
Weight: 3,703 long tons fully loaded
Propulsion: 8x 2-stroke double action MAN diesel engines
Range: 6,800 nautical miles
Speed: 37.5 knots
Sensors: GHG Hydrophone, S-Gerät Sonar, FuMO 24 and 2x FuMO 231 search radars, FuMB 3 "Bali", FuMB 4 "Sumatra" ECM suites
Armament:
- 6 x 5-inch/42 caliber K/38 main guns (3x2)
- 6 x 37mm/69 caliber Flak M/41 AA guns (3x2)
- 6 x 20mm/65 caliber C/38 AA guns (3x2)
- 10 x 533mm torpedo tubes (2x4)
- 2 Depth Charge Racks + 30 Depth Charges
- 60 Naval Mines
- Completed: 11 out of 14 planned
- In service: 1944-1969
- Modifications: 1941A conversions (all, 1951-1953), 6 MfM modernizations (1958-1960)
- Fates: All scrapped
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Seems the Germans did not pump out large numbers of destroyers of a single type.
I wanted to pop in and pay my compliments to you fellows for keeping the T-191 flame alight on Alternate History.com; I especially wished to pay my compliments to the various graphics created for this thread (which are rather good, as I'm sure you know!) and also ask if any contributor had illustrated an aircraft of the Austro-Hungarian air troops combining the 'Balkan Cross' with a tail bar in the red-white-red/green colours of the Austro-Hungarian flag? (On which the top stripe is solid red and the bottom half red, half green).
Thank You for your efforts and thank you for your consideration!
Thank You for your efforts and thank you for your consideration!