The Union Forever: A TL

[FleetMac]

3) What projects did the French have with automatic weapons?

Behold; while mostly known as the crappiest machine gun of WWI in OTL, the line of development for this weapon dates back to 1903 (and given a little polishing, it apparently wasn't as bad as reported by the Doughboys in 1918). Assuming Nappy the 4th. is anything like his 19th century forebear (which, given how hyped he is for the Centennial and how much military hardware he shows off at same, seems somewhat true), it's not that much of a stretch to see him rubber-stamping a project like that. Add in self-loading infantry rifles and perhaps even SMGs (although that one would be a stretch in time-frame), and one could make the case for somewhat modern infantry arms in TTL's Great War.

To be fair, it's not like France would have a monopoly on such weapons as the war progressed (e.g. Russia's Avtomat Federov, Prussian Schnellfeuer C96's, US 1907 Winchester carbines, etc.)

4) Cataphracts or Cats for sort will be featured in the next couple of updates. Currently the U.S. Army has not had much use for them.

True enough. Which, assuming another major war is looming after the turn of the century, wouldn't bode well for the US Army if they get involved.

5) Satellites will be coming in future. I don't see any reason why other tech like GPS, Dish Network-type TV, long-range tactical communications, and cell phones would be behind OTL. In fact some of these will appear sooner than they did in OTL.

I guess that's plausible. My concern, again, is the lack of small transistors and other sundry parts which were developed largely as a result of OTL's World War Two research; this is part of the reason why missile tech would be so behind. Without that being the case ITTL, what satellites do come around would be somewhat bulkier (at least, at first).

BTW, great update!

 

[Mac Gregor]

The People of the Union Forever
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Rutherford B. Hayes (1822-1886)​

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Born in 1822 in the town of Delaware, Ohio, Rutherford B. Hayes graduated from Harvard Law School in 1845. Hayes practiced law in Cincinnati and was elected city solicitor in 1859. At the outbreak of the Civil War, Hayes joined the Union Army as an officer. Hayes would serve with distinction throughout the conflict and would be decorated for bravery at the Battle of Warrenton in August, 1862 where he was severely wounded in the left leg causing the limb to be amputated below the knee. Despite his wounds Hayes continued to serve and rose to the rank of brevet brigadier general by the end of the war. Following the war, Hayes pursued a political career serving as lieutenant governor of Ohio and later as a congressman for the Republican Party. The capstone of Hayes political career was serving as Secretary of State for President Arthur Boreman from 1883-1885. Hayes would die one year later at the age of 64 at his Ohio home. ​

Sitting Bull (c. 1831-1919) ​

Born around 1831 in what was then the Dakota Territory, Sitting Bull led several Sioux war parties against federal troops during the Dakota War of 1862. Over the next two decades Sitting Bull would participate in several Indian uprisings throughout what is today Montana, Wyoming, and North and South Dakota. In 1887, Sitting Bull and his band were forced onto a reservation in western North Dakota. There, Sitting Bull converted to Christianity and sought to live peacefully with whites. Unhappy with the poor conditions on the reservation, Sitting Bull would move his family and around 75 of his followers to the newly admitted State of Sequoyah in 1899. In the later years of his life in Sequoyah, Sitting Bull became an active member in Native American society and praised the largely peaceful coexistence of whites and Indians in the state. At the outbreak of the Great War in 1907, the 76 year old Sitting Bull offered to raise and lead a contingent of Indian scouts for service overseas. The U.S. Army politely refused his offer. Sitting Bull’s adopted son Henry Oscar One Bull would later become governor of Sequoyah in 1928. Sitting Bull died in 1919 at the age of 88 surrounded by his family. ​

 

[Origins]

Sitting Bull (c. 1831-1919) ​

Born around 1831 in what was then the Dakota Territory, Sitting Bull led several Sioux war parties against federal troops during the Dakota War of 1862. Over the next two decades Sitting Bull would participate in several Indian uprisings throughout what is today Montana, Wyoming, and North and South Dakota. In 1887, Sitting Bull and his band were forced onto a reservation in western North Dakota. There, Sitting Bull converted to Christianity and sought to live peacefully with whites. Unhappy with the poor conditions on the reservation, Sitting Bull would move his family and around 75 of his followers to the newly admitted State of Sequoyah in 1899. In the later years of his life in Sequoyah, Sitting Bull became an active member in Native American society and praised the largely peaceful coexistence of whites and Indians in the state. At the outbreak of the Great War in 1907, the 76 year old Sitting Bull offered to raise and lead a contingent of Indian scouts for service overseas. The U.S. Army politely refused his offer. Sitting Bull’s adopted son Henry Oscar One Bull would later become governor of Sequoyah in 1928. Sitting Bull died in 1919 at the age of 88 surrounded by his family. ​

Nice to see a happy ending for Sitting Bull.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Nice to see a happy ending for Sitting Bull.

I think so too.

 

[Darth_Kiryan]

Sitting Bull (c. 1831-1919) ​

Born around 1831 in what was then the Dakota Territory, Sitting Bull led several Sioux war parties against federal troops during the Dakota War of 1862. Over the next two decades Sitting Bull would participate in several Indian uprisings throughout what is today Montana, Wyoming, and North and South Dakota. In 1887, Sitting Bull and his band were forced onto a reservation in western North Dakota. There, Sitting Bull converted to Christianity and sought to live peacefully with whites. Unhappy with the poor conditions on the reservation, Sitting Bull would move his family and around 75 of his followers to the newly admitted State of Sequoyah in 1899. In the later years of his life in Sequoyah, Sitting Bull became an active member in Native American society and praised the largely peaceful coexistence of whites and Indians in the state. At the outbreak of the Great War in 1907, the 76 year old Sitting Bull offered to raise and lead a contingent of Indian scouts for service overseas. The U.S. Army politely refused his offer. Sitting Bull’s adopted son Henry Oscar One Bull would later become governor of Sequoyah in 1928. Sitting Bull died in 1919 at the age of 88 surrounded by his family. ​

There are no words, i think, which can express the beauty of this one post. This is the ending that this man deserved.

 

[Mac Gregor]

The People of the Union Forever​

Otto von Bismarck (1815-1889)

Born into a proud Junker family in 1815, Otto von Bismarck originally pursued a career in law before entering politics. Bismarck became the 9th Prime Minister of Prussia in 1862 after being appointed by King Wilhelm I. During his tenure as prime minister, Bismarck orchestrated the nations’ victories over Denmark and Austria in the 1860s paving the way for the foundation of the North German Confederation. Although Bismarck initially wished to form an alliance with Austria following the war, the rise of Francophile Emperor Maximilian to the Austrian throne in 1866 dashed those hopes. In 1872, Bismarck brought Prussia to the brink of war after trying to cement Prussian influence over southern Germany. The strength of the new Franco-Austrian alliance however forced Bismarck to back down. After this embarrassing reversal, Bismarck was removed from office by the king. In retirement, Bismarck became bitter in regards to his fall from power even criticizing the king in his memoires. Bismarck died of a heart attack in 1889.

John Wilkes Booth (1838-1914)

John Wilkes Booth was born in 1838 in Harford County, Maryland to English immigrant parents. Booth followed in the footsteps of his father and became an actor with a stage debut at Baltimore’s Holliday Street Theater in 1855. Over the years, Booth became one of the most celebrated actors in America. Although a noted Southern sympathizer, Booth continued to perform in several Northern cities over the course of the Civil War. After the war, Booth’s star continued to rise with him making several tours abroad and even performing for Emperor Napoleon IV in Paris in 1878. As Booth aged and his good looks began to fade his acting career slowed which coupled with several failed business dealings left him almost penniless. Booth’s fortune improved somewhat with the advent of motion pictures where, despite his age, his animated style of acting won him several roles in silent films. In one of his last roles, the impoverished Booth played an elderly Abraham Lincoln in the 1912 movie Abe Lincoln’s Final Years despite reports that he loathed the former president. Booth died of lung cancer in 1914 at the age of 76.

 

[Mac Gregor]

There are no words, i think, which can express the beauty of this one post. This is the ending that this man deserved.

glad you liked it.

 

[Some Bloke]

I like the historical injoke at the end of the last post

 

[Mac Gregor]

Hey everyone,

I have been thinking about doing some small updates on certain nations in TUF that haven't gotten a lot of attention in the TL (Spain, Portugal, Canada, etc.) Feel free to submit any suggestions so long as they don't contradict anything that has already been written in the TL.

Cheers!

 

[metastasis_d]

Hey everyone,

I have been thinking about doing some small updates on certain nations in TUF that haven't gotten a lot of attention in the TL (Spain, Portugal, Canada, etc.) Feel free to submit any suggestions so long as they don't contradict anything that has already been written in the TL.

Cheers!

Tuva!
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[atomicturist]

It's probably the best atl ever!
But it could use another world war

 

[Mac Gregor]

It's probably the best atl ever!
But it could use another world war

Wow, thanks a lot and welcome to the site!

 

[Mac Gregor]

Tuva!
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Was Tuva ever its own nation?

 

[Lalli]

Was Tuva ever its own nation?

Not ITTL. In OTL Tuva of Region formed after Russian revolution and it was indepent from 1920's until end of WW2. After this Tuva has been part of Russia. Nowadays it is autonomous republic.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Retcon

Hey Ya'll,

I forgot to add in the 1941-1943 update that in 1941 Egypt shakes off British control. Here is the updated map from 1950. As such, Egypt will be the first TUF Country Profile. Should be posted in the next day or two. Any thoughts on what Egypt should look like? Should it be a Kingdom, Sultanate, or Republic?

 

[SilverSwimmer]

Hey Ya'll,

I forgot to add in the 1941-1943 update that in 1941 Egypt shakes off British control. Here is the updated map from 1950. As such, Egypt will be the first TUF Country Profile. Should be posted in the next day or two. Any thoughts on what Egypt should look like? Should it be a Kingdom, Sultanate, or Republic?

How does Egypt break free? If peacefully, I dont know if the UK would allow a Sultanate really. Maybe a Kingdom if the Head of State is the British monarch or tied to it somehow, but if they throw off the British, like in India, maybe a Sultanate could occur. On both accounts I think a Republic is most likely.

 

[Mac Gregor]

How does Egypt break free? If peacefully, I dont know if the UK would allow a Sultanate really. Maybe a Kingdom if the Head of State is the British monarch or tied to it somehow, but if they throw off the British, like in India, maybe a Sultanate could occur. On both accounts I think a Republic is most likely.

It was mostly a peaceful seperation, sort of like what Egypt did in OTL in 1922. The Suez canal is still controled by the UK. The British Monarch will not be the head of state of Egypt.

 

[EnglishCanuck]

In a peaceful seperation Egypt would probably become a republic.

 

[Mac Gregor]

Country Profile​

Egypt​

Flag of the Republic of Egypt​

Name: Republic of Egypt
Capital: Cairo
Official Language: Arabic
Demonym: Egyptian
Government: Presidential Republic
Establishment: Independence from France (October 12, 1911), End of British Rule (March 29, 1941)
Currency: Egyptian Dollar

A Brief History of Modern Egypt as of 1950:

For hundreds of years Egypt was ruled as an Ottoman province with varying degrees of autonomy until the forces of Napoleon IV conquered it in 1883. During the Great War, the United Kingdom invaded the French colony in January of 1910 under General Baden-Powell primarily in order to gain control of the Suez Canal. At the end of the war, the Treaty of Brussels officially awarded Egypt to Britain as a protectorate. For thirty years, Britain exercised suzerainty over Egypt while leaving domestic affairs in the hands of the Cairo based Council of Egypt. Over the years, many Egyptians began to resent their British “protectors” and hungered to take matters in their own hands. On March 29, 1941 Mahmoud Orabi Pasha, Chairman of the Council of Egypt, rather suddenly declared that Egypt was “an independent republic, free from any allegiance to or influence of the government of the United Kingdom.” Caught off guard by the abrupt declaration, the British government was at first unsure how to respond. When British Prime Minister Isaac Pickering was informed by the Foreign Secretary that Egypt had declared itself a republic, Pickering is reported to have remarked “well, so they have.” In a smart move, Orabi Pasha and his collaborators did not move against the British forces guarding the Suez Canal, but merely seized control of local radio stations, bought the loyalty of the Cairo police, and ran up the new republican flag. After nearly a week of uncertainty, the British government acknowledged the new Egyptian government on the conditions that the United Kingdom would remain in control of the canal, and that British ships could use the naval base at Alexandria. In the years following independence, the new nation adopted a constitution which provided for a unicameral parliament and a strong executive with Orabi Pasha serving as Egypt’s first president.

 

[EnglishCanuck]

Good update