The Union Forever: A TL

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Mac Gregor

FleetMac said:
Outstanding work putting the states together, MacGregor! Just curious, what would you say are the top 10 biggest cities by this point in terms of population? I'm guessing NYC would still be up there, but do any others stand out?
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The 10 biggest cities in terms of population in 1940 for TUF are most likely the same as OTL.

1. New York City
2. Chicago
3. Philidelphia
4. Detroit
5. Los Angeles
6. Cleveland
7. Baltimore
8. St. Louis
9. Boston
10. Pittsburgh

The main differences from OTL would be that Los Angeles is probably 1 or 2 notches down the totem pole due to the movie industry being centered in San Francisco. Also, Atlanta is considerable more developed having not been burned during the Civil War but due to its small city limits won’t be on the top ten.
 
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naraht

Mac Gregor said:
Took me a minute too. Fixed it.
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Yup.
When you get done with this TL, maybe you'll see if you can make a TL where Pittsburg, Kansas is one of the largest 10 cities in the US. Though given its relative remoteness with access to both food and the coal mines near the town, maybe a post WWIII TL might be possible.
 

jlckansas

Speaking as a former resident from just outside of Pittsburg Kansas, If the East West Rail lines from St. Louis to Texas wanted to avoid the Ozarks more Pittsburg would be the Place to Turn to the South to avoid the Cookson Hills in Eastern Seqouya and head to Tulsa. This would be a case of a postwar city that would boom with it being on the edge of numerous resources and being between major metroplitan centers.
 
FleetMac

FleetMac

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Good stuff with the map, glad to see that error got fixed ;) BTW, I forgot to ask, what's with the weird border between Idaho and Montana? Maybe I missed something.
 

Mac Gregor

FleetMac said:
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Good stuff with the map, glad to see that error got fixed ;) BTW, I forgot to ask, what's with the weird border between Idaho and Montana? Maybe I missed something.
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Lycaon pictus said:
It looks like it's based on the old Washington Territory border.
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Thanks. I never mentioned this before but the eastern border of the state of Idaho in the TL is the old Washington Territory border which runs down the continental divide. I think having the border here makes more sense than its OTL position.

Also, if you look carefully the borders for Nevada are different too with Arizona retaining all of its Mojave territory. Also the eastern border of Nevada is not as far east as OTL making Utah slightly larger. I didn't know this before doing research but Nevada increased in size considerable after joining the Union. I think it might be the only state which grew in size after having joined the Union.

I hopefully will have a proper update soon. Cheers!
 
metastasis_d

metastasis_d

Mac Gregor said:
different too with Arizona retaining all of its Mojave territory. Also the eastern border of Nevada is not as far east as OTL making Utah slightly larger. I didn't know this before doing research but Nevada increased in size considerable after joining the Union. I think it might be the only state which grew in size after having joined the Union.

I hopefully will have a proper update soon. Cheers!
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Wow, I was thinking for some reason that Utah was simply taking an extra hunk of Wyoming. Glad you mentioned this; I've been trying to edit a UCS map for you with the newer borders. I figured on the Idaho/Montana border; now I know why Wyoming looks so much smaller in scale to the recent map!
 

naraht

Mac Gregor said:
Also, if you look carefully the borders for Nevada are different too with Arizona retaining all of its Mojave territory. Also the eastern border of Nevada is not as far east as OTL making Utah slightly larger. I didn't know this before doing research but Nevada increased in size considerable after joining the Union. I think it might be the only state which grew in size after having joined the Union.
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No, Missouri did as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Platte_Purchase
 

Mac Gregor

Mac Gregor said:
The 10 biggest cities in terms of population in 1940 for TUF are most likely the same as OTL.

1. New York City
2. Chicago
3. Philidelphia
4. Detroit
5. Los Angeles
6. Cleveland
7. Baltimore
8. St. Louis
9. Boston
10. Pittsburgh

The main differences from OTL would be that Los Angeles is probably 1 or 2 notches down the totem pole due to the movie industry being centered in San Francisco. Also, Atlanta is considerable more developed having not been burned during the Civil War but due to its small city limits won’t be on the top ten.
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On second thought my list is wrong. I forgot about the Caribbean states. Here is the revised list.

1. New York City
2. Chicago
3. Philidelphia
4. Detroit
5. Los Angeles
6. Havana
7. Santo Domingo
8. Cleveland
9. Baltimore
10. St. Louis
 

Mac Gregor

Hey everybody, I know its been awhile but I am working on the next update (1944-1947: Domestic Affairs) and should have it done either tomorrow or Thursday. Cheers!
 
FleetMac

FleetMac

I'll be looking forward to the new update, maybe we'll get to see what things have been going on state-side WRT the Civil Rights movement, or any new political parties springing up :)
 
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