The Sun, The Stars and The Sickle: Alt-WWII and a Tripolar Postwar World

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Can Soviet sells Northern Sakhalin to Japan for exchanging weapons from allies nations? It’s small island, the People of Soviet nation will not care right?

Some Japanese hardliners would just love this scenario, and have actually proposed offering Stalin such a deal, although talk about "liberation of the remainder of Karafuto from Communist oppression" has not progressed past a few discussions in the Diet. Others don't want to do anything to help the Communists, period.

The other parts of the problem is that Stalin will not want to give up Sakhalin at all, and he doesn't want Nissan trucks and Arisakas, especially when he's getting tons and tons of Lend-Lease aid from the USA, Britain and Canada.

So why do in alternate history Nazis end up dominating the world? Because I don't think that storyline will be likely here since WW2 for Germany can be summed in one image.
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Also I fully expected the invasion of France to be repelled, how much worse for Germany was it than OTL?

Right now, the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union is going better than in OTL for a few reasons, but it's certainly not a foregone conclusion. Stalin is finally starting to learn some lessons, and he's going to put everything he's got into defending Moscow. There's a lot of people and propaganda value in defending the city, and a huge part of its value lies in the fact that the Russian railway network radiates from Moscow and defending the rest of European Russia will be much harder to defend without it?

Why is Hitler having more success than in OTL?

-Barbarossa started a few weeks earlier

-While the misadventure in Norway cost him 20 000 men, at its peak in OTL, occupying Norway took nearly half a million men.

-No Greek, Balkan or North African misadventures to distract Hitler either. More men and equipment available to throw at the Reds.

However, Hitler has a few more problems. The Swedes are refusing to sell him iron ore. The Finns are refusing to leave the borders of Finland. Neither want to draw the ire of the the Allies, who actually have a Navy (and Daihatsu class landing craft) and could far more easily and successfully occupy them. The remaining Scandinavian nation, Norway, is a full-fledged Allied nation TTL. The Norwegian Army is the beneficiary of much Allied equipment and training, the Royal Norwegian Navy is active in patrolling the North Sea and Arctic Ocean and escorting convoys, and the Royal Norwegian Air Force is growing in size and strength, bolstered by a nascent instructors' corps that has served in "Viking Squadrons" in Britain.

There also hasn't been any time to build sub pens, and the surface navy has been destroyed outside of the Baltic, so there is little the Kriegsmarine can do to stop the convoys that are now flowing through to Arkhangelsk. Even attacking the convoys by air is a risky affair, as they are almost always covered by a carrier, and the practice of leasing an American through-deck aircraft ferry (T-ACV) and using it as a makeshift "escort carrier" has entered the testing phases as well.


As for the invasion of France, casualties were about 30-40% greater and the invasion took twice as long as OTL. However, the country is much harder to manage as there is no collaborationist Vichy regime. In fact, France never surrendered at all; the government is just temporarily carrying on the fight from Algiers. From Algiers, they are also heavily involved in managing and supplying the Resistance- small boats attempt to deliver weapons, maps and other aid whenever possible.

Marshal Petain is regularly dragged out and humiliated in various ways, such as being made to stand in the rain with no seat, canopy or umbrella to watch a German military parade through the Arc de Triomphe, but such actions only serve to inflame the population of France further.
 
They could opt for a siege, starving out the enemy, along with precision bombing and artillery bombardment.

That is the likeliest course of action. The Allied artillery and air forces are superior to the National Army's, and the Allies, above all, need time- for the IJA to release more troops to China, and for the Americans and various British and Imperial troops to make it from the Dominions and establish themselves in China.



It probably helps that Count Terauchi himself is the genial sort, even by Western standards.

That is quite true! Mac can turn up the charm as well, and unlike many of his contemporaries, does not hold deeply-seated racist views.

Much is riding on Count Terauchi, as the favoured son of the Imperial Palace and the General Staff. The rewards are great too- a Marshal's badge, an Imperial appointment to the title of Marquess or Prince (both of which are entitled to a seat in the House of Peers for life) or the candidacy for Prime Minister, should he execute his mission well. Among the public of the Western Allies, "The Laughing Count" is one of few Japanese commanders who is widely recognized.
 
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Marshal Petain is regularly dragged out and humiliated in various ways, such as being made to stand in the rain with no seat, canopy or umbrella to watch a German military parade through the Arc de Triomphe, but such actions only serve to inflame the population of France further.

I wouldn't be surprised if Paris eventually rose up as a whole, break the Nazis' hostages out, and then get them out of the city. The Nazis would probably respond with overwhelming force...which wouldn't do shit except further fan the flames of French resistance.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Paris eventually rose up as a whole, break the Nazis' hostages out, and then get them out of the city. The Nazis would probably respond with overwhelming force...which wouldn't do shit except further fan the flames of French resistance.

The French position is also helped by the fact that Allied intelligence and espionage is beyond comparison with the shambolic Nazi operation- which still hasn't realized that its French network has already been thouroughly compromised. As it turns out, National Socialist ideologues aren't as good at their jobs as MI5 spymasters, and the best and most experienced Polish and Norwegian spies as well.

For the Nazis in France, the situation is quite similar to OTL and TTL Poland- a country that refuses to see itself as defeated, full of people that absolutely despise them and will do anything to be rid of them. It's a dangerous environment for collaborators as well, so the Nazi occupiers are unable to find themselves any reliable degree of local support, and most of whom they think are on their payroll are actually spies.

Even the plundered goods made by forced labourers are full of nasty surprises- wine contaminated with laxatives, bolts with heads designed to shear off at the slightest provocation, and FlaK shells that periodically explode in gun breeches...
 
So why do in alternate history Nazis end up dominating the world? Because I don't think that storyline will be likely here since WW2 for Germany can be summed in one image.
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Also I fully expected the invasion of France to be repelled, how much worse for Germany was it than OTL?
Now where do I recognize that from???
 
With no Navy to protect, I believe Danmark is the fastest road to Berlin. Germany might not lose so much land to Soviet and Poland like otl.
 
They call it’s “world war II”, but all I can see is “Germany vs the world”, “Endsieg in 1943”.

It might very well end earlier than OTL's WWII, but there's still a lot of work that must be done. For the time being, most of Europe is in Nazi clutches, and Moscow is now threatened. In China, Chiang Kai-Shek is far from defeated, and the nascent Union of China has much to do yet, lest it be known as just another warlord clique.

On the matter of the UoC, it has established Beijing as its capital.

Not "Germany vs the world", because future generations in this world will not know what a "germany" is, given how things go.

Without giving away too much, there won't be a fully-executed Morgenthau Plan TTL, but it won't be a unified Germany right out of the gate either. Few will think "Let's make it easier this time, Versailles was far too hard on them".

Yeah, IIRC, there's going to be a divided Germany ala OTL, based on snippets from TTL's (future) Cold War.

Indeed it will be, although how she is divided will be established later, depending how the Allies negotiate amongst themselves and when they reach their objectives. The Tunis Conference, now scheduled for 1942, will be where discussions on this matter begin.

With no Navy to protect, I believe Danmark is the fastest road to Berlin. Germany might not lose so much land to Soviet and Poland like otl.

The issue with Denmark is that while Nazi Germany no longer has much of a surface navy, they still have a U-Boat arm. Even earlier than OTL, Dönitz the submarine chief is in charge of the whole Kriegsmarine.

Most Allied capital ship losses or severe damage have been to U-Boats- HM Ships Royal Oak and Furious were sunk by U-Boats in 1939, USS Saratoga was torpedoed by U-94.

At the inquiry into HMS Swiftsure's sinking, evidence has hinted that a U-Boat may have been involved as well- survivor testimony indicated an additional explosion and flooding aft of where the destroyer torpedoes hit, at a later time and in a section of the ship that was not already on fire.*

The U-Boat arm is also quite defencively-oriented TTL-keeping Allied ships out of the Baltic is a big part of their mission- and even with such a crushing advantage, the Allies are loath to treat their capital ships as expendable resources. That the eastern side of the Skagerrak is littered with minefields- and this is on top of the anti-shipping aircraft on top of the U-Boat presence doesn't help. Then there's the whole matter of the Tirpitz, nearly complete and about to undergo trials- and, most importantly, spared the axe by Hitler.

If the Allies were to land in Germany any time soon, the overwhelming German presence would certainly repulse them. There is a lot more softening up that must be done before such an operation is practicable.

Halo: Reach.

My favourite entry in the series! Many good times were had, especially couch co-op on the campaign.

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*Also, it is worth noting that the Inquiry cleared Admiral Tovey of any wrongdoing. Captain Russell was not charged, but his seagoing career was ended, and he would sail a desk until retirement shortly after the war's end.
 
House of Tojo
Headquarters of the IJA 1st China Expeditionary Army

Tsingtao, Kwantung Territory, Empire of Japan

October 16th, 1941

9:29 AM


GENERAL Count Hisaichi Terauchi, commanding officer of the 1st China Expeditionary Army, was dreading the impending meeting with his counterpart, General Hideki Tojo, commanding officer of the Kwantung Army, to the north. Tojo had been especially cagey since the handover of Beijing to the nascent Union of China. He regarded it as his great personal victory undone, and that to have him present at the ceremony to be formally relieved of command by Wu Peifu was a personal insult.

Count Terauchi, by contrast, enjoyed a surprisingly cordial relationship with his British and American counterparts, Generals Claude Auchinleck and Douglas MacArthur. Getting along with Auchinleck was all but a given, but MacArthur, contrary to the stereotypes of Americans long feared, did not condescend to him, and turned out to be very well spoken and knowledgeable, despite his brash image. At their first meeting, Terauchi presented MacArthur with a wakizashi sword dating from the Meiji period, which MacArthur was quite taken with. Terauchi's geniality and jocularity were much appreciated by his counterparts, even if many of his quips required translation. MacArthur's gift to Terauchi was a tetsukabuto (Samurai helmet) purchased or taken from Japan during Commodore Perry's expedition. The helmet received pride of place on Terauchi's desk.


Count Terauchi checked his watch. One minute. Tojo was never late.

Tojo was something of a complicated figure. Of almost shockingly average intelligence, he overcame obstacles with sheer force of will and hard work. Obsessed with etiquette, but fiercely combative and utterly humourless. He would one day slap a junior officer in the face for disappointing him in the smallest way, and the next day, offer to pay off one of the officer's debts without demanding interest. On a larger scale, Tojo was also a moderate radical- he strongly believed in the idea of a totalitarian, insular "national defence State", but such an outcome was an impossibility in today's Japan.

The Navy wielded incredible power, and depended on international trade and resources, not only to sustain itself, but so Japan could afford the Fleet in the first place. The revived alliance with Britain secured the Navy its oil, and they would do anything to prevent themselves from being cut off. By pursuing more moderate policies in Manchukuo, the fledgling state became a cash cow for Japan, producing much of the ore and coal needed for not only ships, but for goods made for export, and the Maru-suffixed ships that carried them, which became the lifeline for the island nation. The millions of Japanese lifted from poverty, and the hundreds of thousands of newly-wealthy taxpayers which swelled the nation's treasury served to further galvanize the national policy as it was.

As Tojo, Sugiyama, and others like them represented the "Control" faction of their movement, which focused on working within the existing political system, they were able to hide far better than those that encouraged an overthrow of the government- such radicals were purged between 1932 and 1934, and the Kempeitai were always on guard for the remnants. That Tojo and Sugiyama were highly competent protected them further.

Tojo himself hated the changes he saw. He regarded the British as shameless opportunists and the Americans as weak, decadent, money-obsessed, and even more shamelessly opportunistic. He saw Japanese society infiltrated by the same love of money that he saw on his trip to America in 1922. He saw the Army becoming, in his view, weaker and more appearance-obsessed- a new breed of officers with hair worn long under their expensive, privately-purchased forage caps. The practice of slapping subordinates was banned, but the Army list of behavioural infractions grew by the year.

Now Tojo, humiliated by having to hand Beijing back to the Chinese, on top of the humiliation of being unable to reach a deal with Emperor Puyi regarding the deployment of Manchukuo Imperial Army troops, was hungry for a victory that could not be undermined.

Tojo's health had recovered somewhat in the last few months; he put on weight and shed his cough, but appeared at the meeting in ankle boots and loose trousers, as painful swelling in his legs made putting on the knee-high boots and tight breeches prescribed for Type 1 Service Dress impossible. He limped slightly, but still carried about him a certain presence.

Tojo requested a private meeting with Count Terauchi, with whom he had an increasingly tense relationship, ostensibly to discuss battle plans, but with Tojo's temperment worse than ever, it was all but assured the discussion would deviate.

At precisely nine-thirty, the meeting commenced. Tojo walked in, Count Terauchi arose from his desk and the two saluted each other.

"Good morning, General Tojo" said Terauchi, smiling.

Tojo, with his typical dour expression on his face, said nothing for a moment, and then pointed at the helmet on Terauchi's desk. "A present from your new American friend, I presume?" he said curtly.

"You don't recognize it?" asked Terauchi, with his usual jocularity "It's Prince Morimasa Nashimoto's sun hat! I've been looking for it for weeks!"

Tojo said nothing and looked even more annoyed than usual, if such a thing was even possible.

"Ah, right" said Terauchi. "I forgot, no sense of humour. Anyway, what is it you wanted to come here to discuss? You were no doubt made aware of the progress that has been made in besieging Nanking"

"What progress?" snapped Tojo. "For two months, the weak-willed British and Americans have sat outside Nanking. Aerial bombardments have thus been ineffectual. We shame ourselves further with inaction. We cannot cede the initiative to Chiang. Action must be taken"

Terauchi's smile faded completely. "And what sort of 'action' are you proposing? Storming the city will do no good, it is full of troops and tanks, and if threatened at all, Chiang will flee, most likely to Chongqing"

"Exactly" said Tojo, matter-of-factly. "Chiang will flee to Chongqing, so we must start down the road toward his redoubt. I propose an assault on Huchow before Chiang can reinforce the city"

Terauchi's concern grew. "And how, exactly, do you propose to do that?"

"We do not all have the luxury of connections as powerful as yours" said Tojo, with barely disguised contempt "But I will utilize the resources of the Kwantung Army to their utmost effectiveness, and anything that can be spared while the American leadership persists in this nonsen-"

Terauchi, now visibly angry, cut Tojo off. "Are you finished with these bizarre political rants? Why are you asking me this? You, of all people, understand that there is a chain of command! Ask the general staff for more aircraft and guns. Before you do, you should know that reconnaissance has discovered more troop concentrations in Kunming, so you won't get them. I fail to see the point of this; I'm sure Hsinking isn't so dull that you have to come down here to find out what you already know"

"I...I abhor politics!" sputtered an enraged Tojo.

"Oh, please!" said an incredulous Terauchi, his smile returning. "You, of all people! You live for politics! Even if I was as stupid as you seem to think I am, I still wouldn't believe that! Tojo, there isn't one person in the Army that isn't aware of your opinions and ambitions- and don't even get me started on that Sugiyama!"

Tojo, his face red with fury, and fists beginning to clench, said "Clearly, I am wasting my time and yours here. I have no more time to waste. Good day, General Count Terauchi"

He saluted, turned on his heels, and left while Count Terauchi looked on, dumbfounded. There was nothing he could do but watch, for the time being, and hoped that Tojo's legendary instinct for self-preservation would trump his equally legendary aggression
 
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Sounds like the remaining militarists are starting to chafe at their collars.

What few of them are left certainly are.

They have little political support as well, as TTL's national policies have gained Japan a lot of international respect, and made a lot of fortunes, so many will be loath to change any of that. By the early 1930s, the expanded Navy was costing nearly (and by some calculations, over) half the national budget, changes needed to be made, and re-integration with the international system was truly the only way of expanding the pool of funds available as shrinking the fleet was not an option. That the naval lobby wrote off preventive war with the United States as a disaster in the making certainly helped.

Both the Navy and increasingly motorized Army depend on oil from the Middle East and its vast proven reserves, for everything from bunker fuel for ships to high-octane aviation gasoline. That isn't the only thing either- rubber from Ceylon, coal from Manchukuo, nickel from Canada for high-quality alloys, electronics from Britain, beef from Australia... the list goes on. The massive building slips at Kure Naval Arsenal, Mitsubishi Nagasaki Yard, and Yokosuka Naval Arsenal where Yamato, Musashi and Shinano respectively are taking shape are proof positive that these policies worked- otherwise, the coffers would have been too empty to lay down these massive new ships.

By contrast, the proponents of the National Defence State can do little but shuffle their feet and mumble about "values" when asked how they'll pay for it all. Money (and influence so more of it can be secured) talks, BS walks. The way the Diet is structured TTL and OTL also reserves space in the House of Peers for a certain number of the highest taxpayers, which helps ensure their interests are well looked after indeed.

The "values" objection is also rather easily countered; Konoe's ruling body can simply argue "Meiji Values"- combining modernity and prosperity with Japanese traditions.


Plus, you can't do anything that will affect Japan's economy to such a degree because the Communazis are building super battleships and are coming to attack Tokyo next week so GIVE US (the IJN) MORE MONEY!
 
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A few points of clarification here, regarding the situation in China:

-I neglected to mention the Australian commander dispatched to China: Major General Leslie Morshead, nicknamed "Ming the Merciless" by his troops due to his severe demeanor and ruthless enforcement of regulations. A decorated WWI veteran and successful businessman between the wars, he is a natural choice for the job.

-Troop concentrations in Kunming, in China's southwest probably means one thing: a dry-season (October-March) offensive into Indochina. That was already the most successful of the "Four Winds" offensives, and the British and Japanese troops tasked principally with defending Singapore have yet to push the National Army fully out of Burma. Burma is important for the Allies as not only is it the first stop on the road to Singapore, it is also right next to British India. With much independence activity in East Bengal and Assam, it would be both a military and a propaganda setback to have Chinese and Indian forces successfully link up on the Burma-India border. The losses of Rangoon and, if things go really badly, Karachi, would deprive the Allies of two important ports, which would be especially bad as much of the merchant fleet relies on coal for fuel and requires coaling stations.

-There is also a fear among the Allies that the RoC is planning a campaign into French Indochina as well. With the precarious position of France, and the goal of liberating Metropolitan France at the forefront of the issues, just how well mounting a defence will go is questionable. However, the French have sent a convoy to reinforce their presence in Vietnam in September, boosting their naval presence as well as their garrison on the ground. Several crated D.520 fighters were part of the cargo as well.

-The National Army commander in Kunming is General Li Zongren, a quick-witted and able commander.

-For the defence of Nanking, Chiang has sidelined General Chongren Chen, and tasked General Xue Yue, probably his best general, with the defence of the city. Xue is nicknamed "The God of War" by his troops, a testament to his exceptional abilities.

-In KMT palace intrigue, with the loss of Shanghai, Du Yuesheng has started to outlive his usefulness. Given his wily ways, Chiang has instructed him to use his still-strong underworld network to infiltrate the Communists, and attempt to either bring them into the conflict on the KMT's side, or break them apart and destroy them. "Liquidating" Mao Zedong is permitted if necessary to achieve that goal.

-In Britain, it is acknowledged that it is necessary to reinforce Burma. To that end, an additional division is to set sail for Rangoon, likely in December 1941. Any guesses as to who might be the major general in command?
 
Shit, looks like Jiang has wised up that cronies are useless against the professional commanders the Allies have in charge of their armies. Things are going to get bloodier from here on out.
 
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