The Revenge of the Crown : An Alternate 1812 and Beyond.
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I knew Jackson was going to be worse than Calhoun, he just went about his purges more smartly than Calhoun. It makes him far more dangerous and insidious. Hell we don't know what he's doing to the Natives, he wasn't exactly kind them OTL and I'm betting that was just amplified ITTL.
Betting Jackson will try and nab Florida.
I dunno, we haven't yet seen what King Leopoldo I of Sardinia or Grand Duke Leopoldo II of Tuscany will do now that they have gained and regained their thrones respectively. As for Ferdinando II of the Two Sicilies, I'm actually just not even surprised really, the King was IOTL, probably the most despotic out of any of his Bourbon relatives, some of what he did leading Gladstone to lead the charge that led to the Two Sicilies being diplomatically isolated, a move that contributed to it's fall to Sardinia-Piedmont/Italy under the King's OTL son Francesco II.
I know there's also Modena-Reggio (under Francesco IV), Lucca (under Carlo Ludovico de Bourbon-Parma) and Parma (under Maria Ludovica, with the aforementioned Carlo Ludovico as her heir), but I feel they're irrelevant.
the AU annexes Florida wholesale, possibly even make a play for Cuba too. Otherwise, New Granada will likely go independent, but I see Puerto Rico, Santo Domingo, the Philippines and Peru remaining in the Spanish Crown, maybe Cuba too because while I feel Florida will be the primary objective, any attempt for Cuba swings in favor of the Spanish, whose navy was more powerful than the U.S., and that's before you take into consideration the Navy hasn't recovered from 4 wars in the span of 15 years.
I am guessing Characas will see our future Spanish PM campaign there as its mentioned as one of the places he will be famous in the present day of the IU source. So Alpine troubles in the future, possibly he reconquers Characas but it ends up being a poisoned prize.
New Granada I see as gaining independence. With the new monarch being either a local figure or a Bonaparte under a constitution. New Granada may also trade Panama too Mexico who is dreaming of canals by that point as part of the treaty for aid.
Chile rebels in reaction to the conservative Spanish regime and wins its independence.
Peru remains as a royalist stronghold, but with subsequent regimes taking a more reformist approach tying it closer to the metropole.
Florida is is invaded by the AU. The war ends in a stalemate with both sides distracted to elsewhere, the AU gets West Florida(the whole of the panhandle) while the Peninsula remains Spanish due to the resistance offered not just by the Spanish military and terrain, but the efforts of the freedmen and the Seminole guerillas. The war sees the birth of Floridian national identity, but loyalty to Spain remains as its seen as a needed deterrent to the AU.
Cuba and Puerto Rico remain colonies but like Peru see a great deal of reform.
Santo Domingo will depend on what Haiti gets up too. Just for some fun variety let's say there's a thin chance they offer submission to Mexico feeling that Mexico City can protect them better than Madrid.
Not enough data on the Phillipines for me to feel even a shot in the dark is worth noting just now.
I predict Bonaparte.
I forgot about Haiti, and yet at the same time, I wanna ask, is Haiti still divided between monarchist, authoritarian north and democratic south?
I'm going to take a shot and say it stays loyal to Spain.
Speaking of house Bonaparte, what's happened to Lucien, Louis and Jérôme ITTL?
I've also been reading about Achille Murat, son of Joachim Murat and Caroline Bonaparte. What's become of him ITTL? He moved first to Austria, and later to Florida IOTL.
I've also been reading about Achille Murat, son of Joachim Murat and Caroline Bonaparte. What's become of him ITTL? He moved first to Austria, and later to Florida IOTL.
I seem to recall it being said Louis and his family were the only branch of the Bonaprate clan other than Napoleon II that turned down Jose I's offer of settling in Mexico. Isn't Lucien likely dead by now as well?
Actually the Parti Patriote was an OTL Canadian political party in Lower Canada with Papineau as one of it's leaders. The twist in this story is that in OTL Papineau and the Patriote's led the 1837-38 rebellions unlike TTL where he is a loyalist.
indeed, Fernando II was very unlike his father Fernando I who was beloved.
maybe, however the AU does not have the navy to contest the seas with the Spaniards. Any attempt at Cuba would be sunk.
we'll see.
granadan monarchy? That's an interesting thought.
probably
If Peru remains a Spanish colony, it is going to be dangerously isolated.
could be possible.
Haiti is just the isolated country that is massively unstable like otl. So they won't be doing much.
its an unstable oligarchy as of right now.
not exactly.....Luzon was very anti-Spanish and the south was very pro-Spain.
most of the bonaparte clan migrated to Louisiana and Mexico.
Murat's story is an interesting one, which i will not spoil!
Has it been covered how Louisiana s treating its Native American populations that are not Comanche?
