That would be perfect. The Canadian crews can learn Spanish to read the labels on the Chilean submarine controls, and learn German to operate the battle cruiser.Imagine the macksasen class being finished for canada
That would be perfect. The Canadian crews can learn Spanish to read the labels on the Chilean submarine controls, and learn German to operate the battle cruiser.Imagine the macksasen class being finished for canada
sounds about right for Canadian procurementThat would be perfect. The Canadian crews can learn Spanish to read the labels on the Chilean submarine controls, and learn German to operate the battle cruiser.
That would be perfect. The Canadian crews can learn Spanish to read the labels on the Chilean submarine controls, and learn German to operate the battle cruiser.
Few more here for you:History/ Alt History Sidebar: I have been doing some travelling around the coast of this fair province lately, and seeing an assortment of sunken wrecks. If the wrecks of warships sunk as harbour breakwaters were ISOTed back into this storyline, the Germans would be hard pressed.
At Royston the breakwater contains:
HMCS Gatineau, former HMS Express, an E-class destroyer
HMCS Prince Rupert, Eastview, and Dunver, all River class frigates,
USS Tattnall, a Clemson class destroyer.
Kelsey Bay breakwater hulks - Wikimapia
Four (or five) old rusting hulks of former ships are used as a breakwater for the log booming gounds and the small boat harbour. There is some confusion about the actual identity of the ships. According to a sign at the site, the hulks are (left to right): Lasalle, Longueuil, Cardena, and...wikimapia.org
The Breakwater at Kelsey Bay contains:
HMCS Longueuil, Runnymede, and Lasalle, more River class frigates, and by some reports
USS Charleston, a protected cruiser.
Kelsey Bay breakwater hulks - Wikimapia
Four (or five) old rusting hulks of former ships are used as a breakwater for the log booming gounds and the small boat harbour. There is some confusion about the actual identity of the ships. According to a sign at the site, the hulks are (left to right): Lasalle, Longueuil, Cardena, and...wikimapia.org
The breakwater at Powell River is made of concrete freighters, formerly 10, but some have been retired.
Concrete Ships: The Powell River Floating Breakwater
Information, history and photos of the concrete ships built by the United States during WWI and WWII.www.concreteships.org
Following this tenuous thread, if one ISOTed all the warships sunk in BC as artificial reefs, then there would be a whole cold war NATO fleet.
History/ Alt History Sidebar: I have been doing some travelling around the coast of this fair province lately, and seeing an assortment of sunken wrecks. If the wrecks of warships sunk as harbour breakwaters were ISOTed back into this storyline, the Germans would be hard pressed.
At Royston the breakwater contains:
HMCS Gatineau, former HMS Express, an E-class destroyer
HMCS Prince Rupert, Eastview, and Dunver, all River class frigates,
USS Tattnall, a Clemson class destroyer.
The Royston Wrecks - Wikimapia
You can see the remnants of 14 (possibly 15) old ships that were once used as a breakwater to protect the log booming grounds of Comox Harbour. In the first half of the 20th century the Comox Valley had a booming logging industry. The logs where pulled by train to the entrance of the Comox...wikimapia.org
The Breakwater at Kelsey Bay contains:
HMCS Longueuil, Runnymede, and Lasalle, more River class frigates, and by some reports
USS Charleston, a protected cruiser.
Kelsey Bay breakwater hulks - Wikimapia
Four (or five) old rusting hulks of former ships are used as a breakwater for the log booming gounds and the small boat harbour. There is some confusion about the actual identity of the ships. According to a sign at the site, the hulks are (left to right): Lasalle, Longueuil, Cardena, and...wikimapia.org
The breakwater at Powell River is made of concrete freighters, formerly 10, but some have been retired.
Concrete Ships: The Powell River Floating Breakwater
Information, history and photos of the concrete ships built by the United States during WWI and WWII.www.concreteships.org
Following this tenuous thread, if one ISOTed all the warships sunk in BC as artificial reefs, then there would be a whole cold war NATO fleet.
Interesting, the USS Charleston is at Kelsey Bay and the USS South Dakota/Huron is at the Powell River mill. And both cruisers were in the area at the time of this ATL. Oh right, Charleston showed up in an early installment. In 16 years they go from being the most powerful warships in the region to breakwaters.
At the iron mines on Texada Island. Which sort of raises the question, Why did the Germans not bombard the iron mines? The iron ore production seemed to be just barged somewhere else for processing, there was no mill that I am aware of. I suppose the loading wharf could be burned, but there was no facility like a smelter that if destroyed would cause a damaging bottleneck in production. No critical node. And I think iron mines are more common than copper mines. So trade commissioner Meyer would have advised scratching Texada Iron Mine off the original long list of targets, at the officer's meeting in Ucluelet harbour the previous night.I also read that some of the metal used to build the South Dakota was mined only a few miles away.
History/ Alt History Sidebar: I have been doing some travelling around the coast of this fair province lately, and seeing an assortment of sunken wrecks. If the wrecks of warships sunk as harbour breakwaters were ISOTed back into this storyline, the Germans would be hard pressed.
At Royston the breakwater contains:
HMCS Gatineau, former HMS Express, an E-class destroyer
HMCS Prince Rupert, Eastview, and Dunver, all River class frigates,
USS Tattnall, a Clemson class destroyer.
The Royston Wrecks - Wikimapia
You can see the remnants of 14 (possibly 15) old ships that were once used as a breakwater to protect the log booming grounds of Comox Harbour. In the first half of the 20th century the Comox Valley had a booming logging industry. The logs where pulled by train to the entrance of the Comox...wikimapia.org
The Breakwater at Kelsey Bay contains:
HMCS Longueuil, Runnymede, and Lasalle, more River class frigates, and by some reports
USS Charleston, a protected cruiser.
Kelsey Bay breakwater hulks - Wikimapia
Four (or five) old rusting hulks of former ships are used as a breakwater for the log booming gounds and the small boat harbour. There is some confusion about the actual identity of the ships. According to a sign at the site, the hulks are (left to right): Lasalle, Longueuil, Cardena, and...wikimapia.org
The breakwater at Powell River is made of concrete freighters, formerly 10, but some have been retired.
Concrete Ships: The Powell River Floating Breakwater
Information, history and photos of the concrete ships built by the United States during WWI and WWII.www.concreteships.org
Following this tenuous thread, if one ISOTed all the warships sunk in BC as artificial reefs, then there would be a whole cold war NATO fleet.
Alternatively, having ASROC-launched torpedoes falling from the sky upon them might led the Germans to reconsider their course of action...Sending back some of the Tribal class destroyers might make things more interesting
Alternatively, having ASROC-launched torpedoes falling from the sky upon them might led the Germans to reconsider their course of action...
Nope. At least not officially. However, by the time ASROC is a thing you can be putting guided missiles into the Germans, or air dropped bombs, or cluster AT bombs, or any other semi modern weapon. It's ok that the 100 pound torpedo warhead wont hit the germans, we developed better ways to kill surface targets.Did ASROC have and anti surface ship mode ?
Lots. I have a spreadsheet, but I need to update.This is far from any ASB and so it shall stay imo.
What is the complete list of shipping lost by the UK by now would be nice to know. Especially since a large part were ocean going and that was exactly that was missing in 1917.