The New Order: Last Days of Europe - An Axis Victory Cold War Mod for HoIIV

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I'm thinking.

Around WW2, Park Chung-hee served as an officer in the Manchurian army, TNOTL he is likely still in Manchukuo and hasn't returned to Korea like he did OTL after WW2. So it's interesting to find out what role he is playing in these different circumstances. Maybe he could be among the rooster of generals within Manchukuo? Maybe he is part of this "Manchurian faction" that exists within the Kwangtung army (as according to one of the national spirits)? Perhaps he has a role to play in whatever shenanigans that seems to be afoot within the Manchurian army?
Seeing Paik Sun-Yup, I am also expecting Park Chung-hee, and a bunch of other Korean generals in the Manchukuo Army.

That said, I do hope the Korean officers defect in the event of the GAW. That and Korea deserves to be free.
 

MOE SUPER EVENTS!

Ok, time to comment on them

Suslov is the most "Evil is cool" one!
The most frightening waifu is Ivan Serov!
The most good-unsettling is Stalina-chan!
Shafarevich one sends a shiver on the spine!
 
Idea for a story/one shot map: Zinoviev goes to sleep one night in post-Midnight Russia... only to wake up as he was on January 1st, 1962.
 
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MOE SUPER EVENTS!

Ok, time to comment on them

Suslov is the most "Evil is cool" one!
The most frightening waifu is Ivan Serov!
The most good-unsettling is Stalina-chan!
Shafarevich one sends a shiver on the spine!
Is it me, or did they put freaking Tanya the Evil as Rodzaevsky ?
 
The buttons might say as follows.

WREU: "Free minds and free markets."
Vyatka: "A revolution rises."
Samara: "The death of a nation."
IRH: "The power of the mind."


Mirror West Siberia Unifiers:

The Free State of Tyumen (Tyumen): Kaganovich abandoned communism and embraced "moderate" fascism with intense economic control, creating a nightmare of a mixed economy. Khrushchev can in the superregional stage, inspired by Menshevism, take control and create a social-democratic market socialist mixed economy with the goal of developing productive forces for socialism. (Despotism/SocDem). West Siberian Free State and then after that either the Free State of Russia or the Russian Socialist Federative Socialist Republic. Button: "The Free Market Isn't Free" (Kaganovich) and "Will The People Be Heard?" (Khrushchev)

The Red Bandits (Sverdlovsk): A gang of ex-Red Army bandits, Sverdlovsk has abandoned its communist ideology and become a ruthless group of gangsters seeking to make as much money as necessary for their pile of drugs, alcohol, and whores. The Red Bandits create the Siberian Thief Territory and then the Russian Confederation. Their path is nightmarish, full of violence, torture, extortion, murder, and general suffering. Their society is corrupt and destructive to an extreme, destined to fall apart and a failstate for Russia. (Despotism) Button: "Germany's Final Victory"

The All-Russian White League (Omsk): Omsk thinks it can save Russia, and it might be right. Formed as a humanitarian organization, the White League seeks to clothe the naked, feed the hungry, house the homeless, and defend the people. They believe all Russians are worth saving from chaos, and firmly believe they're fighting to integrate the people into a constitutional monarchy under Alexei II/Michal Goleniewski. If they conquer Russia, they will treat their enemies with mercy, give them freedom, punish the guilty, and seek to liberate the people of Moskowein from German tyranny by diplomacy and international pressure. That said, their willingness to use threats of war to try and bluff the Germans might lead to the end of the world. Button: "Blind Faith?"
These mirror versions are really cool, although I don't think there would be that much ideological divergence for some of them. So Kruschev wouldn't turn the despotist Tyumen into socdems, just a more sane despotism.

Looking forward to it if you decide to do the other regions as well.
 
These mirror versions are really cool, although I don't think there would be that much ideological divergence for some of them. So Kruschev wouldn't turn the despotist Tyumen into socdems, just a more sane despotism.

Looking forward to it if you decide to do the other regions as well.
I did West Siberia above, actually, and Komi!

Also, would anyone be interested in a freeform, group-moderated RP based on this where the factions of Mirror West Russia and West Siberia send delegates to an All-Russian UN analogue and have to figure their shit out and do character stuff? I'll post the idea on the Shared Worlds relevant idea thread.
 
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I did West Siberia above, actually, and Komi!

Also, would anyone be interested in a freeform, group-moderated RP based on this where the factions of Mirror West Russia and West Siberia send delegates to an All-Russian UN analogue and have to figure their shit out and do character stuff? I'll post the idea on the Shared Worlds relevant idea thread.
That sounds like it could be reasonably fun, yeah.
 
Also, would anyone be interested in a freeform, group-moderated RP based on this where the factions of Mirror West Russia and West Siberia send delegates to an All-Russian UN analogue and have to figure their shit out and do character stuff? I'll post the idea on the Shared Worlds relevant idea thread.
That sounds pretty fun. I think i’ll join if it ever becomes a thread.
 

chankljp

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A screenshot that someone just shared on Reddit, showing what happens if the Satan worshipping Brotherhood of Cain manages to reunify Russia after the post-Taboritsky midnight collapse:

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.... I think that by this point, a lot of people around the world would start to genuinely question if perhaps the Nazis might have a point on the Russians being savages that cannot be trusted to rule themselves. With RK Moskowien/Speer's Paktkommission Russland being a freaking utopia of peace and stability by comparison.
 
A screenshot that someone just shared on Reddit, showing what happens if the Satan worshipping Brotherhood of Cain manages to reunify Russia after the post-Taboritsky midnight collapse:

o5g48thlprq61.png

.... I think that by this point, a lot of people around the world would start to genuinely question if perhaps the Nazis might have a point on the Russians being savages that cannot be trusted to rule themselves. With RK Moskowien/Speer's Paktkommission Russland being a freaking utopia of peace and stability by comparison.
This is a quote that would be very appropriate for this event:
“God is dead and we have killed him”
Friedrich Nietzsche
 
Speaking of the post-Taboritsky anarchy, what do you think happens to the Russian identity post-Midnight, especially amongst the younger generation and with the devs saying the idea of a united Russia is dead for the foreseeable future? Would there still be a shared Russian national identity? Or would the Russian identity evolve into something like how people from Morocco to Iraq would identify as Arab but also emphasize how they are Moroccans or Iraqis with regional identities being deemed more important by the younger generation?
 

chankljp

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Speaking of the post-Taboritsky anarchy, what do you think happens to the Russian identity post-Midnight, especially amongst the younger generation and with the devs saying the idea of a united Russia is dead for the foreseeable future? Would there still be a shared Russian national identity? Or would the Russian identity evolve into something like how people from Morocco to Iraq would identify as Arab but also emphasize how they are Moroccans or Iraqis with regional identities being deemed more important by the younger generation?
As a Hong Konger who have seen some of my fellow HKers having this sense of extreme Anglophile as a reaction to their rejection of Mainland China, ignoring the fact that Hong Kong came under British rule in the first place under... Shall we say, highly questionable circumstances, or that there has been a policy of racism and discrimination by colonial government against the majority Chinese population in the colony, with there literally being 'Westerners/whites only' facilities and districts.... Or the way that some people in Taiwan such as former president Lee Teng-hui who grew up under colonial rule, with him being such a total Japanophilia to the point of being publicly proud of the fact that he was more proficient in speaking and writing Japanese than he was in Mandarin Chinese...

If we have a post-Taboritsky anarchy, combined with a Paktkommission Russland under either the Go4 or even pragmatic fascist Speer, the people living in the German parts of Western Russia might start developing a separate national identity, to the point that by the 1980s-90s, you might find them saying things like 'I am a Muscovite, not a Russian!' when talking to people overseas.
 

chankljp

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To be honest that’s how i played most of my US games. Now i feel bad.
Well, it is certainly something that I think is fully in-character for the United States government to do. After all, it is the pragmatic and logical solution to what is going on in Africa, with OFN walking out of this having won their first post-WW2 conflict as an alliance. They have achieved their stated objective of defending South Africa from Nazi invasion, with the country now serving as a base of operation that will allow OFN to expand their operations in the Indian Ocean, not to mention bieng totally under American's political and economic orbit. Hence, the POTUS will now be able to focus on his domestic agenda, not having to spend further blood and treasure in Africa beyond guarding the now expanded South African boarder.

... As long as you don't mind the fact that Hutting is committing Khmer Rouge level genocide against millions of Africans, and will most likely devastate everything south of Ethiopia and north of Harare/Salisbury in a way that is on-par to what Tabby does to Russia.

But again, from a McNamara style pragmatist that only cares about numbers on a spreadsheet, he will say that:

(1) As terrible as Hutting's Reichsstaat might be, he is not part of Germany's Einheitspakt. Meaning that geopolitically, it will not be a threat to US national interests as it turns half of Africa into a giant void of madness and suffering. If anything, it will be a massive propaganda victory to discredit the any future anti-war movement or ciritsim of American foreign policy ('See? We could have won the war with a total victory, but those damn NPP hippies and their Yockey buddies forced us to sign a ceasefire, condemning millions of Africans to get murdered in mass graves. Which is why you should support [Insert US police action/military intervention here]').

(2) Even if all the OFN Mandates worked out in the best way possible and successfully decolonized, it was implied that much of Africa will still be a dysfunctional and chaotic mess due to the damaged done via the legacy of European colonialism under the British and the Belgians, the decades of Nazi rule under the RKs, and the SAW. A mess that you bet you ass the L-NPP types WILL absolutely be blaming on America's 'capitalist exploitation/systemic racism/sexism/elitism, etc', while the Yockey types will say that the SAW and the Mandates were done for the 'interests of the Wall Street bankers/ZOG'. The fact that even the worst case scenario for the OFN Mandates would be vastly better compared to the Hutting's Reichsstaat is irrelevant, since there is no way for people in-universe to know that, plus, the L-NPP types would outright reject any idea that America is anything less then a Nazi Germany with better PR, while the Yockey types would actually consider the idea of million of dead Africans to be a good thing that they not-so-secretly wank off to. With a Pro-OFN ceasefire, the US can simply go, 'This is not by business' at the slaughter. After all, the L-NPP types have already hitched your wagon to the anti-war movement. What are they going to do? Pull a full 180 and condemn the US for NOT intervening more in Africa?

(3) Even the best OFN total victory scenario will see thousand of additional dead American soldiers. Sure, you would be saving millions of Africans from Hutting's Reichsstaat... But at the end of the day, those millions of Africans would not be voting in American elections, while the thousands of extradead American soldiers and their family WOULD.
 
After all, the L-NPP types have already hitched your wagon to the anti-war movement. What are they going to do? Pull a full 180 and condemn the US for NOT intervening more in Africa?
I mean, looking at RL tankies...yeah, they absolutely would do that.

In any case, the L-NPP and Yockeys are pretty irrelevant in the early 1960s, so why would you be making any political calculations based on them? It would be like Johnson making decisions about whether or not to intervene in Vietnam because of the CPUSA or, well, Yockey.
 
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