Bukharin was definitively "softer" in a lot of ways than even Lenin, though. Even then, it's not like every socialist of the 20th century that claimed to be leninist were even close to being as harsh as Lenin was.
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"HEY GUKPA, THERE IS ANY SOCIALIST ELECTABLE IN BRAZIL IN CSS?"
Yes my random member of this forum, there is, and such figure is Leonel Brizola, the one from the "varguism painted red" route!
"BUT GUKPA! HOW MUCH OF A SOCIALIST LEONEL BRIZOLA IS?"
HE WAS THE HONORARY PRESIDENT OF THE INTERNATIONALE IN 2003 to 2004!
"GUKPA CAN HE MAKE FIVE YEAR PLANS IN BRAZIL AND PRODUCE LADAS ON IT?"
He can get some inspiration from the five year plans, but Ladas aren't mentioned in TNO1, thus he cannot! A BIG F for our favourite soviet car!
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Yes my random member of this forum, there is, and such figure is Leonel Brizola, the one from the "varguism painted red" route!
"BUT GUKPA! HOW MUCH OF A SOCIALIST LEONEL BRIZOLA IS?"
HE WAS THE HONORARY PRESIDENT OF THE INTERNATIONALE IN 2003 to 2004!
"GUKPA CAN HE MAKE FIVE YEAR PLANS IN BRAZIL AND PRODUCE LADAS ON IT?"
He can get some inspiration from the five year plans, but Ladas aren't mentioned in TNO1, thus he cannot! A BIG F for our favourite soviet car!
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GLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORY URRA!
SOCIALISM MEANS THAT EVERY SINGLE BRAZILIAN GONNA HAVE A MONKEY SOUP AT THEIR PAN!!! URRA!
Even so, I imagine his ideas to be weakened in influence by his defeat and as Tyumen shows, just because Stalin never took power doesn't mean that people wouldn't use his ideas.
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We must consider that Britain is under a conservative nazi collaborationist racist government, so he would have been radicalized to stalininst levels anyway just due the sheer repression used against communists
Not exactly.
Bill Alexander was sort of de-radicalised in TNO from being a hardliner to a "Kill Germans, Liberate England > Ideological Purity", and his faction of the CPGB is dominant at game start.
I find that attraction to these Radical Nationalists wounds down to aesthetics, that and you have people who like them not out of ideological reasons, but from aesthetics.
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I had been acquainted with TNO during the 2018-2019 period. Right at the time where Meinhoff stanning was the fashion of the day. I suppose that did colour my perspective.
Ladies and gentlemen,
Dear hearts and gentle people,
Comrades and Matryoshkas
I came in the name of João Goulart 1965 electoral campaign to talk about the rumors that he is not really a independent candidate, but a ploy by former president Getúlio Vargas to continue controlling Brazil indirectly, a gossip spread a lot by right wing circles in cartoons such as this
I must say that that's not the case, João Goulart is a completely independent candidate, it is not like Vargas would get a popular young figure that agrees with him in 95% of the stuff and had him to run just to keep controlling behind the shadows, Vargas only way to contact Jango is through letters or when Jango visit him for a friendly barbecue once for a while, so Vargas would never ask him to do stuff using this means!
Dear hearts and gentle people,
Comrades and Matryoshkas
I came in the name of João Goulart 1965 electoral campaign to talk about the rumors that he is not really a independent candidate, but a ploy by former president Getúlio Vargas to continue controlling Brazil indirectly, a gossip spread a lot by right wing circles in cartoons such as this
I must say that that's not the case, João Goulart is a completely independent candidate, it is not like Vargas would get a popular young figure that agrees with him in 95% of the stuff and had him to run just to keep controlling behind the shadows, Vargas only way to contact Jango is through letters or when Jango visit him for a friendly barbecue once for a while, so Vargas would never ask him to do stuff using this means!
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Something that wouldn't leave my head: Colonel Volgin from MGS3 in the Russian Anarchy, most likely Tyumen.
No doubt he'd usurp power from Kaganovich and purge both Lazar's clique and Khrushchev's at the regional stage, before inheriting the Stalinist cult of personality Lazar established. Off the top of my head, what would immediately set apart Volgin from Kaganovich is that the Colonel's reunited Russia would be a massive NKVD police state in addition to being a Stalinist hell, a mix of Lazar's WSPR and Yagoda's Far Eastern SSR, only difference being that Volgin's police state only intensifies after his WSPR reaches the regional stage.
But other than that, I was torn between it being a MGS/TNO crossover (which would see massive butterflies in the plot of MGS3, especially since canonically The Boss and the Cobras fought for the Allies in WW2.) or Groznyj Grad being ISOTed to Tyumen in 1962 (which would be a massive shift in the balance of power almost overnight to say the least).
No doubt he'd usurp power from Kaganovich and purge both Lazar's clique and Khrushchev's at the regional stage, before inheriting the Stalinist cult of personality Lazar established. Off the top of my head, what would immediately set apart Volgin from Kaganovich is that the Colonel's reunited Russia would be a massive NKVD police state in addition to being a Stalinist hell, a mix of Lazar's WSPR and Yagoda's Far Eastern SSR, only difference being that Volgin's police state only intensifies after his WSPR reaches the regional stage.
But other than that, I was torn between it being a MGS/TNO crossover (which would see massive butterflies in the plot of MGS3, especially since canonically The Boss and the Cobras fought for the Allies in WW2.) or Groznyj Grad being ISOTed to Tyumen in 1962 (which would be a massive shift in the balance of power almost overnight to say the least).
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Agreed!Ladies and gentlemen,
Dear hearts and gentle people,
Comrades and Matryoshkas
I came in the name of João Goulart 1965 electoral campaign to talk about the rumors that he is not really a independent candidate, but a ploy by former president Getúlio Vargas to continue controlling Brazil indirectly, a gossip spread a lot by right wing circles in cartoons such as this
I must say that that's not the case, João Goulart is a completely independent candidate, it is not like Vargas would get a popular young figure that agrees with him in 95% of the stuff and had him to run just to keep controlling behind the shadows, Vargas only way to contact Jango is through letters or when Jango visit him for a friendly barbecue once for a while, so Vargas would never ask him to do stuff using this means!
That's a quite specific denial, but I think you're trustworthy. Definitely nothing fishy hereI came in the name of João Goulart 1965 electoral campaign to talk about the rumors that he is not really a independent candidate, but a ploy by former president Getúlio Vargas to continue controlling Brazil indirectly, a gossip spread a lot by right wing circles in cartoons such as this
I must say that that's not the case, João Goulart is a completely independent candidate, it is not like Vargas would get a popular young figure that agrees with him in 95% of the stuff and had him to run just to keep controlling behind the shadows, Vargas only way to contact Jango is through letters or when Jango visit him for a friendly barbecue once for a while, so Vargas would never ask him to do stuff using this means!
Why hello there sir. I was wondering what the price for the hat of that totally honest and devastatingly handsome man in the background would be?Ladies and gentlemen,
Dear hearts and gentle people,
Comrades and Matryoshkas
I came in the name of João Goulart 1965 electoral campaign to talk about the rumors that he is not really a independent candidate, but a ploy by former president Getúlio Vargas to continue controlling Brazil indirectly, a gossip spread a lot by right wing circles in cartoons such as this
I must say that that's not the case, João Goulart is a completely independent candidate, it is not like Vargas would get a popular young figure that agrees with him in 95% of the stuff and had him to run just to keep controlling behind the shadows, Vargas only way to contact Jango is through letters or when Jango visit him for a friendly barbecue once for a while, so Vargas would never ask him to do stuff using this means!
Still, I'm not sure that Leninism would be as influential in far-leftist circles outside the USSR ITTL as it was IOTL. The USSR got defeated by the Nazis and disintegrated into a bunch of warlordates and, uh, maybe that's not the best comparison, but how often do you come across a Siad Barre apologist?
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The truth why the Gang of four is the best route for Germany.
Comrades, friends, kameraten, anime girls, normal human beings and "people" who put pineapple on their pizzas.
I come towards you not as a god, but as one of you, yes, you all except the pineapple pizzaer's, to bring you the superior logical reasoning that brings you the real, unique, and truthfull reason why the gang of four is the best route for Germany, the only one that can garantee a good ending, and the only one that will bring the only good ending possible. Some might consider being the fact that the increasing living standart and salaries would result on more people being able to buy the VW beetle, yes that is a positive thing, in fact I think that the only good nazi ending is if the VW grows so much that they buy the german government and replace he fuhrer with a self aware VW beetle, but that is not reason why this route is the best one.
For the gang of four to be the best route you need something greater, something that will overshadow anything and EVERYTHING that can come in other routes, more than Bormann cybersyn chairs, or fascist speer Hugo Boss cap. Something that goes greater than Göring spawning Maus tanks, or Schörner dark glasses, something greater even than Heydrich negociating skills. This something is the only thing that makes the Gang of Four be worth playing, not democracy, I tell you, since you can also get democracy by screwing up as Boring man, but something that won't come in other routes, something as perfect as Mozart, that builds a world without comissars
This something that makes the Gang of Four to be the best route is him, yes, him, the man, the legend, who received a call from Vienna and dressed like Napoleon. The cultural restrictions of other routes won't allow Germany to be as liberal enought to accept someone this outrageous to be a public figure.
Ja Mein Herr, exactly who you think.
So please, play as the gang of four to unlock him in TNO2.
Cheers
Gukpa.
Comrades, friends, kameraten, anime girls, normal human beings and "people" who put pineapple on their pizzas.
I come towards you not as a god, but as one of you, yes, you all except the pineapple pizzaer's, to bring you the superior logical reasoning that brings you the real, unique, and truthfull reason why the gang of four is the best route for Germany, the only one that can garantee a good ending, and the only one that will bring the only good ending possible. Some might consider being the fact that the increasing living standart and salaries would result on more people being able to buy the VW beetle, yes that is a positive thing, in fact I think that the only good nazi ending is if the VW grows so much that they buy the german government and replace he fuhrer with a self aware VW beetle, but that is not reason why this route is the best one.
For the gang of four to be the best route you need something greater, something that will overshadow anything and EVERYTHING that can come in other routes, more than Bormann cybersyn chairs, or fascist speer Hugo Boss cap. Something that goes greater than Göring spawning Maus tanks, or Schörner dark glasses, something greater even than Heydrich negociating skills. This something is the only thing that makes the Gang of Four be worth playing, not democracy, I tell you, since you can also get democracy by screwing up as Boring man, but something that won't come in other routes, something as perfect as Mozart, that builds a world without comissars
This something that makes the Gang of Four to be the best route is him, yes, him, the man, the legend, who received a call from Vienna and dressed like Napoleon. The cultural restrictions of other routes won't allow Germany to be as liberal enought to accept someone this outrageous to be a public figure.
Ja Mein Herr, exactly who you think.
So please, play as the gang of four to unlock him in TNO2.
Cheers
Gukpa.
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