The Great Crusade (Reds! Part 3)
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Bookmark1995
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That update was very good Jello.
I find the mindset of this Joachim person to very chilling. He acknowledges the victory of Comintern while still maintaining his racial supremacist beliefs, thinking that Nazi defeat was due to overconfidence.
Do Neo-Nazis like him have a strong influence in ITTL West Germany society?
I find the mindset of this Joachim person to very chilling. He acknowledges the victory of Comintern while still maintaining his racial supremacist beliefs, thinking that Nazi defeat was due to overconfidence.
Do Neo-Nazis like him have a strong influence in ITTL West Germany society?
It's the Kaiserreich under Emperor Louis-Ferdinand, the republican right of Germany is in disgrace and the left cannot be trusted, so the DNVP enters power and restores the Monarchy, there will never be a Federal Republic of Germany. It's still about half of Germany though; you'll see its shape eventually. Leaning towards Westphalia and Bavaria being the core part of Imperial western Germany now.
Italy is going to be kind of weird and broken. Naples, Sicily, Piedmont, Roma, and such are blue but Venezia, Tuscany, and the like in the northeast are red.
Brazil is entirely blue under the restored Empire, Japan is entirely red; while Italy and Germany are divided in more or less half.
Redshank Galloglass
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Jello, excellent update. Red Star, that goes for you as well. I really want to play "Thunder of the South" now. Damn this universe and its superior video games!
The animated series sounds good as well, and the fact that American Marines are in it makes me (and my father) very happy men.
The animated series sounds good as well, and the fact that American Marines are in it makes me (and my father) very happy men.
Redshank Galloglass
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If possible, I'd also like to hear more about the 33rd Chilean Battalion holding off an entire Corps of green guard soldiers. I mean, a normal corps of soldiers is around 50000 men, whereas a battalion is like, maybe 1000 troops at best. That's a 50:1 manpower ratio. How the hell does a battalion hold off a corps for that long?
Well, the Battle of Wizna had roughly the same level of numbers, so it's possible.
Good terrain, bad leadership for the Green Guard, their fondness for finding landmines via charging head on....
Redshank Galloglass
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Yeah, but the Poles lost that battle. Granted, they took out quite a few German soldiers, but they still lost badly.
I hate to bring up the massed infantry attack but it seems like that's the only way a single battalion could hold off an entire Corps of supported infantry.
Thunder of the South is a game kind of like a more serious and realistic approach to the concept shown in the OTL Nintendo series Battalion wars where you can give commands to your troops and hop around and personally command certain soldiers and their squads at a more intimate level. It also has things like morale and the like.
The 333rd also didn't defeat the 4th corps so much as they held off against them long enough for the Argentine 7th armoured division and the 5th Chilean Self Propelled Artillery brigade to arrive and break up the 4th corps' attack. This was done with a combination of superior positioning (attacking a settlement with a superior elevation to yours is miserable work), the poor state of most green guard formations in terms of both their commanders and their soldiers in that stage of the war, and the 333rd being some of the most hardcore soldiers of the South American war. And even then they suffered enormous casualty rates and the unit took more than a year before it recovered enough to be sent to some of the dying action in Europe and then to the last combat operations of the war in operation Damocles to take down Japan.
And we've had an extra year of brutal warfare on the eastern front, as opposed to a month of fighting against Poland and France each plus a year of low casualty warfare against the British and two years of eastern front fighting.
Its arguably a miracle that the German war machine is actually functioning as well as it is and I wonder how long they can hold out.
teg
Well they went into total war production much earlier and thanks to Ford and other American traitors and Franco-British investment their economy is much better geared for the realities of wars of production and their allies are generally stronger and more competent, with a more willing (and somewhat stronger) France on their side and a far more capable Italy being the big ones. Plus there's also a whole new theater to draw American production towards, though it's worth noting that in OTL World War 2, the USA never spent an entire year on a true total war footing. Similarly, Britain was rather weaker OTL, and the USSR's economy TTL is more modernized. The Allied induced collapse of Italy and liberation of France will be massive blows to the German war effort as it means Germany loses her two great power allies on the continent.
Similarly the fall of Falangist Spain means Germany loses its Tungsten supplies resulting in a noticeable drop in armour piercing ammunition and armour plating quality, the loss of Libya and then Romania starts a bad fuel crunch on the Axis war machine (somewhat mitigated by a more developed synthetic fuel industry), and when Finland and then Sweden flip sides to the Allies, Germany loses its planned final redoubt in Norway and also the incredibly vital Swedish Iron ore.
Basically, the defeat of the European axis is a study in how to dismember a superpower (as if the USSR and the British Empire could be considered superpowers; so could Nazi Germany; as they were well ahead of the lesser great powers like Japan, France, and Italy) in detail. Pick apart its network of allies who all contribute something important to its superpowerdom, exhaust its reserve of population and strength, and isolate it by turning its allies against it while pushing inside of its de jure territory.
Whereas the pacific war is a battle against a great power and its puppets and the south American war is a struggle against a regional giant and its cronies; the European war and its side fronts (North Africa and Western Asia) is a battle against a true superpower and its two great power allies (both of whom are comparable to Japan in power) and laundry list of smaller friends of varying importance.
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Redshank Galloglass
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One thing I've been thinking about is just how goddamn effective the Americans are in this TL. I mean, I know the Soviets are far better coordinated than they were in OTL, but it definitely seems like good old America is going to give the Nazis an even bigger battering than they did IRL. Which makes me realize that the Americans are going to be even more arrogant about their role in WW2 ITTL, with good reason.
Well I mean they're not just bankrolling, but outright fighting in four theaters (Anti-German, Anti-Italian, Anti-Japanese, and Anti-brazilian) and if you include volunteers, they've got troops in a whole bunch of fronts; East Africa, China, Eastern Europe, Western Asia, Columbia, the Southern Cone, the Andes, the Pacific, the air war against Germany and Italy, and the battle of the Atlantic.
America is the most powerful country on earth by far and they're going to make the fascist bloc very cognizant of that.
Bookmark1995
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Well, that feeling is far more justified for a reason: because ITTL, the Americans are fighting on the brutal Eastern front, to help their Soviet friends. They are part of the campaign that arguably was more important and harsh than D-Day.
Redshank Galloglass
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"America: furthering revolutionary Struggle through copious amounts of firepower" haha I love it.
Honestly I wish I lived in this world at times.
Though I'd probably end up being British, because if you checked the fanfic thread, my dad is a Scotsman who got deported along with my Dutch mom. (IRL my dad is American but my gramps is Scottish, he was a socialist but he left Britain for a better life in America. Since Britain didn't get fucked up as much in OTL I'm assuming he would stay. So in reality I'd have a 50/50 chance of being American or British depending on how my parents behave in the 80's.)
Redshank Galloglass
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So, regarding the Vladamir Lenin Tanks utilized by the Comintern: How do they compare to the actual IS tank family? They sound like much better versions of them TBH.
I'll admit, I've heard some bad things about the IS tank, especially the IS-3, as it apparently has "poor gun depression".
But I'll admit besides the late Cold War era I'm not much of a treadhead.
I'll admit, I've heard some bad things about the IS tank, especially the IS-3, as it apparently has "poor gun depression".
But I'll admit besides the late Cold War era I'm not much of a treadhead.
The VL-1 is like the IS-2.
The VL-2 is a bit of the IS-3 and a bit of the T-10
The VL-3 is basically the IS-7 with a better engine.