the level of detail you have is phenomenal!
We'll seeNavarre is in the shitter and I'm dying to see whether they make it out.
Which royal brothers? Edward and Richard of England or Charles and Pierre of Navarre?Hope Navarre survives and that the Royal brothers get the best matches.
Pere has some conflicting interests here, as he did in OTL. His daughter is queen consort of Castile with Juan's rise to power, but he didn't get nearly what he wanted out of the Trastámaras when he supported them over Pedro in the 60s and basically everyone in Iberia feared than Juan would continue Enrique II's expansionist policies. Will he want to keep his son-in-law in power in hopes that his daughter can be an effective representative for Aragon? Or will he take the opportunity to knock the Trastámarans down a peg? Or something else? I can't say before we get to EstellaI fear that Gaunt is going to derail the English war effort quite a tad... I wonder if Peter IV of Aragon could not be persuaded to join in against Castille to recover from all the troubles suffered during the war with Peter of Castille.
I was just going to post them as text and try to format them so that they're easily digestible. Probably threadmark two or three separate posts for each royal family (England and France), with each post focusing on a generation relevant to the story (i.e., the children of Edward III, the grandchildren of Edward III, the great-grandchildren of Edward III).P.S. what are you planning on using to make the family trees
Feel free man, i'm gonna listen.I was just going to post them as text and try to format them so that they're easily digestible. Probably threadmark two or three separate posts for each royal family (England and France), with each post focusing on a generation relevant to the story (i.e., the children of Edward III, the grandchildren of Edward III, the great-grandchildren of Edward III).
edit: I can show what I mean in DM if that description makes no sense as all
I know what you mean, the issue doing them in text is alignments can often goof up. That's why I stick to software ones heh, and hence the Q, as definitely found my favourite windows family tree software heh .I was just going to post them as text and try to format them so that they're easily digestible. Probably threadmark two or three separate posts for each royal family (England and France), with each post focusing on a generation relevant to the story (i.e., the children of Edward III, the grandchildren of Edward III, the great-grandchildren of Edward III).
edit: I can show what I mean in DM if that description makes no sense as all
This timeline intrigues me.Year of the Three Edwards
From alt-Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Year of the Three Edwards, or the Year of the Three Kings, refers to the year 1377 in English history. The year is considered memorable because of the deaths of two kings, leading to a rapid succession of three monarchs of the same name within the same year. The three different kings who ruled over England in 1377 were Edward III, Edward IV and Edward V.
Following the abdication of Edward II in 1327, Edward III became king of England at age 14. As the king was a minor, Edward III served as a figurehead for the rule of Roger Mortimer. Edward III took personal control of government in 1330 and reigned until his death in 1377. In that time, he led successful campaigns in Scotland and declared himself rightful heir to the French throne, setting off the Hundred Years War. His son, Edward of Woodstock, the Black Prince, was celebrated for his military actions and leadership during campaigns in France and Castile. The Black Prince commanded armies that won unlikely victories at the Battle of Poitiers in 1356 and Battle of Nájera in 1367. The Black Prince was 47 in 1377 and had two children. His heir apparent was Edward of Angoulême, age 12.
Edward III suffered a major stroke late in the spring of 1377 and died on 21 June. He was succeeded by the Black Prince, who became Edward IV when he assumed the throne. The military successes of his youth made Edward IV a popular figure with the higher nobility despite a recent feud with parliament , but he had been in ill health for nearly a decade by the time of his father's death.
Edward IV still accomplished some of his duties as king despite his illness. A coronation was planned for 6 August to coincide with the Feast of the Transfiguration. The traditional rubric for the coronation of an English king was revised to stress the authority of the monarch and consecrate the line of succession with the investiture of Angoulême as prince of Wales. Already too ill to ride a horse, the long ceremony so taxed the king's fragile health that he had to be wrapped in a cloth of gold and nailed into a carriage so that he did not topple over on the ride to the Tower from Westminster Abbey. He was bedridden for the remainder of his reign and died after 100 days of rule on 29 September . Angoulême then succeeded to the throne as Edward V.
The deaths of Edward III and Edward IV threw the kingdom into disarray. Edward III's health had appeared to be mending early in the spring, and he had been well enough in April to attend the annual festivities of the Order of the Garter, where he knighted his grandson, future Edward V. Edward IV had successfully hidden the seriousness of his condition since his return to England in 1371. He managed a practically vacant household and kept all but the most necessary figures away, appearing in public only in times of improved health. His attendance of the 1376 parliament had given him the appearance of a healthy man. Their deaths in quick succession therefore shocked the country, depressing English morale amid renewed hostilities with France and causing legal chaos, as writs issued in their names to diplomats and military commanders carried no authority after their deaths.
The succession of the 12-year-old Edward V required a regency government . In accordance with plans drawn up by Edward IV before his death, the responsibilities for the government and person of Edward V were divided between two of Edward IV's surviving brothers: John of Gaunt was made lord regent and managed the government of the realm while Edmund of Langley was made lord protector and managed the welfare of Edward V as the king's guardian.
"What the $#@! did I just read?" -- that's what you're probably asking yourself right now.
This is my first timeline on the board and I am attempting to write it as if we're falling down a "click hole" on an ATL Wikipedia. What is a "click hole?" If you're unfamiliar with the term, then let us consult the experts at Urban Dictionary:
All of us history nuts have fallen down click holes on Wikipedia and stayed up way too late into the night reading linked articles. I love/hate falling down click holes, and I want to try and recreate that experience in alternate history. Here's how it will work:
Now, full disclaimer, I do plan on putting some guardrails on this with regard to where it goes. You won't see me linking to things so that we end up reading about the alt history development of the internal combustion engine. The links will stay clustered around characters and events near the POD and slowly branch out with time, depending on what I think might be interesting.
- I will post an update to this thread in the style of a Wikipedia article from this alternate history, going into detail on a particular person or event from this timeline.
- In each "article"/update, I will link to a few other "articles" that you can click on -- just as you would on Wikipedia today. Those links will take you to a poll where you can vote for which of these articles you'd like to read next. That poll will determine the next update that I post to the thread. (Note: In this first post, I've simply put a link to the poll below this explainer.)
- Each link will have a footnote, previewing what each of the articles would be about.
- Over time, these alt-Wikipedia articles will fit together to paint a picture of this alternate history as I imagine it.
As you can see from the first post above, our point of departure is that Edward of Angoulême survives. I consider this to be single point departure from our timeline, with the Black Prince living into 1377 being a butterfly of him not having to deal with the grief of losing a son on top of his personal health and political failings in this era. (I posed a PC thread about this a while back.)
So, to where are we going next as we stumble down the click hole? The three options for the next update are:
 Bad Parliament: A look back at what effect the survival of the Black Prince had on the final year of Edward III's reign.
 Prince in the Tower/King of the Hundred Days: A closer look at the 100-day reign of the Black
PrinceKing and the coronation that ultimately killed him.
 Regency era: A look at the early years of Edward V's reign under the regency of John of Gaunt. (Since Edward is only 12, covering the full minority would be quite long, so this may only end up detailing the first few years or focused on just one aspect of his minority, like perhaps the war in France.)
Vote for where you'd like to go next here. The poll will be open until I next have time (and interest) to write.
(edit 1 (10 Mar): I realize that option two  had a different name on here than it did on the poll, as I changed it just before publishing. I've listed them both here now.)
(edit 2 (14 Mar): Voting is now closed. Thank you all who participated.)
(edit 3 (8 Apr): Typos.
Much like a black hole, but for the Internet. One click leads you to the next which leads you to the next which leads into the next. And the next thing you know, eight hours has passed and you don't exactly know how you got where you are.