The limber is likely further away from the gun than the ammunition stored in a tank so it evens out once the towed gun's ready use rounds are used up.
Sir John Valentine Carden Survives. Part 2.
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Assuming the rounds haven't been off-loaded from the limber, but I think they probably would have been, both to make them easier to access, and less likely to be taken out by a stray shell.
They failed to notice all the cans had been opened (and probably p**sed on?) Which is why "living off the land" is a bad idea because your enemy can always clear away or sabotage what your planning to steal before you get to it.
Well, assuming said enemy is disciplined enough, and has enough morale to not panic.
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Which those Aussies clearly were. Food poisoning for breakfast, lunch and dinner I assume?
Vegemite is the superior of the two and I grew up eating both. NZ marmite is too sweet and UK marmite looks like Nutella.
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The arrival of the newest convoy in Singapore, has effectively sealed the fate of the Japanese in Malaya. It has also shown the weakness of the Japanese in comparison to OTL, and the strength of the British ITTL. IOTL the British didn’t have the resources to spare, given their commitments in North Africa, and even if they had had the resources, given the situation in Singapore, they would not have been able to land them. ITTL, not only have the British maintained their defensive line against the Japanese invasion, but have managed to counterattack, while most importantly retaining control over the civilian population. Unlike IOTL, were there was a total collapse of civilian control, and Singapore was subjected to ever increasing air attacks. ITTL Singapore has managed to maintain its port in a working order, and deal with the Japanese air assault. And thus the British have been able to bring in a major convoy without loss, and unload a significant quantity of supplies also without loss.
So while the British have seen Hong Kong captured by the Japanese, not that they expected to be able to retain it. They have been able to resist the subsequent invasion of Malaya, to the extent that the invasion of Burma has been effectively put on hold. Unlike the Americans, the totally different situation in the Far East, in regards to Naval Forces disposition and strength, has meant that the British have not suffered the same embarrassing and crushing defeat, that was Pearl Harbour. As already said the British have been able to maintain control over the civilian population in Burma, Malaya and Singapore, which they failed to do IOTL. They have also carried out two counterattacks, in Burma and Malaya, both of which have enjoyed a measure of success, with the one in Burma enabling an air bridge to be restored between India and Malaysia. In addition the better performance of the British to date, will mean that the Indian Quit India movement, will not have the motivation or support it did IOTL. Which will mean that the British will not need to retain the forces in India, to maintain civilian control that they did IOTL, and thus have more freedom to deploy Indian troops in support of the British efforts in the Far East. Remember the Burma campaign IOTL was mostly fought with Indian troops, and managed to tie down more Japanese forces than were fighting the Americans up until mid 1944.
While the Japanese at great cost have managed to basically capture Borneo, they haven’t taken the vital oil fields intact. And any further action against either Sumatra or Java stand little chance of success, as do operations against Papua New Guinea. The biggest challenge/threat to the British will come from the ever increasing demands from MacArthur, that the British do something to pull his chestnuts out of the Fire, and that he be given overall command of all forces in the region. And the combination of his personal media cheerleaders, plus the fact that FDR would rather have Doug as far away as possible, will make this a bone of contention between the British and Americans. The better performance of the British, and the fact that by the end of 1942, while the Japanese will have captured Borneo, and be fighting a savage guerrilla warfare campaign, against British and Dutch special forces. They the Japanese will have been removed from both Malaya and Burma, and now fighting in Thailand and FIC, to try and prevent the British from advancing to China. They will have failed to capture Sumatra, Java or Papua New Guinea, and the threat to Australia and New Zealand, will have been removed. However the problems with America will have become more evident, as the divergence between events IOTL and those of TTL become more evident. Starting with the fall of the Philippines, and the evacuation of his highness MacArthur.
While the British couldn’t care less what happens to Doug, FDR can not afford for him to become ether a dead/captured martyr, or for him to turn up in the States as a major political rival. Nor are the British going to be very accommodating to MacArthur being given a serious command role, in what they regard as their spear of influence. There is also going to be a conflict between the USN and the RN, over areas of responsibility. With the conflict in the Mediterranean over and the Italian fleet surrendered, other than a small group of capital ships retained to counter the German capital ships in Norwegian waters. And a few old R-Class battleships held back for shore bombardment duties, the majority of the British heavy units can now be based out of Singapore. And this will mean two major fleets in the Far East/Pacific region, a British led Far East fleet and an American led Pacific fleet. The big problem comes when the Americans decide to liberate the Philippines, which will require major cooperation with the British. Note the logical thing to do is make use of the by now secure major fleet base and extensive anchorage available at Singapore. However this will require the cooperation of the British, something that Admiral King is not going to be happy with. While there is no doubt that by 1943, the American Pacific Fleet will not only outnumber the British Far East Fleet, but it will also be quantifiable better. With newer and better built ships and aircraft, along with a very efficient fleet train, and a much stronger logistics capability. However the British fleet will be operating primarily in the South China Sea, will not require as much logistical support as the American Pacific Fleet operating in the wide open Pacific Ocean. It will only be when the British and Americans, start to try to operate in cooperation of the Japanese homeland, that the principal difficulties will finally have to resolved.
RR.
So while the British have seen Hong Kong captured by the Japanese, not that they expected to be able to retain it. They have been able to resist the subsequent invasion of Malaya, to the extent that the invasion of Burma has been effectively put on hold. Unlike the Americans, the totally different situation in the Far East, in regards to Naval Forces disposition and strength, has meant that the British have not suffered the same embarrassing and crushing defeat, that was Pearl Harbour. As already said the British have been able to maintain control over the civilian population in Burma, Malaya and Singapore, which they failed to do IOTL. They have also carried out two counterattacks, in Burma and Malaya, both of which have enjoyed a measure of success, with the one in Burma enabling an air bridge to be restored between India and Malaysia. In addition the better performance of the British to date, will mean that the Indian Quit India movement, will not have the motivation or support it did IOTL. Which will mean that the British will not need to retain the forces in India, to maintain civilian control that they did IOTL, and thus have more freedom to deploy Indian troops in support of the British efforts in the Far East. Remember the Burma campaign IOTL was mostly fought with Indian troops, and managed to tie down more Japanese forces than were fighting the Americans up until mid 1944.
While the Japanese at great cost have managed to basically capture Borneo, they haven’t taken the vital oil fields intact. And any further action against either Sumatra or Java stand little chance of success, as do operations against Papua New Guinea. The biggest challenge/threat to the British will come from the ever increasing demands from MacArthur, that the British do something to pull his chestnuts out of the Fire, and that he be given overall command of all forces in the region. And the combination of his personal media cheerleaders, plus the fact that FDR would rather have Doug as far away as possible, will make this a bone of contention between the British and Americans. The better performance of the British, and the fact that by the end of 1942, while the Japanese will have captured Borneo, and be fighting a savage guerrilla warfare campaign, against British and Dutch special forces. They the Japanese will have been removed from both Malaya and Burma, and now fighting in Thailand and FIC, to try and prevent the British from advancing to China. They will have failed to capture Sumatra, Java or Papua New Guinea, and the threat to Australia and New Zealand, will have been removed. However the problems with America will have become more evident, as the divergence between events IOTL and those of TTL become more evident. Starting with the fall of the Philippines, and the evacuation of his highness MacArthur.
While the British couldn’t care less what happens to Doug, FDR can not afford for him to become ether a dead/captured martyr, or for him to turn up in the States as a major political rival. Nor are the British going to be very accommodating to MacArthur being given a serious command role, in what they regard as their spear of influence. There is also going to be a conflict between the USN and the RN, over areas of responsibility. With the conflict in the Mediterranean over and the Italian fleet surrendered, other than a small group of capital ships retained to counter the German capital ships in Norwegian waters. And a few old R-Class battleships held back for shore bombardment duties, the majority of the British heavy units can now be based out of Singapore. And this will mean two major fleets in the Far East/Pacific region, a British led Far East fleet and an American led Pacific fleet. The big problem comes when the Americans decide to liberate the Philippines, which will require major cooperation with the British. Note the logical thing to do is make use of the by now secure major fleet base and extensive anchorage available at Singapore. However this will require the cooperation of the British, something that Admiral King is not going to be happy with. While there is no doubt that by 1943, the American Pacific Fleet will not only outnumber the British Far East Fleet, but it will also be quantifiable better. With newer and better built ships and aircraft, along with a very efficient fleet train, and a much stronger logistics capability. However the British fleet will be operating primarily in the South China Sea, will not require as much logistical support as the American Pacific Fleet operating in the wide open Pacific Ocean. It will only be when the British and Americans, start to try to operate in cooperation of the Japanese homeland, that the principal difficulties will finally have to resolved.
RR.
Which are both food products commonly eaten by British people and their former colonials. I should know, having grown up on Marmite.
To get us away from food, can I say I always thought the 3.7" Indian army mountain gun/howitzer would have made an excellent gun on early WW2 tanks. Could it have been fitted to OTL Matilda and Valentine and TTL Valiant? Possibly supplementary to 6pr equipped Valiant/Victors.
Look, if it is commonly eaten by British people it is not food. Protein, maybe but food? No. Everyone not british who had the misfortune to eat british "food" acknowledges this.
I ate too many marmite, cheese and lettuce sandwiches growing up to take any lessons from you!
That being said, I would eat this.
Stuff
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Assuming you're talking about this weapon, it was used on the CS variants of the A9 and A10 tanks.