Roma Renovata est: A Roman TL

The Fate of Geiseric's Other Sons

  • They are captured by Majorian

    Votes: 203 68.8%
  • They escape to the Vandal occupied islands

    Votes: 92 31.2%

  • Total voters
    295
Happy birthday,

I don't see the visigoths helping him, if anything the romans would use them harboring traitors as casus belli and stomp them out.Ricimer can't get help from inside Rome, and the other fronts are "secured" for now, so if anything going on a conquest now is a good idea, unless I'm missing something.
 
Happy birthday. But also, prequel memes.

Majorian: The attempt on my life has left me scarred, but I assure you my resolve has never been stronger.
 
Happy Birthday.

I really don't see what can Ricimer accomplish by joining the Visigoths after being discovered...who will want him around in Rome?
 
36: The Timer Begins
A/N: Hello all, I'm here with another chapter. Thank for all the 'happy birthday's you have given me. Now only another 364 days until the next one. Ha Ha. Well, now we move on to Ricimer, and his plans to dispose of Majorian. The gears of wars are beginning to turn. How will things play out? We shall see...

The Timer Begins

467 AD


Ricimer would finally find his way into the Visigothic Kingdom in early January of It had been a very hard ride, having to slip past several sets of guards and inspections to reach the Visigothic Kingdom. In the process, half of his procession had been arrested, Ricimer only escaped as he had managed to distance himself from the ones caught.

When at the outer regions of the Visigothic Kingdom, Ricimer wrote a letter to the Visigothic King, requesting an audience. It took two weeks for Ricimer to recieve any word back. The king had decided to hear what the (former) Magister Militum had to say. Ricimer then began to lay his plans down, using aby means he could to get as good of a layout of the palace as possible. He was aware of the possibility of this being a trap, one that would see him sent back to Majorian in a cage. He needed to increase his chances of escape if it was indeed a trap.

On the 25th January, Ricimer would arrive at King Euric's palace for a fateful meeting.

Ricimer explained why he was there; how he had been "unlawfully discharged" by the emperor, and how he had come to ask or support and taking down the emperor. Euric simply asked why he should do so. Ricimer then used his connections as a Visigothic prince, connecting his lineage back to the Visigothic King Wallia as a reason to help, sneaking in that he had an arguably better claim to the throne than Euric.

Euric wasn't phased by Ricimer and what rather annoyed by Ricimers incinuation. He was about to give the order to drag Ricimer away, when Ricimer began to appeal to his pride.

Ricimer stated that if Euric helped him, he would have the chance to definitively prove himself better than Majorian. Euric, intrigued, simply asked him to explain. He then details Theodoric II's consistant failures in defeating Majorian, how he had lost most of the Visigoth's kingdom to the Restitutor Occidentalis. He would then explain reason why, namely, the lack of man who has been on the inside. With how well he knew Majorian, he could pinpoint how best to get at the emperor.

If he helped Ricimer, he would have the chance to cement himself as the true king of the Visigoths.

When the meeting was over, Euric began to think on Ricimer's words. His logical side told him to simply send Ricimer back to Majorian. But his pride keep whispering in his ear, telling him to regain the honour of the Visigoths.

A few days after the meeting, on the 29th January, Ricimer would recieve a letter, stating he would be lended 5,000 Visigothic soldiers. Euric wanted to test the waters, to see if Ricimer would be successful before going all in. Ricimers plans were beginning to shape up. Now, he turned his other half: The Suebi.

Meanwhile, Majorian installed Gaudentius as Magister Militum, returning to Ravenna to clear his mind and be with his family. During this time, Eudocia would go into labour against. This time, it was a daughter, named Julia Eudoxia, based on the name of her grandmother.

He enjoyed being there for his new daughter, as well as his young sons. Despite this he could not take his mind off of Ricimer. He knew he would need to deal with him sooner, rather than later.

Soon after, he would gather his allies to discuss their course of action. All of them would then go off and gather their armies, ready to defend their lands. Majorian, in turn, began to venture down to the Visigothic Kingdom, where he was most likely at.

The gears of war were in full motion now, as the two sides gathered for the fight of their lives.

A/N: And that is it for this Chapter, I hope you all enjoyed. Ricimer has begun to act, gathering an army to oppose the emperor. Who will succeed in this game of life? Only one way to find out. Thank you all for reading this series, the feedback is much appreciated. See you next chapter!
 
37: Preparations
A/N: Hello all! I'm back with another Chapter! Ricimer now heads towards the Suebi to gather up his army. Will Majorian be able to stop him. Only one way to find out.

Preparations

Ricimer had begun to put his plans into motion, he let most of the Visigoths under his command stay as they were, taking only a couple of dozen for safety reasons. Ricimer then began his crossing through the land of Vasconia to the Suebic Kingdom in order to rally further support for taking on Majorian. He knew that if he could rally enough soldiers for the time being, he could at least defeat Nepotianus, allowing for the Suebi and Bisigoths to retake Hispania. That would be his best chance to gain the full support of his potential allies.

Meanwhile, Majorian arrived at the Visigothic capital with the Legio I Augusta and Legio III Aureliana in tow, demanding an audience with the Visigothic King. He would continue his march to the Visigoths. On the 4th February he would storm into the Royal Palace of Euric, demanding to know where Ricimer was. The King was shocked at the boldness of the Emperor to burst into his throne room. He had given warning that he would be travelling to the Kingdom, but this was still definately unexpect. Majorian didn't care though, he was furious at how Ricimer escaped, he needed to find the traitor, before he rallied soldiers to his cause.

Euric then decided to lie to Majorian, in order to throw off the trail. He told Majorian that Ricimer hadn't gone into the Visigothic Kingdom. He stated that Ricimer likely headed to the Burgundian Kingdom. He did have a brother-in-law for a king there afterall.

Majorian decided to be cautious, he sent out half of the Legio I Augusta to try and track down Ricimer there, whilst the rest of the army circled around to the Burgundian Kingdom. He was not going to leave anything to chance. He woild make sure that Ricimer was brought to him in a cage for his crimes against Rome.

Back with Ricimer, he would reach the Seubic Kingdom of February 17th. There, he would meet the Suebic King Remismund, who had taken power in 464. Remismund was slightly easier to convince than the Visigoths, having not suffered as recent nor as painful defeats to Majorian as the Visigoths had, making them more open to the idea of opposing the emperor. By the end of this interaction, Ricimer had gained another 7,000 soldier, bringing his current total to 12,000 soldiers ready to fight for him.

Ricimer now set his sights on Nepotianus. He knew that Neoptianus's army was still recovering ftom nearly being wiped out by the Visigoths the previous year, now having 11,000 soldiers. Ricimer knew he could gain victory over Nepotianus right now. However, if he wanted to avoid crippling his new army, he would have to play his cards very carefully.

War was shaping up for all sides, the opening act about to begin.

A/N: And that is all for now! I hope you all enjoyed this chapter. The feedback is always appreciated. See you next Chapter.
 
So kings give him thkusands of their own soldiers on the off chance that Ricimer would give them some thing? XD
Gotta admire that confidence, casus belli coming all around
 
So kings give him thkusands of their own soldiers on the off chance that Ricimer would give them some thing? XD
Gotta admire that confidence, casus belli coming all around
More that they can use the oppertunity a proper civil war between the Romans to gain back old territory. Rather than put most of their army into conquest, their sending out a portion of their army to bolster Ricimers, so that the Roman weaken themselves. Lord knows they couldn't do it with a Rome at full strength.
 
More that they can use the oppertunity a proper civil war between the Romans to gain back old territory. Rather than put most of their army into conquest, their sending out a portion of their army to bolster Ricimers, so that the Roman weaken themselves. Lord knows they couldn't do it with a Rome at full strength.
At the end of the day, those soldiers aren't romans, so I wouldn't call it a civil war, Majorian could smash that army and choose to blame only the visigoths.Basically dividing that little bit of cooperation they have by giving them an out.

edit. since most of them weren't actually expecting it to suceed they would choose the path of least resistance , aka accepting the "olive branch" and denying having anything to do wih that shit.
 
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At the end of the day, those soldiers aren't romans, so I wouldn't call it a civil war, Majorian could smash that army and choose to blame only the visigoths.Basically dividing that little bit of cooperation they have by giving them an out.

edit. since most of them weren't actually expecting it to suceed they would choose the path of least resistance , aka accepting the "olive branch" and denying having anything to do wih that shit.
Well, not yet...
 
38: First Strike
A/N: Hello all, I am back with another Chapter! It's been a bit since the last chapter, but I'm back now with another chapter. The Civil War has begun (though it technically not a real Civil War yet), now who will be the one to make the first move? Only one way to find out...

First Strike

Ricimer was ready to make his first move against Rome. He knew that the whole operation was risky, but at this point, it was his only way out of a swift execution. Luckily for him, he would only have to focus on defeating Western Rome. The Eastern half of the Empire was still preoccupied with reconquering Dacia, something that they had been doing since late 463. Still, it would be hard to defeat even the Western Army, which had grown to be a considerably mighty force. Though still a shadow of it's former glory, the now revitalized army would be more than capable of destroying his new army with ease if properly mobilized.

However, Ricimer knew that not all of the legions were completely loyal . In particular some in the Legio IV Italica had grown dissatisfied with the lack of action. While the other legions, especially the 3 main legions, were gaining glory against the enemies of Rome, the most the legion of Italy itself got was fending off pirates on the mediterranean. Many of the soldiers were itching for battle, at whatever cost nessesary. Majorian haf tried to mitigate this by switching around soldiers in order to solve this, but it had not fully gotten rid of the issue. Many saw working in the Legio IV as a demotion from being even in the other defensive legions, nevermind the main 3. These soldiers were loking for a proper fight, not to mention that many were personally loyal to Ricimer from him working as the Magister Militum.

But he still needed to show that he was capable of pulling off a victory. Not only to secure the loyalty of at least some of the IV Legion, bu also the secure the backing of his Visigothic and Suebic sponsors. But Ricimer knew he wouldn't have to wait long for that oppertunity. Nepotianus was marching North to inspect Hispania. Ricimer planned to catch the Nepotianus's forces near Ceasaraugusta. Which would allow Ricimer to get to the city before Nepotianus, as well as allow both armies to converge.

On the 2nd of March, Ricimer would begin the march to Ceasaraugusta, officially beginning what would become known as The Grand Roman Civil War. On the 4th March, Ricimer would arrive near the city alongside his Suebic forces, followed shortly by his Visigothic ones. He would start on one side of the Iberus River, with half his cavalry hidden as best as possible on the other side.

Nepotianus would arrive only a few days later on the 7th March, his arriving sparking the beginning of the Civil War's first battle: The Battle of the Iberus River. The Cavalry waited in position to strike. But right before they were close enough, they were spotted. They not had two options; retreat or charge. They charged, crashing into the cavalry forces. Whilst the infantry had gotten ready, Nepotianus's cavalry was still unprepared for the charge, and so many of Nepotianus's cavalrymen were diced up by Ricimer's.

Ricimer's cavalry then turned and fled across the river, having done their job. Now Nepotianus's Cavalry had been crippled, now Ricimer had the better cavalry. The rest of the day would be spent with the two armies on either side of the river, with both sides taking potshots at each other with arrows, though the Cavalry of Ricimer had the superior reach of arrowfire to Nepotianus's (now) mainly infantry archers.

The next day, the armies would continue the staring contest for the first few hours. This would change when Ricimer heard news that Majorian was heading to Hispania. Ricimer could not afford to wait much longer. If Majorian got to Hispania before he could finish off Nepotianus, then he risked getting caught in a pinser. Ricimer pulled back to regroup and keep his plans hidden. He ordered his infantry across the lake to split and cross the lake on either side of Nepotianus's army, keeping the cavalry back. The infantry was able to make it across before Nepotianus could respond. Now seeing Ricimers strategy, he split his into three, two bigger groups to deal with the infantry, and a smaller group to hold off the cavalry. The two sides clashed for hours more. Eventually, Ricimer ordered the cavalry across the river. Ricimer's Cavalry was able to break through the soldier sent to hold them back before splitting and charging into Nepotianus's forces, many scattered at this, their will finally broken. The rest of the army were cut down or captured, Nepotianus fought on bravely, but the numbers were too great, and eventually he fell as well.

The Battle of the Iberis River was a decisive victory for Ricimer. 4,500 of Nepotianus's forces were killed, 3,000 captured. Ricimer lost around 1,500 soldiers. Not ideal, but ut did the job well enough.

Majorian would recieve the news on the 10th March. He took a moment to mourn a fallen ally before readying himself for battle against a former friend.

A/N: And that is all for now, I hope you all enjoyed. Sorry for the wait, I've had other work to do, but I've found the time now. Thank you all for reading this series so far, it has been great writing it. The feedback is always appreciated. See you next Chapter!
 
All of the local kings giving Ricimer their forces sounds a bit far-fetched, I have to agree with the other posters.
Also, how is Ricimer a former Magister Militum? His name sounds Gothic...
 
All of the local kings giving Ricimer their forces sounds a bit far-fetched, I have to agree with the other posters.
Also, how is Ricimer a former Magister Militum? His name sounds Gothic...
You are probably right that it is a bit far-fetched, but I like to think of it as letting someone else do the hard part, then clean up the rest to reap the rewards.

Also, you would be right that Ricimer is Gothic, a Suebi-Visigoth specifically. However, he was the Magister Militum IOTL, essentially acting as the power behind the throne. It was because of his heritage that he could only be Magister Militum, rather than the actual Emperor, as only someone with Roman heritage would be accepted. He is a former Magister Militum, as he has now been fired from his spot as the Magister Militum (per Italia) due to his betrayal of Majorian and his subsequent fleeing of Italy.
 
So a legion would suposely betray their homeland, because they want a fight? and cause the guy used to pay them?(nevermind that someone else is paying them now). Curious about how stupid you'd have to be to rebel while your family is miles away and would prob get executed if you turned traitor.
Atleast find a good excuse if you want a civil war, cause entire roman legions defecting to a barbarian , and the average roman didn't like those, makes no sense. The fact Ricimer keeps roling nat 100 in luck for decades is getting ridicolous too. First he somehow manages to keep all the shit he does from everyone loyal to Majorian , for decades, and every random glory/gold seeker that would totes sell the guy for benefits(obviously no one does cause Ricimer has absolute loyalty in this TL). Then everyone in the entire army follows the order to abandon their emperor in battle.Followed by no one keeping close tabs on him since aparently kiling the emperor is easy to pull of and he has the best spy network in existence. After somehow, taking a small escort and escaping from an entire country(italy) he totes manages to go galivating across europe and convince people he never met before, to trust him with thousands of troops. Cause obviously that has no chance of backfiring, and Ricimer is known for his high as f* honor and will surely honor the deal. Those thousands of troops have no opinion or actual life either so they are happy to follow this random Roman dude(as far as they are concerned) and fight in battles with people , from other f*ing kingdoms. Guess Ricimer is also a godlike comander since he can easily lead diverse people in his army with no probs or mention of the fights that would erupt between foreigners when put close to each other.He also is a better strategist then Roman generals that spent their (most likely) entire lifes in the army. Cause actual experience is trumped by the best kind of armor, the plot kind.
And now he is , probably , also so great an orator and ghad that he considers turning legiond rouge, from Majorian "I restored this fu* Empire but no one minds just betraying me for no reason", cause they aparently owe their loyalty to this guy, good thing Majorian never had reason to suspect he wanted to kill him otherwise this isue would have been adressed, even lukier that no one thought to mention or try to curb his influence. I would start suspecting the other so called friends he has at this point since they are either dead in their head or treacherous.
rant over.
 
So a legion would suposely betray their homeland, because they want a fight? and cause the guy used to pay them?(nevermind that someone else is paying them now). Curious about how stupid you'd have to be to rebel while your family is miles away and would prob get executed if you turned traitor.
Atleast find a good excuse if you want a civil war, cause entire roman legions defecting to a barbarian , and the average roman didn't like those, makes no sense. The fact Ricimer keeps roling nat 100 in luck for decades is getting ridicolous too. First he somehow manages to keep all the shit he does from everyone loyal to Majorian , for decades, and every random glory/gold seeker that would totes sell the guy for benefits(obviously no one does cause Ricimer has absolute loyalty in this TL). Then everyone in the entire army follows the order to abandon their emperor in battle.Followed by no one keeping close tabs on him since aparently kiling the emperor is easy to pull of and he has the best spy network in existence. After somehow, taking a small escort and escaping from an entire country(italy) he totes manages to go galivating across europe and convince people he never met before, to trust him with thousands of troops. Cause obviously that has no chance of backfiring, and Ricimer is known for his high as f* honor and will surely honor the deal. Those thousands of troops have no opinion or actual life either so they are happy to follow this random Roman dude(as far as they are concerned) and fight in battles with people , from other f*ing kingdoms. Guess Ricimer is also a godlike comander since he can easily lead diverse people in his army with no probs or mention of the fights that would erupt between foreigners when put close to each other.He also is a better strategist then Roman generals that spent their (most likely) entire lifes in the army. Cause actual experience is trumped by the best kind of armor, the plot kind.
And now he is , probably , also so great an orator and ghad that he considers turning legiond rouge, from Majorian "I restored this fu* Empire but no one minds just betraying me for no reason", cause they aparently owe their loyalty to this guy, good thing Majorian never had reason to suspect he wanted to kill him otherwise this isue would have been adressed, even lukier that no one thought to mention or try to curb his influence. I would start suspecting the other so called friends he has at this point since they are either dead in their head or treacherous.
rant over.
Oh geez, I'm sorry I f'ed up this bad. I've always tried to keep it as balanced between accuracy to history and good story as possible, it seems I have failed in that regard.

I've tried looking at how the soldiers and people of Rome at that time and what they were like and how they would be given the time of the current point. I looked at how it was only 7 years from the timeline divergence, and that whilst it is enough time to increase patriotism for Rome, but not enough that loyalty to the emperor would overshadow personal loyalty.

I've clearly made an error in how I have both overestimate and underestimated several things. For that I am sincerly sorry, and I will try to be better in future. I can't promise that I will, but I will try.
 
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