Reich Turbulent (formerly named Der Rote Kampfflieger) - An Axis Victory TL

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BlackDragon98

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Drizzt said:
Could you give us a summary of the changes, when you update a chapter?
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Sure, though I dunno if this summary is long enough for you.

Chapter 3: Added 3rd person view story about Maximilian Erwin von Scheubner-Richter's time as in the Eiserne Division. Also added section about the Eiserne Division, Prussian Cossacks, and their effect on Germany and the Baltics.

Chapter 6: Added to 3rd person view story about Hitler; address what he did after the war and what lead him to join the DAP. Also added section on how the Sturmabteilung (SA) was first formed.

I'm still working on updates for Chapters 4 and minor updates/slight modifications to Chapters 7, 8,9, and 10. Chapter
 
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Tenebris said:
What about dietrich eckart, a member of the thule society? You know looking at the fact that in otl emil maurice was one of hitler's friends and how gave status to some as 'honorary aryans' it'd be more interesting if this version put more emphasis on Pan-Germanic and Nationalist sentiment, you know less anti-semiteism and more Militarism, like "if the jews socialists capitalist blah blah blah are truly loyal they will fight loyal and die for the Fatherland" or something like that. Also about the SA-SS thing i'm curious but must there always be a night of long knives?In this Fic it seems like the night of the long knives could be either avoided or less bloody,like make him practice diplomacy with the SA which together with all the militias in the early days had defended germany's borders and the Reichswehr or something.

Like reading wikpedia there is stuff about how heydrich,himmler,goebbels and goring basically conspired to dispose of rohm. Couldn't there be something in this wherein hitler Forces them all to work together and subsequently through a series of events including personal leadership ability learned from leading the early NSDAP not have that Fucking incompetent eye-watering clusterfuck that was the Oberkommando Wehrmacht-Heer Competition and the fact that goring was iotl a horrible chief of the air force.

Oh right And manfred is still alive in this isn't he? i'd forgotten that he was the POD.
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He's included in the list of important Nazis seated at the long table in Chapter 10.
"Once he was seated, Hitler gazed down the table at those in attendance. On his right, from closest to furthest were: Hans Frank, Dietrich Eckart, Rudolf Höß, Peter von Heydebreck, Josef "Sepp" Dietrich, Gottfried Feder, Hermann Esser, Ernst Hanfstaengl, Rudolf Hess, Rudolf Jung, Robert Ley.(3)"

Emil Maurice was an exception and compared to others, he only a single Jewish great-grandparent. Other "Mischlinge" like Erhard Milch and Bernhard Rogge are also exceptions, useful people that their bosses wanted to keep. I won't spoil the rest but keep in mind that Nazis will be Nazis, at least in my stories.

About the SA and the SS... Wait and see. :p

OKW will have to be better ITTL if Germany is to stand a chance against their foes.

Manfred is still alive and well, living the good life in Denver. Colorado. Won't see much of him for a while.
 

Praetor98

I would advise him adopting a similar structure to the Soviet Union in that his power is based on a triangular system. The Party, the SS and the Army.
 
BlackDragon98

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I'll be updating chapter 4 in a few days time.
Oskar's story will be changed a snapshot of urban combat; the suppression of the Bavarian Soviet Republic.
Busy time at work, with more shifts than usual. This tends to throw off my writing schedule.

-Black Dragon
 

Jürgen

A few thoughts this Hitler will be pretty different from OTL, instead of being a crazed leader of small radical movement through the twenties, he will be widely respected and his inner circle won’t be OTL crazies and soldier of fortunes, instead there will be several more types like Göring (who was something of a dove) to give the movement respectability. I expect ”Mein Kampf” to be quite different likely written together with other people and it will likely have a more coherent ideological narrative. Hitler being a real someone in German politics will likely also make him more a real politician with a better understanding of governance and economics (which could increase German industrial output), and more likely to include more diverse people in his government, but also more likely to after he have gotten power to keep a the Weimar institution and powerless opposition around.

But here‘s another aspect Hitler’s lack of connection to the establishment allowed them to reform the army, here the traditional army will likely stay around.

At last the whole Silesian situation likely mean a avoidance of the whole hyperinflation crisis in 1923, which will make Germany far more able to deal with the Great Depression by expanding the capital supply.

All in all what I’m seeing right now is Hitler is much more on his way to become a German Mussolini than OTL Hitler.
 
ReconGuy02

ReconGuy02

I am still not sure about how more competent Luftwaffe can win the war for Axis TTL. It does not solve any of fundamental problems that European Axis had.
 
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StealthyMarat said:
I am still not sure about how more competent Luftwaffe can win the war for Axis TTL. It does not solve any of fundamental problems that European Axis had.
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I think this is leading to a world where Germany is able to achieve peace with the British then turning on the Russians/Soviets.

Long term I don't think this Reich will be stable enough to stand the test of time, but it will create a Germany that most likely will fit the mold of OTL USSR/Russia. I.e. a nation that rose to being a superpower as a dictatorship then moved to be a democracy. Well possibly maintaining its superpower status unlike OTL Russia.
 

Gudestein

StealthyMarat said:
It won't happen. And for the love of God, do not bump threads like those. I thought OP posted an update ...
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The hopes were high. I will only say that this TL have started out really well creativity wise and updates are missed. I have a rough draft that uses some ideas from this one. Particularly the Silesian question and Hitler with new friends.
No idea when it will start though. It takes time.
 
A Farewell and A Beginning
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    After a long absence, I have returned, bearing important news.
    This story has not been abandoned, in case you were all wondering.
    In fact, it has been expanded from a simple TL into a three book trilogy.

    The names of the three books (in order of publication) will be:
    -Reich Turbulent (Covering the years 1917 to 1931)
    -Reich Resurgent (Covering the years 1931 to 1939)
    -Reich Ascendant (Covering the years 1939 to 1947)

    As well, I am officially moving platforms from AH to The Sietch.
    You can find all of my works in the Sietch, as my threads here on AH will no longer be updated.
    Below is a link to the Sietch.

    The Sietch

    A Refuge In Times Of Trouble
    www.the-sietch.com

    And now, for my third and final announcement.
    I will not longer be doing regular updates in my new thread at the Sietch as this is no longer a TL but an actual novel series.
    However, sample chapters and supplementary materials will still be posted.
    I plan for the first book, "Reich Turbulent" to be published some time in 2023 if all goes well.

    And that's all everyone!
    Thank you for supporting my work and I hope to see many of you at the Sietch.
    -Black Dragon
     
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    BlackDragon98 said:
    In fact, it has been expanded from a simple TL into a three book trilogy.

    The names of the three books (in order of publication) will be:
    -Reich Turbulent (Covering the years 1917 to 1931)
    -Reich Resurgent (Covering the years 1931 to 1939)
    -Reich Ascendant (Covering the years 1939 to 1947)
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    Congrats man! I wish you well in your new writing career.
     
    BlackDragon98

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    Hohensaufen said:
    Can you send a link for your timeline on the sietch, I haven't been able to find it.
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    I haven't posted it yet.
    I'm currently busy with some university stuff, so it might take a few days.
    There are some serious changes (at least 3 new chapters) in the Sietch version compared to the version here, so it's taking me a while.
    And the spelling and grammar.
     
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