Any subs operating off the US west coast will need to be extremely long-ranged - where’s the nearest base - Fiji? Presumably the CW will design something suitable for the purpose.
Disguised merchant raiders might also work for a bit.
Why the Chinese play cricket (The Pax Imperialis)
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Disguised merchant raiders might also work for a bit.
In OTL the US merchant marine was rediculously unprepared for submarine warfare in he first few months of america’s participation in ww2. Look up the second happy time. If it’s anything like otl, there will be a lot of American steel hitting the bottom after tasting fish soon.
The CW T class ITTL are specifically designed for long range patrol work in the Pacific. But the CW has a leased base off Mexico on Socorro Island.
They better hope that base is heavily reinforced against bombing and naval bombardment.
off course having fought the Kaiserliech marine for 3 years and protecting the convoys necessary to supply the 2 million men sized AEF would have given the US exactly zero experience whatsoever plus Ernest King ain't in charge of the LANTFLEET Nimitz is
The loss of Panama is going to cause utter chaos in the US senior command as heads roll left and right. It's going to take awhile before they sort things out
King is actually there, just higher up. He goes after Panama. The US will convoy right out of the box, along with turning off the lights along the coast. And the air will be thick with PBY el al. The issue is the CW has developed something akin to the Type XXI. I'd expect a crash program to develop a high speed anti submarine escort.
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Eh IIRC he was competent and the US even organized convoys to protect lend-lease ships the thing is convoys were a British idea and King despised the Brits so.... yeah or at least I think that's how the story goes. Anyway, @Miss Construction how many treasury class cutters do the US have? Those things were workhorses and any more would be a godsend
King's competence is a matter for debate. But what is not is Nimitz is very competent and the USN's foremost submariner
A lot more very soon. Plus that huge stockpile of flushdeckers in the yards for conversion. It'll take them time to work out the tactics required and develop the weapons required, but they will be assigning it a high priority. CW submarine dominance won't last too long.
On reflection I've decided the size of the standing CW army was ridiculous. I've reduced it to 70 regular and 130 reserve. However, they can easily raise another 200-300 divisions without stretching their manpower pool.
Army size in divisions
US = 26/66
Japan = 24/42
Yao (Japanese trained) = 40
Yao (Militia) = 110
Total = 308
CW = 70/130
Gaige = 80
Dutch East Indies = 5
Total = 285
US = 26/66
Japan = 24/42
Yao (Japanese trained) = 40
Yao (Militia) = 110
Total = 308
CW = 70/130
Gaige = 80
Dutch East Indies = 5
Total = 285
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Changes to September to December 1939
September 1939: The RAF Regiment begins forming Special Assault Squadrons (Rafsa) for special warfare operations to disrupt enemy airbases. Three Rafsa squadrons are to be added to the Caribbean assault force.
October 1939: Work begins on the B-38, a long range version of the B-17 powered by four Allison V-1710 liquid cooled engines. It is expected to be in service by 1942.
September 1939: The RAF Regiment begins forming Special Assault Squadrons (Rafsa) for special warfare operations to disrupt enemy airbases. Three Rafsa squadrons are to be added to the Caribbean assault force.
October 1939: Work begins on the B-38, a long range version of the B-17 powered by four Allison V-1710 liquid cooled engines. It is expected to be in service by 1942.
Not entirely sure if they're needed but it does seem like something the RAF Regiment would do
Actually have to drop it entirely, the RAF Regiment doesn't exist yet.
And the war plans begin to mature. A lot of this is just things being shuffled around.
February 1940: With war brewing and the need to protect CW communications, Egypt, Nigeria, Malaya and the West Indies are given full internal autonomy five years ahead of schedule.
February 1940: The CW begins stockpiling heavy equipment sufficient for four divisions in Halifax and preloads equipment for another eight on transports in Britain.
March 1940: The Pacific Alliance hold another conference to discuss their deployment plans. While the strategy agreed in 1939 is regarded as being generally correct, it is revised in light of the additional US divisions now available.
* Fifty divisions are now allocated to the invasion of Canada. Seven divisions will secure Vancouver and the Pacific coast with another three advancing from Alaska to secure northern British Colombia. Five divisions will now secure the transcontinental railways in the midwest, with 17 divisions taking the eastern cities and 18 securing the Maritimes and Halifax. Eight additional divisions will be held in the US for home defence and as a strategic reserve.
* The deployment to the East Indies remain unaltered other than to increase the forces allocated to Malaya to six Japanese and 14 US divisions, along with increasing the strategic reserve to ten US divisions.
April 1940: With Boeing, Douglas, Lockheed and Consolidated having submitted proposals for the new super heavy bomber as the XB-29, XB-30, XB-31 and XB-32, the XB-29 is selected as the primary project. Though the XB-32 shows more promise, it is passed over as secondary in favour of the XB-31 due to Consolidated's continuing ties with Conaus in the CW.
June 1940: The CW revise their defence plans for Canada to take account of the additional divisions expected to be available due to their rapid reinforcement plans.
* The defences in British Colombia will be increased to eight divisions.
* The midwest garrison will remain with only two divisions, those these will be re-equipped as light infantry with the reconnaissance battalion converted to mounted infantry, supported by ten batteries of pack artillery. The concept is for these divisions to break down into battalion sized battlegroups and conduct partisan style warfare reinforced by local militias.
* The eastern cities will now be defended by 13 divisions.
* The defence of the Maritimes and Halifax will be increased to 14 divisions.
With 18 regular divisions committed to Canada, a comprehensive plan for the deployment of the remainder of the regular army is also put in place
* The commitment of 20 divisions to China backed by 80 Gaige divisions will be maintained.
* Five regular, two RM and one airborne division are allocated to the Panama assault force
* four divisions will be deployed in Malaya, with two in Borneo, one in Burma and a reserve of eight in India
* The Pacific region will be covered by two divisions in Australia and one each in Papua, the Solomon Islands, Fiji and New Zealand.
* The defence of the remainder of the Empire will be maintenance by two divisions in the Home Nations, one South Africa, with one division in Egypt and two divisions allocated to maintain order in Persia and Afghanistan.
* The remaining airborne and three RM divisions will be retained as a ready strike force in South Africa.
On mobilisation, 19 divisions have be allocated to Canada. The eight regular divisions in India will forward deploy to the East Indies, replaced by the 80 divisions mobilising there. Five more divisions will mobilise in Australia and one in New Zealand, five in South Africa, with 20 mobilising in the Home Nations.
July 1940: The aging Cunard liners, Mauritania, Lusitania and Aquitania scheduled to be scrapped are purchased by the RN to further strengthen their sealift capacity.
September 1940: Clearly being squeezed out of US government contracts, Consolidated Aircraft repurchased Conaus and sells its US assets to Vultee. Consolidated takes the plans for the XB-32 with them. The RAF immediately orders three prototypes as the Dominator.
November 1940: The liners RMS Queen Mary, RMS Queen Elizabeth, RMS Oceanic and RMS Doric are requisitioned for conversation to troop ships.
March 1941: The eight regular divisions in India begin to deploy to their forward positions. Three are to reinforce the Netherlands troops in the East Indies, four Malaya and one to Borneo.
March 1941: Indian troops begin arriving in Malaya.
March 1941: Indian troops begin arriving in the East Indies and Borneo.
March 1941: Two hours before the expiry of the Pacific Alliance ultimatum US Rangers cross into Canada in an attempt to seize the St Lawrence Seaway locks. Fierce fire fights erupt all along the Seaway between US and CW special forces defending the locks. The CW forces also cross into the US in an attempt to destroy the locks on the US side. The resulting clashes destroy most of the locks along the Seaway.
March 1941: The CW war cabinet meet the Pacific Alliance ultimatum. Long deliberations show deep divides, however the US attacks on St Lawrence locks produce a unanimous decision to reject the ultimatum. However no declaration of war is issued, forcing President Lindbergh to go to Congress for a declaration.
February 1940: With war brewing and the need to protect CW communications, Egypt, Nigeria, Malaya and the West Indies are given full internal autonomy five years ahead of schedule.
February 1940: The CW begins stockpiling heavy equipment sufficient for four divisions in Halifax and preloads equipment for another eight on transports in Britain.
March 1940: The Pacific Alliance hold another conference to discuss their deployment plans. While the strategy agreed in 1939 is regarded as being generally correct, it is revised in light of the additional US divisions now available.
* Fifty divisions are now allocated to the invasion of Canada. Seven divisions will secure Vancouver and the Pacific coast with another three advancing from Alaska to secure northern British Colombia. Five divisions will now secure the transcontinental railways in the midwest, with 17 divisions taking the eastern cities and 18 securing the Maritimes and Halifax. Eight additional divisions will be held in the US for home defence and as a strategic reserve.
* The deployment to the East Indies remain unaltered other than to increase the forces allocated to Malaya to six Japanese and 14 US divisions, along with increasing the strategic reserve to ten US divisions.
April 1940: With Boeing, Douglas, Lockheed and Consolidated having submitted proposals for the new super heavy bomber as the XB-29, XB-30, XB-31 and XB-32, the XB-29 is selected as the primary project. Though the XB-32 shows more promise, it is passed over as secondary in favour of the XB-31 due to Consolidated's continuing ties with Conaus in the CW.
June 1940: The CW revise their defence plans for Canada to take account of the additional divisions expected to be available due to their rapid reinforcement plans.
* The defences in British Colombia will be increased to eight divisions.
* The midwest garrison will remain with only two divisions, those these will be re-equipped as light infantry with the reconnaissance battalion converted to mounted infantry, supported by ten batteries of pack artillery. The concept is for these divisions to break down into battalion sized battlegroups and conduct partisan style warfare reinforced by local militias.
* The eastern cities will now be defended by 13 divisions.
* The defence of the Maritimes and Halifax will be increased to 14 divisions.
With 18 regular divisions committed to Canada, a comprehensive plan for the deployment of the remainder of the regular army is also put in place
* The commitment of 20 divisions to China backed by 80 Gaige divisions will be maintained.
* Five regular, two RM and one airborne division are allocated to the Panama assault force
* four divisions will be deployed in Malaya, with two in Borneo, one in Burma and a reserve of eight in India
* The Pacific region will be covered by two divisions in Australia and one each in Papua, the Solomon Islands, Fiji and New Zealand.
* The defence of the remainder of the Empire will be maintenance by two divisions in the Home Nations, one South Africa, with one division in Egypt and two divisions allocated to maintain order in Persia and Afghanistan.
* The remaining airborne and three RM divisions will be retained as a ready strike force in South Africa.
On mobilisation, 19 divisions have be allocated to Canada. The eight regular divisions in India will forward deploy to the East Indies, replaced by the 80 divisions mobilising there. Five more divisions will mobilise in Australia and one in New Zealand, five in South Africa, with 20 mobilising in the Home Nations.
July 1940: The aging Cunard liners, Mauritania, Lusitania and Aquitania scheduled to be scrapped are purchased by the RN to further strengthen their sealift capacity.
September 1940: Clearly being squeezed out of US government contracts, Consolidated Aircraft repurchased Conaus and sells its US assets to Vultee. Consolidated takes the plans for the XB-32 with them. The RAF immediately orders three prototypes as the Dominator.
November 1940: The liners RMS Queen Mary, RMS Queen Elizabeth, RMS Oceanic and RMS Doric are requisitioned for conversation to troop ships.
March 1941: The eight regular divisions in India begin to deploy to their forward positions. Three are to reinforce the Netherlands troops in the East Indies, four Malaya and one to Borneo.
March 1941: Indian troops begin arriving in Malaya.
March 1941: Indian troops begin arriving in the East Indies and Borneo.
March 1941: Two hours before the expiry of the Pacific Alliance ultimatum US Rangers cross into Canada in an attempt to seize the St Lawrence Seaway locks. Fierce fire fights erupt all along the Seaway between US and CW special forces defending the locks. The CW forces also cross into the US in an attempt to destroy the locks on the US side. The resulting clashes destroy most of the locks along the Seaway.
March 1941: The CW war cabinet meet the Pacific Alliance ultimatum. Long deliberations show deep divides, however the US attacks on St Lawrence locks produce a unanimous decision to reject the ultimatum. However no declaration of war is issued, forcing President Lindbergh to go to Congress for a declaration.
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