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No war in 1914 means Moltke Jr retires as Chief of German General staff. His replacement could execute a much better (or worse) Schlieffen Plan.
In any case the best situation for Ottomans would be both sides exhaust each other without a clear winner while Ottomans use neutrality to fix the economy , get rid of capitulations and reorganise the army .
 
basically but its more complicated than that.
well if the Germans attack through Alsace and nt Belgium the UK may not do anything so that would change things, if the UK is not at war and let the UK sort out Ireland, stop the Liberal Party split, prevent the rise of the USA economically and militarily, or slow it down. A more left Government would affect India (for the better probably) and screw Russia even more. All good things. .
 
No war in 1914 means Moltke Jr retires as Chief of German General staff. His replacement could execute a much better (or worse) Schlieffen Plan.
In any case the best situation for Ottomans would be both sides exhaust each other without a clear winner while Ottomans use neutrality to fix the economy , get rid of capitulations and reorganise the army .
Indeed his replacement shows up in the next chapter. The ottomans do have an interesting future ahead.
 
well if the Germans attack through Alsace and nt Belgium the UK may not do anything so that would change things, if the UK is not at war and let the UK sort out Ireland, stop the Liberal Party split, prevent the rise of the USA economically and militarily, or slow it down. A more left Government would affect India (for the better probably) and screw Russia even more. All good things. .
Speaking of Ireland their first general election under the home rule act is about to start.......
The Liberal Party is definitely going to have a peculiar future ahead ittl.
 
thank all of you guys for the support in the turtledove polling! Thank you! Next chapter which will drop in by day after tomorrow will see the start of the great war ittl.
 
any predictions on the Depression of 1914-15 and the Alsatian Crisis?
In terms of the US recession, I dont think it will last long with war on the way. The belligerent powers are going to need both raw materials and war material in huge quantities, and the US, both with an inevitable need to rearm and the profit to be made is low hanging fruit.

It's also a pretty dumb idea for the Great European powers to disinvest from the US, given the fact that they're going to be spending so much money to wage war and they're suddenly going to need access to US loans. Besides, each time that there has been a downturn, the US has bounced back
 
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Depression rages on America as crisis grips Germany. Thoughts? Predictions?
I cant say much about France against Germany, it seems the War was avoided as much as it can, but if it doesnt spark in Alsace, it will spark in Serbia, Russia or other powderkeg.

Now, about the Depression... Maybe other countries can take advantage of the situation and get nice deals to trade, more the case of countries focused on infrastructure.
 
In terms of the US recession, I dont think it will last long with war on the way. The belligerent powers are going to need both raw materials and war material in huge quantities, and the US, both with an inevitable need to rearm and the profit to be made is low hanging fruit.

It's also a pretty dumb idea for the Great European powers to disinvest from the US, given the fact that they're going to be spending so much money to wage war and they're suddenly going to need access to US loans. Besides, each time that there has been a downturn, the US has bounced back
looks like the US banking sector will be struggling to lend in this TL
 
In terms of the US recession, I dont think it will last long with war on the way. The belligerent powers are going to need both raw materials and war material in huge quantities, and the US, both with an inevitable need to rearm and the profit to be made is low hanging fruit.
Kind off. Economics is a bit more complicated than that. During inflation, getting even more money by selling stuff is going to create even more inflation, so not really clear cut as it seems
It's also a pretty dumb idea for the Great European powers to disinvest from the US, given the fact that they're going to be spending so much money to wage war and they're suddenly going to need access to US loans. Besides, each time that there has been a downturn, the US has bounced back
Not exactly. In 1907 Britain, France, Germany and A-H threatened the USA that another recession would see their banking investments out because the USA went into depression too damn frequent. (1873,1879,1887,1893, 1899, 1902, 1907). Since it has happened, the great powers are taking their shares away from the US banking sector, deeming it to unstable. OTL, Roosevelt's anti-trust campaign was partially due to this promise from the rest of the great powers.
 
I cant say much about France against Germany, it seems the War was avoided as much as it can, but if it doesnt spark in Alsace, it will spark in Serbia, Russia or other powderkeg.
War could have been avoided otl as well.......history shows us that the easiest wars to avoid are the deadliest.....
Now, about the Depression... Maybe other countries can take advantage of the situation and get nice deals to trade, more the case of countries focused on infrastructure.
Basically what they're trying to do is this.
 
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