Of Droughts And Flooding Rains

Discussion in 'Alternate History Maps and Graphics' started by KaiserEmu, Nov 12, 2018.

  1. King Jasper Well-Known Member

    Dec 27, 2018
    How left wing is this US economically? Was there an FDR or Reagan analogue who pushed the US in one way or the other?
  2. Somebody-Someone Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2018
    Regional official languages list :
    No Hopi or Mi'kmaq?

    Also surprised at the lack of Irish and Italian (because New York)
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  3. KaiserEmu Emperor and Autocrat of all the Emus, etc.

    Jul 9, 2018
    Panama was annexed by the United States as a territory in 1908, after the collapse of the short-lived independent government threatened construction of the Panama Canal. The northern (or western) part of the country was annexed by Costa Rica at the same time. Panama eventually achieved statehood in 1958, and is now known for its canal linking the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans, for its gambling industry, and as the home state of former President John McCain.

    The US presidents during l'Urgence, or the Quebec Troubles, were David D. Eisenhower and Richard Nixon. The US president in office when Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and Prince Edward Island were admitted to the Union was Robert Kennedy.

    Silicon Valley is located in the Santa Clara Valley as in our timeline.

    The Christian Right as we know it does not exist in any way similar to our timeline. The National Progressive party (somewhat ironically) has a significant religious conservative faction, which part of the reason why states like Mississippi and South Carolina have not legalised same-sex marriage. While religious conservatives on both social and fiscal policy do exist, they are a minority faction outside the state of Utah.

    Richard Nixon was the 37th President of the United States, serving from 1957 to 1963. He is typically regarded as one of the 10 least important presidents.

    The US would be economically to the left of our TL's US; trade unions have not been entirely marginalised and there is a general consensus on the need for a welfare state, however views differ widely.

    No single figure is responsible for the US economic direction; it is mostly as a result of accumulated changes dating back to the 1870s. However, the most significant figure is probably Theodore Roosevelt, the founder of the National Progressive Party and the figure most responsible for the US' economic direction in the 20th century. Other significant figures include Nelson Rockefeller and Franklin Roosevelt.

    Aw, thanks.

    Good thing I'm making some wikiboxes on it then!

    Very little of America speaks French; only New Brunswick and Louisiana have notable Francophone populations. However, during debate on the Languages Act 2005, New Brunswick Congressman Hédard Albert successfully lobbied for an amendment to provide for French as an official language of the United States.

    The New Mexican Legislature narrowly voted against the inclusion of Hopi as an official language of the state in 2014. Mi'kmaq has never been proposed as an official language of any state. An amendment to the aforementioned Languages Act, to make Italian the fourth official language of the Union, narrowly failed; however, New York State does recognise it as a secondary official language. No official proposals have been made for Irish to be recognised as an official language of either any state or the Union as a whole.
  4. TheKutKu Well-Known Member

    Jan 3, 2016
    Autonomous Region of Cabinda
    A few questions:

    Could we have a small summary of the Australasian history, particularly the federation of it? I've noticed Australasia is surprisingly the only Australian country without an infobox or an overview map lol.

    Also what languages are taught in school in the various Australian countries?

    Because of their large population and their lower development level, are there significant Kidulian communities in New Holland and Australasia? Also same question for Auralians, particularly creole ones.

    Also another thing that would be fascinating would be to see the reactions to the Chinese invasion of northern kidulia, considering that IRL there was actual fear from Australians of a Japanese invasion of the north, it would be worth to cover the Australasian (but also New Hollander or other) reaction to it.
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  5. KaiserEmu Emperor and Autocrat of all the Emus, etc.

    Jul 9, 2018
    There is a map, it's just not a very good one. I've definitely been wanting to do more on Australasia and its history; expect some more soon! It does feel like I've been neglecting Australia in general, so I'm keen to get back to it.

    It varies greatly and in many places is based as much on the child's heritage as the nation they live in.

    In Tasmania, there are both Dutch- and English-language schools, and a child will be enrolled in the school of their home language. They begin learning the other official language of Tasmania in Year 2 and most will pick up another language when they reach middle school. To receive a National School Certificate, students must demonstrate a basic proficiency in each language, although, for example, a student from Nieuw-Amsterdam will sit all their exams in Dutch, except for their English 2 exam.

    In Australasia, all instruction is in English. Education is mostly left to the provinces, so the system can vary a bit; for example, all primary school students in New Ulster are required to take classes in Te Reo Maori. However, given the diversity of the continent, approximately 64% of students learn an additional language; the most popular are Dutch (or Boer), French (primarily in Princeland) and Indonesian.

    In Auralia, primary school students will either be taught in Créol or French. While legally required to teach in one of these two languages, teachers in small outback communities will generally use the local native tongue instead. High school instruction is only in French and thus high school completion rates are next to zero outside the major towns.

    In Baudinia, students are only taught in French, and the local government's rigid insistence on using only Standard French instead of the more commonly spoken Auralian French is a somewhat controversial topic.

    In New Holland, the language of instruction is Boer, although some schools in the north teach partly in Indonesian and inland schools often teach in native languages. Learning a second language is compulsory in New Holland; most students pick English, although not insignificant groups pick Indonesian or Japanese. Secondary education levels in New Holland are the highest on the continent.

    In Kidulia, the education system is widely varied and despite the best efforts of the government, there is no national standard. Primary schools typically teach in the region's dominant language, normally Indonesian or a local indigenous language. Most secondary schools teach in Indonesian and all students learn either Dutch or English as a second language (third for indigenous students). In Diemensland, all education is conducted in Dutch and Indonesian is taught as a second language. Final exams may be taken in Indonesian, Yolŋu, Warnindilyakwa, Walpiri, Arunta, Luritja or Dutch. The government has made a number of efforts to standardise the curriculum, but are often stymied by minority groups resisting the "Indonesianisation" of their culture.

    In Costa Norte, those students receiving a formal education will generally be taught in their native language for the first six years of schooling; during this time rural students are taught Portuguese and city students are taught English. The few students who continue on to high school receive instruction in Portuguese, and typically learn English or a native language.

    Certainly there are!
    The is a significant Kidulian diaspora across both nations; the most significant home to Kidulians in Australasia is Macquarie, Queensland, although large Kidulian populations are also found in Rockhampton, New Albion, Hobart and Mackay. "Little Arnhem" in central Macquarie is a popular tourist destination. New Holland has a far more significant Kidulian population, especially in the north around Roodhaven and Eerenstad. The most notable difference between the two nations' diasporas is that many Kidulians in New Holland are migrant workers working for the mining industry; by some estimates up to 65% of miners in the north are of ethnic Indonesian descent (this includes, for example, Nusantarans and Sundanese, but the vast majority are Kidulian).

    By comparison, there is a fairly small Auralian diaspora, with the only communities of note in Portland and Hobart along the south coast.

    Consider it on the list!
    There certainly was fear on the part of Australasians and New Hollanders; a number of New Hollander troops were involved in the failed defence of Batavia that led to the surrender of the East Indies and paved the way for the subsequent invasion. The battles in northern Kidulia are ingrained into the Australian psyche on a level even greater than Gallipoli or the Kokoda Track IOTL.

    Keep throwing your questions at me!
  6. Threadmarks: First American Civil War; Second American Civil War

    KaiserEmu Emperor and Autocrat of all the Emus, etc.

    Jul 9, 2018


    The First American Civil War, also known as the Southern Rebellion, the First War Between the States, and by other names, was a civil conflict fought in the United States in 1850 and 1851, between the United States (often referred to as the Union) and the secessionist Southern Confederation. The war’s primary cause was the long-standing controversy over slavery in the United States; the trigger for the war was president William Seward’s veto of the Fugitive Slave Act, passed by Congress as part of the Compromise of 1850. The highly fragile Compromise, intended to resolve issues related to the territory acquired in the Mexican-American War, became a subject of controversy in the United States over the status of territories, the borders of Texas and other issues raised by the war.

    Following the death of President Zachary Taylor and the accession of William Seward to the office, many states in the South became fearful that Seward would attempt to undo parts of the Compromise, which was highly favourable to the southern states. These fears were justified when President Seward vetoed the highly controversial Fugitive Slave Act passed as part of the Compromise, declaring it unconstitutional due to its disregard for due process. In response, five states in the Deep South, led by South Carolina, declared their secession from the United States. President Seward immediately ordered the crushing of the rebellion, enlisting General Winfield Scott to defeat the secessionists. In response to the deployment of the army, another five slave states declared their secession from the Union. The ten states formed the Southern Confederation, a loose confederation of the states whose primary purpose was to defend against the advancing Union Army. Five other slave states in the Upper South declared their loyalty to the Union and Constitution. Both Unionists and Confederates quickly raised armies, primarily made up of volunteers, although some Southern states instituted conscription.

    General Scott’s tactical genius and strong command in the field saw quick defeats of secessionist forces in Tennessee and Arkansas, while a naval blockade stifled the Confederation’s naval power and links to the outside world. Command in the Confederation’s forces was weak, with mostly disparate armies fighting their own battles, with little coordination. By late May, Unionist forces had captured New Orleans, thus splitting the Confederation in two. The ongoing civil war in Texas was resolved in early August with a victory for Unionist forces, prompting the surrender of the Texan government and their petition to rejoin the union. The Unionist capture of the Confederation’s capital, Birmingham, in late October prompted the surrender of General Sterling Price and the end of formal conflict. All ten secessionist states regained representation in Congress after the state legislatures pledged loyalty to the Union, although a military presence in the southern states remained, while a low-level insurgency continued. The assassination of President Seward on February 12, 1852 saw the accession of Democrat William R. King to the presidency, who swiftly withdrew all remaining forces from the South.

    Never diplomatically recognised by the government of the United States or that of any foreign country, the Confederation lacked foreign support to prosecute the war. Fought primarily in the South, with a series of intense and violent battles, the war left over 800,000 dead, more than any conflict in U.S. history until that point. However, the underlying issues that caused the war remained, and the fragile Compromise of 1850 remained in effect (without the Fugitive Slave Act). Subsequent controversies on the part of both slave and free states increased the sectional divide and national hostility, ultimately culminating in another civil war less than fifteen years later.


    The Second American Civil War, also known as the Second War Between the States, the War of Southern Defence, the War of the Rebellion, and by other names, was a war fought in the United States in latter half of the 1860s. The Republican States of America (often known as simply the Republicans, or the Republic) waged a war of secession against the United States of America (often referred to as the Union, or the Unionists). The war erupted after the election of John C. Frémont (by contingent election in the House of Representatives) as President of the United States in 1864, well-known for his anti-slavery views. Amid the ongoing hostilities over slavery in the United States, the election of Frémont convinced many Southerners that the North was waging war on their Southern identity as slaveholding states.

    Following the vote in the House of Representatives to elect Frémont as President, representatives from Southern states immediately began planning to secede from the Union. In the months leading up to the inauguration of Frémont, outbreaks of violence spiralled across the South and many openly called for insurrection. On March 4, 1865, when Frémont was sworn in as President in Washington, representatives of 14 Southern states met in Alexandria, then in Virginia, to declare their secession from the Union and to swear in their candidate, Alexander Stephens, as President of the Republican States of America.

    Hearing the news immediately after his own inauguration, President Frémont gave what became known as the Inauguration Speech, denouncing the Southern states and exercising his power to call up a militia from the states to “defend the Union and defend liberty”. In response, the states of Kentucky and Missouri declared their secession; all Northern states (including California and New Mexico) sent troops to the aid of the Union. Both sides had able leaders and effective command, and so despite the Republican disadvantage in both raw numbers and industrial power, the Republicans were able to inflict a number of defeats on the Unionist Army, including the capture of Washington and much of Maryland. However, the tactical expertise of General Ulysses S. Grant is credited for a series of Unionist victories, including the successful blockades of Cuba and New Orleans, and seizing control of many key waterways.

    As the war continued to drag on, both sides resorted to increasingly desperate measures. Unionist armies resorted to scorched-earth tactics in Kentucky and Missouri, and President Frémont issued the Emancipation Proclamation on November 9, 1867, declaring free all slaves who fought for the Union. In response, Republican militias committed the Montgomery Slave Massacres, slaughtering tens of thousands of slaves in fear that they would join forces with the Unionists; the Massacres are now classified as an act of genocide. The Massacres are now credited with preventing foreign recognition of the Republican States, as well as the strengthening of Unionist resolve in the later years of the war. As the war dragged on into a war of attrition, the Union’s numerical and industrial advantages became more pronounced, and the Unionist forces began to win more and more victories. The Battle of Vicksburg resulted in Unionist control along the length of the Mississippi River, while a Union victory at the Battle of Gainesville saw the recapture of Washington and laid the way for Sheridan’s march on Richmond. By early 1869, Republican forces were forced into retreat on all fronts; Tennessee, Kentucky and most of Virginia were now under Unionist control. President Frémont’s assassination on December 7, 1869, by a radical Republican, strengthened Unionist resolve and led to the accession of Abraham Lincoln to the office of president.

    The Battle of Columbus on April 6, 1870 is widely regarded as the end of the war; General Thomas Jackson officially surrendered the next day, declaring the dissolution of the Republic. However, an ongoing insurgency continued in the South, consisting primarily of terrorist attacks on Unionist army outposts and black communities. Informed from the aftermath of the First Civil War, a period of Reconstruction took place, including the ratification of several constitutional amendments, the redistribution of land away from the planter class, and the granting of full civil rights to former slaves.

    As the most studied and written about episode in U.S. history, the Second Civil War holds a legendary status in the American psyche; its effects are still felt today.
  7. Analytical Engine Monarchist Collectivist Federalist

    Mar 12, 2007
    UK, EU (for the moment), Earth
    Ok, I have not seen a "Civil War 2: Southern Boogaloo" like that before.
  8. Onerom Orchard Lord

    Dec 29, 2016
    Murcian Free State
    Sublime and very original, as always. Did the states of OTL northern Mexico allow slavery, and if such, did they or some groups attempt to secede or rejoin Mexico?
  9. Threadmarks: New York Times: 9/10/2019

    KaiserEmu Emperor and Autocrat of all the Emus, etc.

    Jul 9, 2018
    Two updates in one day? What is this witchcraft?


  10. KaiserEmu Emperor and Autocrat of all the Emus, etc.

    Jul 9, 2018
    Glad it's unique; unique is what I go for.

    Slavery was permitted in the Salado Territory from the outset and remained legal when it became a state. It joined the Republican States of America during the civil war, but was hindered by pro-Union sentiment among Hispanic inhabitants.

    The debate over slavery in the Arizona Territory was actually part of the reason why the Second Civil War broke out. Ultimately it was created as a solve territory and claimed by the Republic, although it was never actually controlled by the RSA at any point and remained in Unionist hands for the duration of the war.
  11. KaiserEmu Emperor and Autocrat of all the Emus, etc.

    Jul 9, 2018
  12. terranova210486 Well-Known Member

    Oct 6, 2014
    Do the Australian counties use desalination plants?
  13. Threadmarks: 2016 United States presidential election

    KaiserEmu Emperor and Autocrat of all the Emus, etc.

    Jul 9, 2018


    United States presidential election of 2016 was the 49th American presidential election, held on Tuesday, November 8, 2016. The Union Democratic ticket of Florida Senator Jeb Bush and Cuba Governor Marco Rubio defeated the National Progressives and their candidates, Delaware Senator Joe Biden and former Rio Grande Governor Julián Castro. It was the last U.S. presidential election in which the President was elected by the Electoral College, as opposed to the national popular vote.

    Bush quickly emerged as the front-runner in the wide field of Union Democratic candidates, while Joe Biden lead the National Progressive field following the decision of Vice President Bill Nelson not to run. Both nominees picked Hispanic running mates, in an attempt to appeal to what most polls predicted would be the most significant voting group of the election; the campaign centered around economic issues, primarily how best to continue recovery from the financial crisis. Other notable issues were the role of the U.S. in the Americas, concerns about immigration and an ongoing debate about education funding.

    Bush held the lead in most polls against Biden, widely seen as an poor candidate, although strong debate performances and a series of valuable endorsements resulted in the race tightening. In the end, the Bush/Rubio ticket won a majority of the popular vote in the election. While the Biden/Castro ticket carried a majority of states and would have won a majority in the Electoral College, the approval of the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact by a majority of states led to its entering into force at this election, resulting in all but seven states pledging their electors to Bush. As a result, Bush won one of the largest Electoral College margins in history, and the events of the election are widely seen as prompting the ratification of the 33rd amendment by the required three-quarters of states in 2019, prompting the abolition of the Electoral College for all future presidential elections.​
  14. Jupiter's Auroras New Member

    Nov 5, 2018
    Just found this timeline and I love it! Have there been fewer presidential elections in this world? (OTL has had 58). And are you working on a list of presidents? I would also love to learn more about Canada and the Québec secession. Merci and keep up the good work!
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  15. Riley Uhr Muldoon did nothing wrong

    Jul 26, 2016
    How did these elections turn out?
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