No Southern Strategy: The Political Ramifications of an Alternate 1964 Election

A big-L Libertarian and Roy fucking Cohn are in the White House.

That didn't take long to turn into a dystopia.

I gotta feeling Macbride might get a second term if he does operates like Reagan in OTL.
If Cohn continues being a dodgy fellow in office and his past deeds catch up with him, we might see him vacating faster than Spiro Agnew.


Fingers crossed for Mo Udall in 1980.
 
Never heard of MacBride until now.

Good Update.

Most people hadn't even heard of Jimmy Carter a year before he was elected either. ;)

Thanks.

Senator Morris Udall. That is awesome.

Aw yeah. :cool: Some people thought Udall's Presidential run in 1976 was him trying to sneak into the Senate primary. Here, well he aims for the Senate and doesn't look elsewhere.

The Steiger and Conlan thing was true, by the way. They did have a very fierce primary which Steiger won by a fair margin, but the nicknames were my own inventions. I found them rather clever.

This is going to end up very badly for the Democrats for years to come, isn't it?

Hey, you got to go into the wilderness eventually. Considering his party had been 16 years in the White House, and Howell still lost by a respectable margin.

A big-L Libertarian and Roy fucking Cohn are in the White House.

That didn't take long to turn into a dystopia.

What, an honest political reformer President and his reputable, happily married, and communist fighting Vice-President are your definition of dystopia? Well, if you think this is bad, wait until you see the UK after Gonzo's been through with it.

I gotta feeling Macbride might get a second term if he does operates like Reagan in OTL.
If Cohn continues being a dodgy fellow in office and his past deeds catch up with him, we might see him vacating faster than Spiro Agnew.


Fingers crossed for Mo Udall in 1980.

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Update 13: 1964, 1967, 1971, and 1975 UK general elections
The Conservatives had been in power for well over a decade by the time the 1964 General Election was called. They were down in the polls and were lead by the skeletal Scottish aristocrat Alec Douglas-Home. To make matters worse the seemingly rejuvinated Labour Party was led by the somewhat younger, pipe smoking Harold Wilson. As the campaign trail wore own the new shiny Labour machine began to ground to somewhat of a halt. This was partly due to the revelation that the then Labour Deputy Leader, George Brown was an alcoholic. Brown, who while very drunk in front of the press on Associated-Rediffusion television for a simple interview. In the interview the heavily intoxicated Brown managed to take a simple question as an accusation and having a row with actor Eli Wallach which became quite physical. The Labour Party politician also managed to turn a tribute for slain US President John F. Kennedy into a drunken, slurred insult of Kennedy. Wilson also entrusted Brown to campaign outside of London for him - in one speech he made a gaffe concerning mortgage rates - something the Conservative Chancellor of the Exchequer Reginald Maudling capitalised on and made a central issue of the campaign.

The campaign was notable for the greater usage of 'dirty tactics' by both sides. Labour sought to capitalise on the 'Profumo Affair' by characterising the Conservatives as the party of out of touch aristocrats who lived immoral personal lives. The Tories retorted by hinting that Wilson was having an affair with his personal assistant with photographs talked of by some of the media. (This was later found to be a complete fabrication by the Tories and the conservative British Secret Service which had a vested interest in a returned Conservative Government.)

The election night opened with a predicted Labour Majority of a few dozen seats. However when the first result came in, the BBC's in house psephologist, David Butler calculated that the swing from Conservative to Labour was not large enough to unseat the Tories - but it was also too large for the Tories to hold onto power. Throughout the night the swings varied and saw the increasingly flustered Butler recalculating his last recalculation. One of the iconic results was that of Smethwick where the potential Labour Foreign Secretary Patrick Gordon Walker was defeated by Conservative Peter Griffiths. What made this result all the more interesting was that Griffiths (allegedly, despite his denials) employed race-baiting tactics; with flyers asking constituents 'If you want a nigger for your neighbour, Vote Labour.'

One of the other stories of the night was the Liberals - the party performed quite well and won 7 seats and increased it's vote share to nearly 10% of the vote. Though they also lost some of the by-election gains and their own Deputy Leader's seat.

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The end result was left in some doubt due to the close nature of the results in some constituencies, namely three Northern Irish seats, Fermanagh and South Tyrone, Mid Ulster and West Belfast; all of which the Ulster Unionists (the de facto Conservative Party branch of Northern Ireland) won by slender margins. However by the next morning it was Sir Alec Douglas-Home who would be going to the Palace to receive Her Majesty the Queen's consent to form the next Government.

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Alec Douglas-Home was in reality nothing more than a placeholder waiting for the next Tory Leader to take over. Over the course of the few years after the 1964 Election his Government sought to implement some of it's manifesto pledges. Immigration was reduced and capped at a very small level, the Government tried once again to apply for membership of the EEC (once again vetoed by France's Charles de Gaulle) and the Government heavily whipped votes (despite being Private Member Bills) against Liberal & Labour efforts to legalise abortion, abolish the death penalty and decriminalise homosexuality.

By the time 1967 rolled around Home was clearly exhausted - like Anthony Eden ten years before he was addicted to barbiturate and was suffering from acute stress. He therefore decided to resign as Tory Leader and Prime Minister in January 1967 - under the instructions that the leadership election not be decided by the 'Magic Circle' that appointed him, but rather by party MPs themselves. The race was fought between Chancellor of the Exchequer Reginald Maulding, Foreign Secretary Edward Heath and former Cabinet Minister Iain Macleod. On the first (and only) ballot Maudling led the other candidates 170 to 76 (Macleod) and 88 (Heath) respectively.

Maudling appointed a new cabinet which had the likes of Keith Joseph (Employment), William Whitelaw (Home Secretary) and J. Enoch Powell (Defence) in it - there were also places for Deputy Leader Ted Heath, former PM and now Foreign Secretary Alec Douglas-Home and Chancellor of the Exchequer Iain Macleod. After a few months in which the new Prime Minister initiated several populist policies concerning the economy and immigration he called a General Election.

The Tories were quite high in the opinion polls with Labour seeing it's support being eaten away by both the Tories and the resurgent Liberals. To make matters worse for Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition, Deputy Leader George Brown unsuccessful tried to defeat Harold Wilson in a leadership rematch. In his place, Gaitskellite Shadow Chancellor James Callaghan was appointed Deputy Labour Leader. In the ensuing 'purge' of the Shadow Cabinet of ''Brownites,' several new MPs made their way into the Shadow Cabinet, including Peter Shore who (surprisingly) became Shadow Defence Secretary on the advice of one of his (Wilson's) advisors.

When the nation went to the polls in October 1967 there was a possibility that Labour could come second but perhaps come to power in a coalition with the Liberals. Such a possibility was quickly thrown out the window when the swing in Cheltenham showed that the Tories would in fact be increasing their majority. In the end the Tories gained 15 seats, Labour lost 13 and the Liberals lost two, falling to 5 seats. Notable results of the night included Griffiths holding Smethwick (with audible booing from the crowd), scuffles between the Ulster Unionist and Independent Republican candidates at the West Belfast count (which the Ulster Unionist managed to cling onto) and George Brown losing Belper thanks to a left wing 'Real' Labour candidate (secretly backed by Wilson) who split the Labour vote.


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Wilson's resignation as Labour leader in 1969 roughly coincided with yet another failed Tory attempt to join the Common Market (yet again the buoyed de Gaulle vetoed it after his referendum win in France.) In the ensuing battle nearly ten candidate ran ranging from Bevanite to Gaitskellite. However as the rounds quickly progressed on with no winner in sight and big names being eliminated one by one it quickly became apparent that Peter Shore could potentially win. His support was strengthened when a leaked Downing Street memo revealed that "...really the only one [the Government] should be scared of is Shore..." Shore on the next round won convincingly and hurriedly appointed his opponents and supporters to his 'Unity Government in waiting.'

By 1970 the tired and worn out Conservative Government which had nearly ruled for two decades saw it fit to devalue the Pound as the currency was too strong for trading. In the ensuing financial calamity Labour gained many points in the polls and thus forcing Maudling to call a General Election before the polls started to build a lead for Labour that would be too large to reverse. The General Election results showed Shore's Labour ahead by nearly three points in the popular vote; winning the election with a slender majority of six seats. The Liberals managed to increase their number of seats to 9 and vote to nearly 11%.

Strong swings to Labour in England (though not enough to turn Smethwick red once again) were somewhat cancelled out in Scotland where the Conservatives (due to their devolution commission which brought in limited devolution for Scotland) gained several seats such as Glasgow Pollok (from Labour) and defeating the Baby of the House, David Steel in Berwickshire and Laura Grimond (wife of former leader Jo Grimmond) in West Aberdeenshire (gained by future leadership contender Lieutenant. Col. Colin C. "Mad Mitch" Mitchell.) The Unionists meanwhile maintained their 100% control over Northern Ireland due to gerrymandering, voter intimidation and brutal suppression of the IRA and NICRA marches.

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Peter Shore who would go to the Palace and would form the first Labour Government in 20 years; though with the smallest Labour majority in the history of the party. After a series of negotiations with the Liberal Party and Thorpe; the Government announced a deal which would see Liberal support for confidence and budgetary motions; in return for a commission on electoral reform - a long time aim of the Liberal Party.

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Despite some suggestions that Reginald Maudling would resign as Tory Leader - he opted to not do so; despite the threat of a right-wing rebellion headed by either Keith Joseph or Enoch Powell.

The Liberals were meanwhile consolidating behind Thorpe - especially after two prominent by-election victories (such as the Isle of Ely - won by Clement Freud; South Worcestershire - won by Nicholas Parsons and Ripon - won by David Austick.)

The Labour Government initiated it's nationalistic policies towards Europe and the USA (where it made noise about leaving NATO.) British involvement in Vietnam was ended immediately as soon as Shore came into office and coincided with the US and Australian withdrawal from Vietnam and the start of an uneasy peace which holds until the present day. The Government ignored Liberal and backbench Labour attempts to liberalise the abortion, divorce, homosexual criminality and death penalty laws. The Government in response to growing violence in Northern Ireland proceeded to send the army in and attempt to crush the insurrection and introduced ID Cards for all citizens of NI and the rest of the UK - yet the Govt. was talked out of dissolving the Stormont Government by NI Premier James Glencairn Cunningham (who succeeded Brian Faulkner in 1972 after Falkner's five year tenure.) The Government reluctantly set up the 'Brown Commission' (headed by former Labour Deputy Leader, now Lord George-Brown of Jevington,) which was intended to look into reforming the electoral system. It recommended limited PR for local elections and for the Greater London Council elections - nothing concerning the far more important General Election was mentioned.

In response the furious Thorpe, in 1975 withdrew Liberal support for the Government and supported a Conservative Vote of No Confidence in Shore's Government (which had lost it's majority due to a series of by-election defeats.) The VONC succeed, but was met with public antagonism which was reflected in the General Election results. The Conservatives fell back to 242 seats (including 12 Ulster Unionists) with 39% of the vote. Labour rose to a majority position on 375 seats rising to 46% of the vote. The Liberals, far from being punished gained seats to achieve their best result in decades, winning 14 seats on 13% of the vote - mainly gaining from Tory seats (and helped by the new boundaries.) However the Tories managed to increase their hold in Scotland (due to the SUP remaining Independent like the Ulster Unionists and devolution.)

In response to the results Maudling resigned as the Tory Leader. In the ensuing Leadership Election the liberal Robert Carr won the election and was tasked with stopping the leakage of votes to Labour and to a lesser extent the Liberals.

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I don't really understand why Labour wins this 1975 election.

It's down to the Tories having a larger swing against them compared to Labour's negative swing - this leads Labour to take some of the Tories' seats. Plus the Liberal upswing is not really gathered anywhere in real concentration and still only win a few seats.
 
Update 14: 1977 and 1978 elections
James Buckley's second and final term as the Mayor of New York City began on a rough note. After his highly controversial reelection against Robert Kennedy in 1973 and the ensuing strikes and riots which occurred directly and indirectly in relation to his reelection. Buckley set about continuing his some what authoritarian Conservative rule in the City and also continuing his economic austerity of his first term which had seen the City avoid bankruptcy (as was predicted when he came to power) and instead saw the City have it's budget go into the black and a surplus for the first time in many years. Strikes however remained a constant feature in the City with another public sector union calling one every week it seemed. Buckley - unlike Lindsay would have none of it and proceeded to crack down on the strikes using the state guard and the City's police force (even against some of their own striking members.)

By the end of the Mayor's second term the City was a 'shining city on a hill' as opposed to the race riots in Los Angeles under re-elected Republican Mayor Bob Dornan and the speedy decline of Chicago and Detroit in the Mid West after the elections of a communist black nationalist (Detroit) and the messy fall of the Daley regime in favour of an incompetent left wing Socialist candidate (Chicago.) In 1976 Mayor Buckley opted to run for the Republican nomination for President - he was largely eclipsed by fellow New Yorker Conservative, Senator Roy M. Cohn; he did however win the Connecticut primary after his brother (a resident of the state) pulled some strings in the local Conservative and Republican Parties to allow his brother a rather strong victory. By 1977 Buckley was visibly bored in his role and left most of the important work to his aides - he had been secretly informed that he was being tapped for the Supreme Court seat of Lorna E. Lockwood (which he was.) At the General Election the Conservative Party of New York City was rather sparse for candidates and proceeded to nominate conservative radio commentator Barry Farber as their candidate. Farber then won the Republican nomination as well and was somewhat well placed against a generic Democrat...

The Democrats surprised everyone when they (and the NYC Liberal Party) nominated feminist Congresswoman and failed 1976 Senatorial nominee Bella Abzug as their candidate for Mayor. The race was rather boring at first between the two flamboyant and controversial candidates; Farber held a distinct lead over Abzug up until the debates - however that lead evaporated after the debates when he made a series of comments that were perceived as sexist and misogynistic towards Abzug and women.

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The polls instantly showed an Abzug lead and by polling day many expected that the Congresswoman would be the victor - however it would be Abzug, not Farber who delivered a concession speech the day after the close election. Some say it was the Abzug campaign's last minute withdrawing of ads and campaign staff, others say it was a last minute offensive by Farber campaign that let him overcome the distance between the two and pick up until then not very interested Republican voters.

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With the fairly distant loss of the Presidency in 1976, Henry Howell went home. It was a exhausting, mentally tiring job he felt he never should have had in the first place. Despite his own feelings of inadequacy and mild failure, he didn't want to just stop. He wanted to serve his country just a little bit longer.

So, for the first time in 144 years, a former President of the United States announced he was running for a governorship. Much like in 1833 Massachusetts, when John Quincy Adams ran, the President faced an open field for the office. Howell did not rest on his fame and his loins as President, however, he campaigned like a young man running for his first office.

His announcement captured not only state, but national and international attention. Even before half a year had passed from when he left office, people were talking about Howell as a possible candidate in 1980, a rematch against MacBride. Almost as quickly as the idea was brought up did Howell crush them, stating he had no intention of running for President again (even jokingly asking an audience to break his legs if he tries), and that he wanted to make up to his state for leaving them to go be Vice-President.

Immediately there were two major candidates on the Republican front, sitting Lieutenant Governor, and failed 1976 Senate candidate, John N. Dalton, and former Democratic Governor Miles E. Godwin Jr., who had left the Democratic Party after Howell's "Liberal Purge" off the Byrd Machine. Godwin only officially joined the Republican Party a few weeks before filing to run for Governor, and was hit as a shameless turncoat and untrustworthy politician. Godwin fired back that Dalton would just give up in the last leg of the race, and that "when the going gets tough, Dalton gets going". Dalton, meanwhile, didn't take this lying down. He publicly apologized for betraying the trust of Republican voters in the state, and that he hoped they would give him a second chance to atone for his political sins. Dalton just barely beat out Godwin for the Republican nomination.

And like another Virginia primary loser, he courted the Conservative Party. The party caucus, who now as a rule had their nominations after the Democrats and Republicans, voted for the former Byrd Machine Governor as their candidate. Immediately Howell was on the advantage. His two opponents hated each other and spent as much time fighting over the anti-Howell vote as they did trying to turn out their partisans.

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Howell not only became the first Virginia Governor to be elected to a second full term, but the first Virginia Governor elected with over a million votes. And he wouldn't be the only member of his Presidency to be elected in the late 1970's.

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President MacBride entered with an ambitious agenda. Cutting tax rates by 30% across the board, repealing the National Environmental Act, repealing Medicare and Medicaid, and privatizing most of Social Security. As well as the repeal of several governmental cabinets and agencies. He justified his radical proposals by saying the need for the United States to cut back on spending was both fiscal and moral. Cutting back on aid would save on money in the long run, and would allow people the chance to do good to another another. "I have a dream," quipped the President in early 1977, "where no one has to rely on government assistance to make ends meet. Where our poor and weak can be helped by churches and volunteers, not cold, distant bureaucracies here in Washington who don't know where the money is being sent."

His words were met with harsh words by the late Martin Luther Kings' family, who complained about the disrespectful usage of his famous words. Coretta Scott King said her husband, buried in late 1975 after a severe heart attack, was a fierce advocate of governmental assistance to the poor and needy and would have fought against MacBride's plans. She took up his mantle and assembled nearly one hundred thousand people in D.C. to protest the then-discussed abolition of Medicare and Medicaid.

Congress's reaction to the President's plan were not much nicer. Senate Majority Leader Long arose as the main enemy to the President's plans. While the two were able to seek some major reductions in taxes, the biggest since the Kennedy years, the thin Democratic majority in the Senate was bolstered by liberal and moderate Republicans who saw the New Deal and Great Society programs, if expensive, rather successful and popular. Very few men wanted to go home and explain to the voters why they voted to kill Social Security and to starve grandma.

Some Democrats saw the divide between the President, a committed ideologue, and most of the Republicans in Congress, men of convenience by trade. Senate Democrats worked to split that divide as hard as possible. One such instance revolved around Republican Senator George Murphy's attempts to combat drug trafficking and addiction, who wrote the Comprehensive Anti-Drug Trafficking and Addiction Law of 1977, which passed both Houses of Congress rather easily. The President vetoed it on constitutional grounds, further earning him the appellation of hippie by his enemies on the right.

One particular tactic, called Merry-go-Round-Boxing by one White House insider, consisted of the Democrats hitting MacBride from all sides. The conservatives would hit him as a "hippie", "abortionist", and "coward on foreign policy", while the liberals would hit him as a "racist", "economic cutthroat", and "Coolidge-lite". This enabled them not only to deadlock the Presidents ambitions, but attack any given Congressional Republican on any given issue.

Howard Baker relieved the worst of it, labeled a "baby-killer" and the "White House's #1 Stooge" by the press one day, and a "poor hating snob" the next. His Democratic opponent, William Robert Anderson, a former Naval Officer and exceptionally liberal Congressman by Tennessee standards, hit him for his support of the President's "Social Security reforms", which said was little better then throwing out the elderly and poor to the wolves. "The President and Senator Baker may want to take us back to before the New Deal, before the days of job safety, but I don't." Anderson had won the Democratic Primary by beating a large and divided group of candidates, emerging with more then 40% of the vote compared to many who fell just under 10 and 20%. Some old time machine Democrats, remembering his independent candidacy for governor back in 1962, and not liking the brazen liberalness of the man, moved to back Baker.

However, the race was not quite a simple two man battle. Seeing the success of the New York Conservative Party, and the growing strength of Virginia's Conservative Party, Tennessee conservatives moved to establish a party of their own. They ran the popular speaker, and John Birch Society member, Thomas Jefferson Anderson. He made the election that year far more lively, handing out "Howard Baker cakes" at events ("filled with nothing but dough, like our Senator"), travelling around the state to ecstatic crowds, and taking potshots at everything under the sun. The President was hit as a castrated Yankee dog, the incumbent Senator as the weak-willed puppet of the Northern Republicans, and the similarly named Democratic candidate as a "proud friend of North Vietnam."

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Whether Baker could have won without facing the Conservative Party candidate is unknown, what is known is that nationwide Conservative Parties (named that or something else) were popping up like weeds. New York, Virginia, Tennessee, and more.

Baker wasn't the only incumbent to lose his seat, as seven new Democrats joined the Senate, two new Independents (James B. Longley of Maine and John Bell Williams of Mississippi, both former Democrats; Williams caucused comfortably with the Republicans, while Longley would be a very maverick member of the Democratic caucus), one new Conservative (Patrick Robertson of Virginia, who also joined the Republican caucus after receiving tacit Republican support) and two new Republican (Rudy Boschwitz who narrowly beat DFLer Walter Mondale, and Admiral Jeremiah Denton who beat Democrat Fob James for Alabama's special Senate election that year).

Another interesting newcomer to the Senate was former Vice-President Brewer, formerly the President of the upper house, now a regular member. In 1979 the Senate voted to give him the honorary title Deputy President of the Senate, along with the same pay as the party leaders and President Pro Tempore. this title would also stand for any other former Vice-President who later joined the Senate.

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Speaker Gerald Ford, having achieved his life goal of being elected Speaker of the House in 1973, decided to voluntarily retire by 1976 and not continue in the House much longer. But he didn't want to just go out quietly. Having achieved his life goal, he made one strong push to become President of the United States under the new primary rules. He failed, holding not grudges, and left office in 1977, passing the Speakers gavel to friend and fellow Republican John Jacob Rhodes Jr. from Arizona. With Carl Hayden having been President Pro Tempore for a dozen years, and now Rhodes holding the Speakership, Arizona was one of a few states to have their men lead both Houses of Congress.

Rhodes was popular, respected, and very competent at his jobs of Representative and Speaker. Unfortunately the White House gave him a third job, having to be their policy champion in the House, the one branch of Congress they controlled. Rhodes worked to pass the tax cuts, to curb the power of labor unions and labor bosses, and to eliminate as much from the trio of Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare as possible.

Unfortunately, despite his power as Speaker, he only had a narrow majority of the House seats to work with, and thus Rhodes wasn't able to achieve much of the last request. Governmental streamlining? Easy. Fighting the unions? Popular and doable. Attacking the third rail of politics? A Herculean task that Rhodes would failed to do even if he had a veto-proof majority.

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While the loses in the Senate were moderate, the House dropped seventy Republican members and handed Californian John Joesph McFall the Speakership. The lack of any major success for the MacBride Administration during it's first two years, generally the most productive, was an ill omen of things to come. The non-Democratic or Republican caucus grew in size to be the biggest since 1938. Unlike 40 years ago, when it was only 8 Wisconsin Progressives and 5 Minnesota Farmer-Laborers, this caucus came from all over the US, elected on a bewildering number of party names. Freedom, American Independent, several states sent a Conservative or two, and Constitution. With the growing size of these men, they would move to establish themselves as a real party. A National Conservative Party in fact.
 
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Well shit. It looks like a third party (or at least a third group of parties) is taking root.

Also, speaking of the Supreme Court, who replaced Hugo Black and William O. Douglas?
 
Well, MacBride's first two years went about as well as expected.

I find it interesting how the double whammy of Goldwater's shutout and the Conservative (and Liberal) successes in NYC and NY state have encouraged third-party conservatives to begin popping up like mushrooms after a rain.
 
I don't think I've ever seen a timeline that details the rise of a conservative US third party before. It seems like a pretty organic result of things happening in this TL.
 
I also want to point out how interesting your story for NYC is. You only really tantalized us with partially subjective glimpses of how the Conservstive Buckley staved off the bankruptcy crisis. That could probably make a neat TLIAW by itself. Though I imagine the cost of putting NYC "back in the black" rested disproportionately on poorer and older folks, especially of color. Probably also a lot of cracked skulls and bullet wounds from the attempt to rollback the 1970s crime waves.

Was Buckley not the Mayor the city wanted, but the one it needed?
 
ew. THAT Roy Cohen?


I wonder if he still gets AIDs in ttl...

It's actually just Roy Cohn, no 'e'.

As for that, well, I'll keep my tongue quiet for now.

Well shit. It looks like a third party (or at least a third group of parties) is taking root.

Also, speaking of the Supreme Court, who replaced Hugo Black and William O. Douglas?

A new challenger approaches!

As of "now" (right after the 1978 election), the court is:

CJ: Frank M. Johnson (Humphrey appointee, 1969)
AJ1: William J. Brennan, Jr. (Eisenhower appointee, 1956)
AJ2: Potter Stewart (Eisenhower appointee, 1958)
AJ3: Byron R. White (Kennedy appointee, 1962)
AJ4: Thurgood Marshall (Johnson appointee, 1967)
AJ5: Archibald Cox Jr. (Humphrey appointee, 1971)
AJ6: Jack B. Brooks (Humphrey appointee, 1971)
AJ7: William J. Guste (Howell appointee, 1975)
AJ8: James L. Buckley (MacBride appointee, 1978)

Well, MacBride's first two years went about as well as expected.

I find it interesting how the double whammy of Goldwater's shutout and the Conservative (and Liberal) successes in NYC and NY state have encouraged third-party conservatives to begin popping up like mushrooms after a rain.

Unfortunately the Libertarian revolution has been re-scheduled for later.

Ah yes, they've just kind of been coalescing into vague party-like apparatuses so far. Who knows where they might go from here.

I don't think I've ever seen a timeline that details the rise of a conservative US third party before. It seems like a pretty organic result of things happening in this TL.

Interesting isn't it?

Damn...you killed Walter Mondale's career :p

It was all Gonzo! I'm innocent! Please don't hurt me!

I also want to point out how interesting your story for NYC is. You only really tantalized us with partially subjective glimpses of how the Conservstive Buckley staved off the bankruptcy crisis. That could probably make a neat TLIAW by itself. Though I imagine the cost of putting NYC "back in the black" rested disproportionately on poorer and older folks, especially of color. Probably also a lot of cracked skulls and bullet wounds from the attempt to rollback the 1970s crime waves.

Was Buckley not the Mayor the city wanted, but the one it needed?

Well to make a New York omelet you need to break a few black people.

I don't know that, but I can fairly confidently predict the Buckley family is not Batman.
 
A new challenger approaches!

As of "now" (right after the 1978 election), the court is:

CJ: Frank M. Johnson (Humphrey appointee, 1969)
AJ1: William J. Brennan, Jr. (Eisenhower appointee, 1956)
AJ2: Potter Stewart (Eisenhower appointee, 1958)
AJ3: Byron R. White (Kennedy appointee, 1962)
AJ4: Thurgood Marshall (Johnson appointee, 1967)
AJ5: Archibald Cox Jr. (Humphrey appointee, 1971)
AJ6: Jack B. Brooks (Humphrey appointee, 1971)
AJ7: William J. Guste (Howell appointee, 1975)
AJ8: James L. Buckley (MacBride appointee, 1978)

Huh. Both other picks were southerners. Interesting.

Also, interesting in a macabre way that ITTL, there was both a future Vice President and Supreme Court justice (Connally & Brooks) in President Kennedy's motorcade at Dallas.

Unfortunately the Libertarian revolution has been re-scheduled for later.

Libertarian's reactions in 1978 ITTL:

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It was all Gonzo! I'm innocent! Please don't hurt me!

It's fine. You saved him from the pain of losing elections in the other 49 states as well.

Well to make a New York omelet you need to break a few black people.

I would totally sig this if I wanted to rustle our NY members' jimmies.

I don't know that, but I can fairly confidently predict the Buckley family is not Batman.

But they could be the Batman family, right?
 
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