NEW BIRTH OF FREEDOM: The Wilmot Proviso Passes

[TheHedgehog]

So will John C. Fremont avoid an assassination attempt. Also, no matter how radical the Republican or Freedomite administration is there will still be Confederate monuments and memorials especially given the fact this is before World War II where views on race are drastically different and the need to reconciliation and reunion.

I'm not saying whether or not Fremont is assassinated, but I will say that there will be an attempt.
No doubt there's going to be Confederate memorials and monuments going up. However, the way I have things planned, not all of these statues are built as equestrian middle-fingers to African-Americans. In terms of how the north reconciles with the south, I'm not gonna reveal too much, gotta keep some suspense...

 

[Ficboy]

I'm not saying whether or not Fremont is assassinated, but I will say that there will be an attempt.
No doubt there's going to be Confederate memorials and monuments going up. However, the way I have things planned, not all of these statues are built as equestrian middle-fingers to African-Americans. In terms of how the north reconciles with the south, I'm not gonna reveal too much, gotta keep some suspense...

So were there any books you read for this timeline. I know you were inspired by the failed Wilmot Proviso to create an early Civil War timeline.

 

[TheHedgehog]

So were there any books you read for this timeline. I know you were inspired by the failed Wilmot Proviso to create an early Civil War timeline.

I read The Impending Crisis by David Potter and I'm slowly working my way through Destruction and Reconstruction by Richard Taylor , but I rely a lot on Wikipedia. For the reconstruction era, I'll probably read parts of Reconstruction: America's Unfinished Revolution, by Eric Foner.

 

[TheRockofChickamauga]

TheVirginianSledgehammer? Hmm, sounds like a great guy.

 

[Ficboy]

TheVirginianSledgehammer? Hmm, sounds like a great guy.

Hey, it's you again.

 

[TheHedgehog]

So, as my timeline moves farther and farther from the POD, I'm going to be using less and less historical characters, and more and more fictional ones. Now, I'm not great with names, so if anyone has any names (male, female, American, Polish, Chinese, French, anything) just post them in the thread, and I'll work them into future events.

 

[MrVulcan]

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[TheHedgehog]

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[JonKenobi]

Could we get a map?

 

[TheHedgehog]

Could we get a map?

I've posted several throughout the timeline, though none of them are threadmarked. The most recent map is posted just below Part XII: Torch and Sword.

 

[farmerted555]

Will DC become a state? And if so, what would you name the Washington Territory?

 

[TheHedgehog]

Will DC become a state? And if so, what would you name the Washington Territory?

DC will become a state in the far future, as the District of Columbia, with Washington as its capital. What would be OTL's Washington State will still be named Washington.

 

[Ficboy]

DC will become a state in the far future, as the District of Columbia, with Washington as its capital. What would be OTL's Washington State will still be named Washington.

I doubt the District of Columbia would even become a state let alone in the mid 19th century.

 

[farmerted555]

DC will become a state in the far future, as the District of Columbia, with Washington as its capital. What would be OTL's Washington State will still be named Washington.

I was thinking TTL's Washington State could be named Yakima or Jefferson.

 

[TheHedgehog]

I doubt the District of Columbia would even become a state let alone in the mid 19th century.

I never said DC would become a state in the 19th century. I haven't planned exactly when, but it is admitted during an ambitious reform program during an administration in the late 20th century.

I was thinking TTL's Washington State could be named Yakima or Jefferson.

I was actually going to name OTL Oregon as Jefferson, and Idaho Shoshone. Washington, I'll keep the same because I like the idea of there being a group of states named after founding fathers.

 

[Ficboy]

I never said DC would become a state in the 19th century. I haven't planned exactly when, but it is admitted during an ambitious reform program during an administration in the late 20th century.

I was actually going to name OTL Oregon as Jefferson, and Idaho Shoshone. Washington, I'll keep the same because I like the idea of there being a group of states named after founding fathers.

Cuba probably is going to be the American equivalent of Quebec: A Catholic Latin Romance speaking region of a predominantly Protestant Anglo-Saxon country. The South on the other hand is going to resemble Ulster where there is a lot of violence and a distinct cultural identity linked to the past.

 

[TheHedgehog]

Cuba probably is going to be the American equivalent of Quebec: A Catholic Latin Romance speaking region of a predominantly Protestant Anglo-Saxon country. The South on the other hand is going to resemble Ulster where there is a lot of violence and a distinct cultural identity linked to the past.

Cuba is actually going to be a cross between Puerto Rico and a huge southern Florida-beach resorts, clubs, vibrant nightlife, casinos, condos. It will be a mix of Cubans, afro-Cubans, freedmen from the mainland, and retirees from up north (like Florida). The people will speak a pretty even mix of English and Spanish.
The south will be peacefully reintegrated into the union, like IOTL. There will still be racial violence and the like, and reconstruction will be quite different from otl, but its not gonna be like Ulster ( in fact, I find that outcome highly unlikely- the south would have settled down sooner or later). By the 1880s, the south will have been reintegrated and reconstruction will be over.

 

[Ficboy]

Cuba is actually going to be a cross between Puerto Rico and a huge southern Florida-beach resorts, clubs, vibrant nightlife, casinos, condos. It will be a mix of Cubans, afro-Cubans, freedmen from the mainland, and retirees from up north (like Florida). The people will speak a pretty even mix of English and Spanish.
The south will be peacefully reintegrated into the union, like IOTL. There will still be racial violence and the like, and reconstruction will be quite different from otl, but its not gonna be like Ulster ( in fact, I find that outcome highly unlikely- the south would have settled down sooner or later). By the 1880s, the south will have been reintegrated and reconstruction will be over.

I use the Quebec example when talking about Cuba's status in the United States, most of it would be very Catholic and Spanish-speaking aside from Havana much like the case of the rest of Quebec and Montreal respectively. Plus given all the violence and different Reconstruction under John C. Fremont it would make the South something along the lines of Ulster/Northern Ireland. Even though the violence would be over and the two peoples have moved on nevertheless the South much like Ulster would be a culturally distinct region with its own identity which was more or less the case up until recently.

 

[TheHedgehog]

I use the Quebec example when talking about Cuba's status in the United States, most of it would be very Catholic and Spanish-speaking aside from Havana much like the case of the rest of Quebec and Montreal respectively. Plus given all the violence and different Reconstruction under John C. Fremont it would make the South something along the lines of Ulster/Northern Ireland. Even though the violence would be over and the two peoples have moved on nevertheless the South much like Ulster would be a culturally distinct region with its own identity which was more or less the case up until recently.

I see. I thought that by Quebec you meant that Cuba would have a seperatist bent. My apologies.
in terms of the south, I dont think comparing it to Ulster is accurate. While there is a distinct culture, NY has a distinct culture from New England, which has a distinct culture from California.Southern culture is really more of a subculture than an entirely different thing. Second, the south lacks the same kind of nasty ethnic conflict that ulster endured. Of course, the south was plagued by hate crimes and racial violence, but not to the same organized degree as in Northern Ireland.