Map Thread XXI
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Oh wait, I just realized. This can all be the same empire, due to the dates.
Looks like the Roman Empire survives but it's been controlled and influenced by neighboring powers throughout the centuries
How about the Tukulor Empire?
Nice map. Did Japan somehow avoid OTLs grabby-ness or did they used to control more and decolonized at some point?
It was still a Savoy under Mussolini, albeit as a figurehead.
Well, I'm going to have to redo one of my France wanks - still dissatisfied with the French Revolutionary Republic scenario - so I'm just posting the other countries I have done. The Gabon (or, at least, peoples living in what in our world would be Gabon) wank owes a fair deal to @rvbomally 's "Black Man's Burden" scenario, while the Finn-wank has taken heavy inspiration from the delightfully different Darceny scenario.
A Korea (unified) -wank map will be along shortly. The French scenarios will be done when they're done.
A Korea (unified) -wank map will be along shortly. The French scenarios will be done when they're done.
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I wasn't sure if the Tukolor Empire would be butterflied. It didn't come into being until the 19th Century, whereas the "POD" of my map would be in the late 18th.
Japan was more restrained than in OTL, yes. They did maintain a sphere of influence over Korea but it never amounted to full annexation, so Korean culture wasn't so damaged and Korea managed to keep steadily modernising. There was a Spanish-Japanese War, but the Japanese only gained the Marianas and the independence of the Philippines, which were also temporarily within their sphere of influence (but not a colony), and in a later more limited Sino-Japanese War Japan grabbed some coastal settlements. By 2022 Formosa is firmly Japanese, with Chinese and Taiwanese languages rather like Te Reo Maori in OTL NZ (learned for its heritage, but not actually widely used or widely useful at all). Hainan is closer to a 30/70 split Japanese to Chinese, but it was less settled by Japanese people. On the other hand, the Chinese coastal cities (which includes Macau, for the reason that I coloured the wrong pixel and it was supposed to be Hong Kong) are rather densely Japanese.
This map is now complete, but I intend to do another map set in this TL, showing a wider range of states in the Americas. This map finishes up with a small piece of Mexico.
1)The Republic of Florida (San Agustín)
Chief Language: Spanish
Chief Language: Catholicism
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Neighbors: Virginia on the North, Louisiana on the West, the Cubas (not shown) to the South
Relations With Their Neighbors: Shares in the general dislike of the Virginians. Gets along OK with the Louisianans. Formerly had territorial disputes with the Cubas (over what we would call "The Bahamas"). They now get along well as members of the "Thanks, Big Brother Mexico, But We'd Rather Not Become Your Newest States" Club.
Note: Not my most "developed" idea, perhaps, but I've always wondered what kind of distinct national identity Florida might have developed if it had remained Spanish. I resisted the urge to have them have an "Hombre de Florida" type reputation.
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2)The Federation of Lakhota (Swift Water City)
Chief Language: Lakhota (various dialects)
Chief Religion: Lakhota Traditional
Government: Tribal Federation
Neighbors: Mexico on the South and West, New France on the North, the New Netherlands on the East.
Relations With Their Neighbors: Lakhota does its best to get along with all of its neighbors without sacrificing its integrity. Friendliest with the New Netherlands.
Note: Covers parts of OTL's Dakotas, Nebraska, Montana and Wyoming. A proud people, they are aware that they retained their independence largely because Mexico, New France and the New Netherlands didn't want to foight a war over their territory. Struggles to maintain their traditional culture while coping with necessary modernization. Because of their reputation as warriors, many young Lakhota serve in the militaries of other nations. The money they send home bolsters the national economy.
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3)The Empire of Louisiana (Nouvelle-Orléans)
Chief Language: French
Chief Religion: Catholicism
Government: "Constitutional" monarchy. In practice, corruption is widespread, but it is a point of pride to never take too much and to never take anyone's last cent.
Neighbors: The New Netherlands on the North, Virginia and Florida on the East and Mexico on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: A member of the "We Hate Virginia" Club with Florida and the New Netherlands. Formerly had territorial disputes with Mexico, has accepted that they're not getting the land back. Their control of the lower Mississippi earns them a tidy sum in "shippng fees".
Note: Founded by a charismatic colonial governor who took advantage of turmoil in Old France to declare the territory's independence and to name himself Emperor. Somehow shambles along despite outdsiders' regular predictions over the decades of their imminent demise. Has a long-distance rivalry with New France over which of them is the true heir to the spirit of France.
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4)The Federal Republic of Mexico (Ciudad de México)
Chief Language: Spanish
Chief Religion: Catholicism
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Neighbors: Imperial Russia, New France and Lakhota on the North, the New Netherlands and Louisiana on the East, and Tawantinsuyu and Brazil on the south.
Relations With Their Neighbors:
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5)The Commonwealth of New England (Boston)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religion: Protestantism (Religious tolerance exists in theory. but in practice, the non-Protestant population is vanishingly small. Catholic and other immigrants from Europe tended to go to the New Netherlands, Florida, the Cubas, Louisiana or Mexico.)
Government: Parliamentary democracy, somewhat more conservative and less tolerant than the New Netherlands
Neighbors: New France on the North, the New Netherlands on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: Longstanding territorial disputes with New France, whom they think of as a hereditary enemy. Has set aside similar disputes with the New Netherlands, with the realization that they need Nieuw Amsterdam's good offices as a counterweight to Québec.
Note: A small nation that feels "hemmed in" by its neighbors. Has an international reputation as a "nation of small-town lawyers".
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6)The Dominion of Newfoundland (Saint John's)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religion: Protestantism
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Neighbors: New France on the South.
Relations With Their Neighbors: No great love lost between the Newfies and the New French, but they get along well enough.
Note: Baffin Island (not shown) is also part of Newfoundland. Independent, but still closely-linked to the mother country, Greater Britain. Cynics in other countries see it as a British "fishing colony".
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7)The Kingdom of New France (Québec)
Chief Language: French
Chief Religion: Catholicism
Government: Monarchy (Not an absolute monarchy, but the monarch has more power than we in OTL are used to most monarchs having )
Neighbors: Imperial Russia on the West, Lakhota, Mexico, New England and the New Netherlands on the South, Newfoundland on the North.
Relations With Their Neighbors:
Note: New France extends over most of OTL's Canada east of the Rockies. At some point, I'll do a different map to show it all. The nation was founded when the French king successfully fled TTL's version of the French Revolution and set himself up in North America. The New Frnech like to say to themselves, "L'année prochaine à Paris" , but realistically, it ain't gonna happen.
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8)The United Provinces of the New Netherlands (Nieuw Amsterdam)
Chief Language: Amerikaans (I'm imagining something closer to the ancestral Dutch than OTL Afrikaans is, but further than American English is from British English is, if that makes any sense, which it may not)
Chief Religions: Protestantism, Catholicism (Various flavors of Christianity are the vast majority, but religious tolerance is practiced.)
Government: Parliamentary democracy, what we would call "left of center", with racial tolerance and tolerance for persons of different sexualities, and so on. It's not a paradise, but overall, it's a pretty good place to live.
Neighbors: New France on the North, New England on the East, Louisiana and Virginia on the South, and Lakhota and Mexico on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors:
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9)The Commonwealth of Virginia (Williamsburg)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religions: Church of Virginia (Protestant) is the church of upper and middle class whites, various other Protestant sects/cults are followed by poor whites and non-whites.
Government: An "aristocratic republic". dominated by a white upper class from wealthy "old families" (the franchise is based on property ownership) that works assiduously to keep the poor whites, African-descended people and what few Native Americans survive divided. Slavery was technically abolished in the early Twentieth Century, but Blacks are still heavily oppressed.
Neighbors: The New Netherlands on the North, Florida on the South and Louisiana on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: The Virginian ruling class looks down on the New Netherlanders as vulgar, bourgeois shopkeepers and farmers, the Floridians as savage mongrels and the Louisianans as degenerate mongrels. Occasionally they like to make noises about putting them all in their places, but are well aware that they wouldn't stand a chance against the three of them, and that's without even taking into consideration what the Mexicans might do.
Note: Somewhat of a pariah among nations that like to think of themselves as "civilized". Their chief export is tobacco which sells well enough in countries that don't overmuch worry about whether foreign workers are exploited. When a Mexican scientist worked out that smokng is bad for you, the Virginians took it as part of a conspiracy to wreck their economy.
1)The Republic of Florida (San Agustín)
Chief Language: Spanish
Chief Language: Catholicism
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Neighbors: Virginia on the North, Louisiana on the West, the Cubas (not shown) to the South
Relations With Their Neighbors: Shares in the general dislike of the Virginians. Gets along OK with the Louisianans. Formerly had territorial disputes with the Cubas (over what we would call "The Bahamas"). They now get along well as members of the "Thanks, Big Brother Mexico, But We'd Rather Not Become Your Newest States" Club.
Note: Not my most "developed" idea, perhaps, but I've always wondered what kind of distinct national identity Florida might have developed if it had remained Spanish. I resisted the urge to have them have an "Hombre de Florida" type reputation.
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2)The Federation of Lakhota (Swift Water City)
Chief Language: Lakhota (various dialects)
Chief Religion: Lakhota Traditional
Government: Tribal Federation
Neighbors: Mexico on the South and West, New France on the North, the New Netherlands on the East.
Relations With Their Neighbors: Lakhota does its best to get along with all of its neighbors without sacrificing its integrity. Friendliest with the New Netherlands.
Note: Covers parts of OTL's Dakotas, Nebraska, Montana and Wyoming. A proud people, they are aware that they retained their independence largely because Mexico, New France and the New Netherlands didn't want to foight a war over their territory. Struggles to maintain their traditional culture while coping with necessary modernization. Because of their reputation as warriors, many young Lakhota serve in the militaries of other nations. The money they send home bolsters the national economy.
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3)The Empire of Louisiana (Nouvelle-Orléans)
Chief Language: French
Chief Religion: Catholicism
Government: "Constitutional" monarchy. In practice, corruption is widespread, but it is a point of pride to never take too much and to never take anyone's last cent.
Neighbors: The New Netherlands on the North, Virginia and Florida on the East and Mexico on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: A member of the "We Hate Virginia" Club with Florida and the New Netherlands. Formerly had territorial disputes with Mexico, has accepted that they're not getting the land back. Their control of the lower Mississippi earns them a tidy sum in "shippng fees".
Note: Founded by a charismatic colonial governor who took advantage of turmoil in Old France to declare the territory's independence and to name himself Emperor. Somehow shambles along despite outdsiders' regular predictions over the decades of their imminent demise. Has a long-distance rivalry with New France over which of them is the true heir to the spirit of France.
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4)The Federal Republic of Mexico (Ciudad de México)
Chief Language: Spanish
Chief Religion: Catholicism
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Neighbors: Imperial Russia, New France and Lakhota on the North, the New Netherlands and Louisiana on the East, and Tawantinsuyu and Brazil on the south.
Relations With Their Neighbors:
- Brazil: They get along well, and Mexico appreciates what a stable, well-run country Brazil is.
- Imperial Russia: The Tsar's remaining domains are essentially a protectorate of the Mexicans, whose nuclear umbrella protects Novo-Arkhangelsk from the National Absolutists who currently rule in Moscow.
- Lakhota: Mexico generally leaves the Lakhota alone.
- Lousiana: Mexico gets along with them OK, as long as the luisianos don't rip off any Mexican visitors too badly.
- New France: The two nations don't like each other much, but get along well enough.
- The New Netherlands: They are good friends.
- Tawantinsuyu: Relations are civil but distant.
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5)The Commonwealth of New England (Boston)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religion: Protestantism (Religious tolerance exists in theory. but in practice, the non-Protestant population is vanishingly small. Catholic and other immigrants from Europe tended to go to the New Netherlands, Florida, the Cubas, Louisiana or Mexico.)
Government: Parliamentary democracy, somewhat more conservative and less tolerant than the New Netherlands
Neighbors: New France on the North, the New Netherlands on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: Longstanding territorial disputes with New France, whom they think of as a hereditary enemy. Has set aside similar disputes with the New Netherlands, with the realization that they need Nieuw Amsterdam's good offices as a counterweight to Québec.
Note: A small nation that feels "hemmed in" by its neighbors. Has an international reputation as a "nation of small-town lawyers".
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6)The Dominion of Newfoundland (Saint John's)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religion: Protestantism
Government: Parliamentary democracy
Neighbors: New France on the South.
Relations With Their Neighbors: No great love lost between the Newfies and the New French, but they get along well enough.
Note: Baffin Island (not shown) is also part of Newfoundland. Independent, but still closely-linked to the mother country, Greater Britain. Cynics in other countries see it as a British "fishing colony".
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7)The Kingdom of New France (Québec)
Chief Language: French
Chief Religion: Catholicism
Government: Monarchy (Not an absolute monarchy, but the monarch has more power than we in OTL are used to most monarchs having )
Neighbors: Imperial Russia on the West, Lakhota, Mexico, New England and the New Netherlands on the South, Newfoundland on the North.
Relations With Their Neighbors:
- Imperial Russia: Respects them as a fellow "old school" monarchy. Still keeps an eye on them, though.
- Lakhota: Annoying savages who refuse to convert to Catholicism. Otherwise harmless.
- Mexico: Peasants who have somehow become a super-power. At least they're mostly Catholics, of a sort.
- New England: Dangerous radicals. "Englishmen" without the minimal amount of refinement that proper Englishmen have. They hide behind Nieuw Amsterdam's skirts to escape the thrashing they so richly deserve.
- Newfoundland: They don't like them and watch them closely, but otherwise leave them alone. The don't want to give Greater Britain an excuse to make trouble for them.
- The New Netherlands: A nation of bourgeois merchants and farmers that foolishly protects those perfidious Yankees.
Note: New France extends over most of OTL's Canada east of the Rockies. At some point, I'll do a different map to show it all. The nation was founded when the French king successfully fled TTL's version of the French Revolution and set himself up in North America. The New Frnech like to say to themselves, "L'année prochaine à Paris" , but realistically, it ain't gonna happen.
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8)The United Provinces of the New Netherlands (Nieuw Amsterdam)
Chief Language: Amerikaans (I'm imagining something closer to the ancestral Dutch than OTL Afrikaans is, but further than American English is from British English is, if that makes any sense, which it may not)
Chief Religions: Protestantism, Catholicism (Various flavors of Christianity are the vast majority, but religious tolerance is practiced.)
Government: Parliamentary democracy, what we would call "left of center", with racial tolerance and tolerance for persons of different sexualities, and so on. It's not a paradise, but overall, it's a pretty good place to live.
Neighbors: New France on the North, New England on the East, Louisiana and Virginia on the South, and Lakhota and Mexico on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors:
- Lakhota: the Lakhota are a proud people, and make much of the fact that they are the only Native North American people to retain their independence, but their leaders are well aware that they retained their independence because the Mexicans, New Netherlanders and New French found it expedient to leave them as a buffer state rather than fight a war over the territory. Relations with the New Netherlands are generally good, and Nieuw Amsterdam allows the Lakhota to maintain certain sacred sites on their territory.
- Lousiana: The New Netherlanders get along well enough with the genial kleptocrats in Nouvelle-Orléans, the moreso since neither of them likes the Virginians much.
- Mexico: Mexico is one of TTL's super-powers, stretching from the border with Imperial Russia (about midway through IOTL's British Columbia) down into South America. The Mexicans consider the Americas their sphere of influence and like their neighbors to behave themselves, so everyone tends to keep quiet so the Mexicans won't decide to "teach" them how to behave.
- New England: There were territorial disputes in the early Nineteenth Century, Later, the Yankees were happy to have the good offices of Nieuw Amsterdam to keep the New French off their backs.
- New France: Relations are cool but correct. There are no current disputes, but the two nations are not overly fond of one another, largely because New France sees the New Netherlanders as being too cozy with their old rivals in Louisiana.
- Virginia: There were disputes in the Ninetenth Century over Nieuw Amsterdam's refusal to return escaped slaves, coming close to war on more than one occasion. However, the fact that they are surrounded by nations that don'tb like them much (The New Netherlands, Lousiana and Florida on the south) have kept them from getting too frisky.
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9)The Commonwealth of Virginia (Williamsburg)
Chief Language: English
Chief Religions: Church of Virginia (Protestant) is the church of upper and middle class whites, various other Protestant sects/cults are followed by poor whites and non-whites.
Government: An "aristocratic republic". dominated by a white upper class from wealthy "old families" (the franchise is based on property ownership) that works assiduously to keep the poor whites, African-descended people and what few Native Americans survive divided. Slavery was technically abolished in the early Twentieth Century, but Blacks are still heavily oppressed.
Neighbors: The New Netherlands on the North, Florida on the South and Louisiana on the West.
Relations With Their Neighbors: The Virginian ruling class looks down on the New Netherlanders as vulgar, bourgeois shopkeepers and farmers, the Floridians as savage mongrels and the Louisianans as degenerate mongrels. Occasionally they like to make noises about putting them all in their places, but are well aware that they wouldn't stand a chance against the three of them, and that's without even taking into consideration what the Mexicans might do.
Note: Somewhat of a pariah among nations that like to think of themselves as "civilized". Their chief export is tobacco which sells well enough in countries that don't overmuch worry about whether foreign workers are exploited. When a Mexican scientist worked out that smokng is bad for you, the Virginians took it as part of a conspiracy to wreck their economy.
Oh, BTW, noticed something else on the map that bugs me: Polish Pomerania. How, and why? That's been German-speaking for a long time. Did the Russians rule over Poland for a while and took and ethnically cleansed Pomerania?
Honestly I don't even remember why I went that way, but I did initially have a reason.
IIRC it had something to do with Prussia being smashed in a war, but for some reason I have Prussia still existing and also ruling the Baltics. I think I was meant to change that but forgot.
Gorgeous work.
I played mexico in the gfm mod for victoria 2 and decided to make this. The result is a classic paradox "believable worlds" scenario but i really enjoyed the campaign and this resulting map
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