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Very nice. I considered a map of this world after I read the book but like most novels it doesn't easily translate to a simple mappable world. Interestingly, your Ottomans are larger than I envisioned while I imagined the US being larger.
Thanks!
We each carry our own assumptions and preconceptions when we try to fill in a vague scenario. What areas I included did the Ottomans in your envisioning _not_ control?
 
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This was originally a shitpost, but while it's still very goofy (hence the MBAM basemap, as for such large-scale maps I prefer working with regional maps) it accumulated a concerning amount of serious lore. I've decided to just post it in this thread rather than the shitposts thread.

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When an ISOT scenario is made, at least three copies are produced: First, the land to be taken to its destination- technically this can be either copied to or copied from a location, but it's best practice to refer to the former as the first. The second is the land that replaces it- often a "virgin earth" territory identical to the copied land, but devoid of human artifacts. The third is something of a mix of the two, often badly corrupted and always thrown into the Outer Void- where it can only maintain cohesion for a century or two at most before dissolving into isolated islands of comprehensible physics and mostly-human life.

This is one example of the third.

Welcome to the United States of America, otherwise known as the land that G-d discarded.

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While technically this version of the United States sprang fully-formed (if it can be called that) from its templates, it has some differences in history from most. Most are immediately apparent- the territorial changes, the intra/inter-state divisions, and the like. The second of these should be explained further: this United States adopted a system of 'districts' within states to even out concerns of imbalance between the populations and sizes of various states. As intended, districts would have little internal power and could be changed often to reflect population changes- which is exactly the opposite of what happened.

A few areas within the United States are especially notable:

- Rocabarraigh Federal Monitoring Station, on the most stable false island ever seen (located somewhere near where Bermuda must have once been), rotates its crew every two months. It stands watch on the Inconstant Sea of Satanazes and the fizzing void beyond it, watching for signs of the void's advance. in recent decades, occasional notes have been made of sightings of objects flying above the void.

- A paired movement across Vermont, New Hampshire, and the district of Maine advocates for the official joining of the three into one state to include Maine into the Vermont-New Hampshire pact to resist Massachustrian rule. The governments of the subdistricts of Maine, being under Massachustrian puppet dictators, obviously don't want that except for the Northern subdistrict which has considerably less people than the other subdistricts and as such is consistently outvoted in the District, State, Greater State, and National votes on the topic.

- Hochelaga Island is one of a few large independent city-states, located to the north of the state of New York and to the west of the state of Lower Canada. while close to the cities of the district of Ottawa, extreme political and worldly instability in the Ottawa region led to its general abandonment- with many of the dissidents in the region fleeing into the nearby Inconstancy of Norumbega, where they discovered the abandoned and changed remains of the city of Montreal. they took up residence there, and Hochelaga Island has been a hub for those opposed to the order of things for the entire Northeast ever since.

- The "Greater State" system, where while a state may have much of its power given over to districts that same "greater state" composed of all its districts is its own separate body, became a thing a few decades after the district system itself was made law due largely to grumbling from the statesmen of Virginia but deterred by impassioned pleas from the statesmen of Maryland. The current consensus is its modern function is to make everything more difficult.

- The westernmost state of the United States has no truly name, nor do its six districts. This is because of a long-standing argument dating to the early days of western colonization in the 1910s. Many settlers of the area wished to name the land after one of the founders of the United States, but none could agree on which to name it after. As a result, the state was officially the territory of Extreme until 2000, when lawmakers agreed on a name for just long enough for the state to become the State of Anacreon. Do not refer to what is referred to in federal documents as the State of Anacreon as that within earshot of residents of that state.
 
Why does anyone care at all about petty bickering like this when existence itself is fading away? Shouldn’t they be trying to escape back to reality? Or at least to shore up against it? What happens if someone crosses the boundary? I love this world building idea and want to see more examples of it, based both ones scenarios and on classic historical (for this site and community) ISOTs. It raises a ton of fun questions.
 
Why does anyone care at all about petty bickering like this when existence itself is fading away? Shouldn’t they be trying to escape back to reality? Or at least to shore up against it? What happens if someone crosses the boundary? I love this world building idea and want to see more examples of it, based both ones scenarios and on classic historical (for this site and community) ISOTs. It raises a ton of fun questions.
The fact that the world is slowly beginning to unknit itself is seen as a crackpot theory backed up solely by contradictory records about the advance of Inconstancies. Much of the petty bickering is in the past, but the modern type tends to just be what people do! With regards to escape plans and redoubts, there is a sort of confusedness about the whole thing- indeed, such projects exist... but everyone has grown up in this world, whether by being created by the initial event or not, and so there's also a sense that this is Just How Things Work. In the public consciousness, the world outside the United States wasn't really... a thing. The Inconstancies have very fuzzy boundaries, and in fact some areas within the United States could be described as within an Inconstancy- it's not until you get fairly far out that symptoms like disorientation and limbs falling asleep begin to manifest, let alone the more obvious symptoms. This is the main reason there are very few exterior settlements- most disappear, and the situation isn't bad enough that anyone wants to risk it.
 
Thanks!
We each carry our own assumptions and preconceptions when we try to fill in a vague scenario. What areas I included did the Ottomans in your envisioning _not_ control?
I admit it has been a few months since I read the book but I wouldn't have had Ottoman rule so deep into Central Asia. Though I wouldn't have immediately given the Ottomans territory in the horn of africa I think I ultimately would have done so.
 
This started as a thought experiment about the United States being divided according to ancestry groups, and morphed into a full Soviet-style communist America.

The Union of Socialist American Republics (USAR) is constitutionally a federation of 13 Socialist American Republics (SARs), whose borders are based on ancestry groups. Most of the larger native American reservations have been reformed as Autonomous Socialist American Republics (ASARs), together with other smaller ancestry groups, and are subordinated to a SAR. Outside the ASARs, each SAR is divided into districts centred around, and named for, their most economically important city. Some SARs consist of a only single district. Each SAR also has its own flag, which is a modified version of the national flag with its spade, pickaxe and cog emblem surrounded by 13 stars for the 13 SARs plus one larger star for the union and communism itself.

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The pennsylvanian dutch socialist republic sounds really funny. the Amish are turning red
 
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The KMT almost got overthrown in the late 90s, and the CSR went through a Cultural Revolution(TM), becoming a nation similar to Vietnam.
Nice map! I have some questions, though: first, the OTL Cultural Revolution was the PRC's period of peak Maoist extremism - a violent ideological purge against capitalist and traditional elements within Chinese society; the TTL Cultural Revolution instead made the CSR "similar to Vietnam", which I assume means the exact opposite: abandonment of Maoist orthodoxy and wide-scale economic liberalisation. How in the world did that happen? And did the CSR end up changing its official name to PRC later on, like the Chinese Soviet Republic did in OTL?

Second, wouldn't the CSR find it impossible to adopt state capitalist reforms for the same reason OTL North Korea cannot - that its power would be immediately and fatally undermined by free flows of information with the far richer, capitalist RoC/South Korea?

And third, you said the KMT almost got overthrown in the late 90s, so is the RoC still an authoritarian state or illiberal democracy in 2021?
 
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isot thing i made of my home state (minnesota) to a virgin earth
the tan is not united, it is a sea of bordergore and independent farmer towns that i don't want to draw out
the lines in the tan are the big states influence over the farming towns
if you have any questions or want to know what the states are, dont hesitate to ask
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how are the native Americans dealing with it and do you have a base map for this
 
Still a WIP, but I've been making some progress on this and decided to post it anyways.

As a followup to my 1950s Punk Map, I'm doing a 1980s Punk Map (that's IMO much more interesting.) I was experimenting with some cyberpunk concepts, but couldn't find a way to do cyberpunk without going into absurdism, and my style trends towards plausibility. So I decided to go for a map that projected forward the trends of the 1980s, which became quasi-Cyberpunk by default!

In the Soviet Union, Viktor Grishin (an old Brezhnevist) came to power after Chernenko and (no pun intended) kept the party going. A China-style reform was not in the cards because the USSR did not have China's armies of cheap rural labor, and the military/agro-industrial complex was too entrenched to permit groundbreaking changes. So instead, in this timeline all you got were kludges and minor economic reforms to stave off the worst of the oil-price collapse.

The USSR eventually arrived at a new equilibrium where modest economic growth and minor trade occurs and forestalls complete chaos and penury. And the "Vozhds of the Proletariat" are a neverending parade of dying, demented fossils that aren't aware of much outside their hospital rooms, while faceless eminence grises duel for influence in the shadows.

The Warsaw Pact utterly collapsed, most states fell into chaos and ended up Finlandized, but Zhivkov (Bulgaria) and Jaruzelski (Poland) successfully maneuvered their polities into embracing the West on their own terms. The USSR's remaining allies are anti-American despotisms rather than champions of socialism.

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Cahokia was sort of a unique case in which while it was a socio-religious center recent studies have sort of reinforced the idea that it was not a permanent major population center, rather it had a relatively small population most of the time but would swell by tens of thousands during certain major days long celebrations where there would basically be giant parties, so while it could be easily restarted using it's original purpose it's unlikely it would ever serve as an actual permanent seat of political or spiritual power.
 
Territorial aggrandizement is not the only way to wank. TTL's Japan never experienced the Lost Decade, and it advanced into being a very wealthy, high-tech, corporatized powerhouse.
True, true. But it doesn't have to be outright annexations, but there was a great deal of fear at the time of Japan breaking away from the US bloc for economic rather than ideological reasons, which would probably show as Japan having its own Asian bloc.
 
Cahokia was sort of a unique case in which while it was a socio-religious center recent studies have sort of reinforced the idea that it was not a permanent major population center, rather it had a relatively small population most of the time but would swell by tens of thousands during certain major days long celebrations where there would basically be giant parties, so while it could be easily restarted using it's original purpose it's unlikely it would ever serve as an actual permanent seat of political or spiritual power.
Oo, interesting, thanks for pointing that out!
 
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