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A map I made to end my NG Glories of Eden, essentially its the game's epilogue. Unsurprisingly, its fairly ASB given how it started but if you want to see the 20 years worth of info on it: https://www.alternatehistory.com/fo...en-a-scramble-for-africa-ng-ic-thread.426298/, the events post-1880 are detailed in the map.
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Gian

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Yeah, the french and dutch bits make more sense now.

For the Russian case, its not about the amount of immigration, its about the carrying capacity of the land. Which is EXTREMELY low. Only in the Anchorage area is really able to be a settler colony, all (besides Fairbanks area) of the rest of alaska is literally just tundra and cold swamps, farming is basically impossible. Aside from mining and oil (when it is discovered), the area outside Anchorage is pretty much just useless. (For a better picture go to the area on google maps). A high amount of immigration to urban Anchorage is more doable/plausible tho. It still means that the rest of Alaska is mostly empty wasteland where it is impossible to settle.

The southern border is the real problem I have with the country tbh.

TBH, I'm largely taking my cues with regards to Alaska from this TL.
 
Oof, that's dark... Seeing as there doesn't seem to be much hope in this world I'll phrase my question like this:

What is the best/worst place to live in this world if you're rich?
What is the best/worst place to live in this world if you're middle-class?
What is the best/worst place to live in this world if you're poor?

This is assuming you're rich, poor, or whatever and also a native of the country you live in.
1) If you are rich then the ideal option is to live in Russia. There the state-monopoly economy as in the Third Reich. Corporations close to the government have giant contracts on a variety of megaprojects. For example, a network of railways with a track gauge of 3,200 millimeters(like this) covered the entire empire from Seoul to Belgrade in 1960. Also in Russia there is a giant market of 600 million people.
The worst place for the rich is in France. She suffered enormous losses in the Second World War, which led to a full transition to a planned economy.
2) The standard of living of the middle class in the USSA and Russia is not much different. The difference is that in Russia, nations have different access to benefits. If a person is a Christian/a Russian/a Slav, he will not have problems. If not, then he is deprived of many rights. While the USSA country of victorious internationalism.
Colonies are probably the worst place for the middle class. Probably because it does not exist there.
3) The best place for the poor is the USSA. There are giant social guarantees, benefits, free education and so on. Very good social lifts. Conditions have been created for the finding and development of gifted children from birth.
The core of Russia is also a good place to live for the poor if it is a Christian / Russian / Slavic. The church and the state take care of them. But social guarantees do not apply to other religions and nations.
The life of the poor worst outside of the first and second world.
 
WI: Socialism and Globalism(a.k.a. "The Left") were pro-nationalism?
> The exact POD for this world is indeterminate, but the first clear divergence it made was the birth of an alternative form of material dialectic. This alternate *Marxism provided pretty much the same analysis upon social impacts of industrial revolution, its conclusions and messages. However it has one key difference that its analysis of cultural phenomenon surrounding class divisions highlights the belligerent sense of belonging to cultural and economic constructions in a way that tribalizes social class and effectively equalize class struggle with tribal one. This equals recognition of the inherent cultural belonging of the working class as the consequences of their communalism, and regards it as essential instead of liability in bridging cultural difference among them, and to free themselves from cultural imposition by the upper class(long story short: appealing for proletariat nationalism). This intercultural cooperation philosophy will, in the long term, become THE basis of this world’s globalism. The first noticeable difference was the strong nationalist invocation by this world’s version of Paris Commune which both agitated against German occupation and denouncing the government’s nationalism for allowing it.

> The first rightist reaction to this world’s worker socialism came of course from Bismarck’s conservative revolution, which added into his welfare program extensive program of kultuurkampf equivalent(gedankenkampf) against socialism, part of which was to somewhat decrease social gap in public space by promoting popular entertainment, nationalism, even class-transcending male bonding as well as promoting egalitarianism and meritocracy within the armed forces to a certain extent. Capitalism in general in other countries also appealed extensively toward at least either shared national identity or the welfare of the workers.

> This strategy, initially successful, would prove untenable and ultimately backfiring on Germany during the Great War, during the economic crisis and plight which it caused soured the working class and general populace toward the government, and the moment Russia fell to revolution, socialist unrest quickly exploded. The Great War ended with the fall of Germany to socialist revolution, which would go to spread the revolution across eastern Europe and divided it with fellow socialist Russia. Thanks to Germany being among the pioneers of revolution, socialist system ITTL is more shaped by syndicalist management based on cooperatives. Russia, being the first socialist state and of different political model develops its own particular centralism, but even that won’t match the extent of OTL Soviet centralize management.

> Needless to say, the reaction of non-socialist Europe was fierce. Polarization led to hardline politics and with time, especially after a global depression, the rise of anti-socialist ideologies, Unionism in Britain and Fraternism in France as this world’s equivalent of third way/fascism. British Solidarism strived to strengthen nationalism over class rivalry at home and accommodate the colonial elites to support the defense of the metropole and empire at large(a bit easier here, since TTL version of socialism scared the shit out of most Indian bourgeoise and upper class), but France Fraternism had bigger ambition which is to eventually reform the entire colonial empire into Greater France. In United States, welfarism similar to New Deal developed as OTL but certainly with stronger national identity flare typical to this world. It is at this point where a third alternative politics agitating for monolithic nationalism rose in contrast to both pluralistic socialism and liberalism.

> It had always been feared that Germany and the Soviet would launch offensive war to conquer the entire Europe and Asia for socialism but it did not immediately come about for various reasons, ranging from post-Great War economic exhaustion, the following economic rebuilding, to internal politics and brief spat between the two Socialist giants over ideological difference. There was in fact a short reapproachment between Soviet Russia and France yet it fell shortly after a regime change in Russia.. By 1944, the Second Great War began between Germany and Soviet on one side against Britain, France and Italy on another. Within three years, continental Europe had become fully red. Then almost instantly, Iran would fell, Turkey joined the red menace and the reds had entered Fertile Crescent and China. This was when United States, along with Japan, finally entered the war. Yet it was not enough to save China(where Japan did most of the work) and Arabia, all the way to Egypt, from the reds. Within three years, ceasefire was called, negotiation was held and the war effectively ended in Socialist victory. The capitalist world was shaken as Europe had been conquered, Middle East and China had been lost entirely, British Empire got crippled and it was now up to Americans to save it. The first things they did was to pressure for Indian independence, creation of new nations from many colonies who had lost their ruling overlords such as Indonesia, and pull the remaining European empires into American orbit.

> As the effect of losing Europe, China and the middle east yet effectively securing India, Africa and Southeast Asia,, the Anglo-Franco-American alliance would focus their resources at developing and fortifying the regions to prevent further socialist advances. As by this time the British and French Empires, especially after Indian and Algerian independence respectively had been living solely on American life support, when the wave of decolonization struck in the ‘60s they were in no position to refuse American pressure to reform its empire and effectively opening it even more to American market integration and investment. Thus came the Project Free World, dedicated to create a post-colonial world order where Free Trade and Democracy would reign and push back against socialism, and to achieve this goal the develop nations, especially United States would provide the post-colonial states security as well as extensive investment in economy and infrastructure building in order to facilitate the growth of liberal democracy upheld by national bourgeoise. In practice, The Free World System would pragmatically tolerate authoritarian regimes, including those adopting French Fraternist nation building, as long as they would make reliable allies and members of the free market.

> Around the same time, another schism happened in the Socialist World, this time coming from their oversized gains from the Second Great War. Relying on local initiative meant liberated nations were always their own governments and armies, and United Democratic Socialist Arab Republic and Socialist People’s Republic of China are the biggest of these, more then enough to have strong independent streak and resist command centralization. Their eventual exit from Socialist Internationale drew military respond. While China was able to keep invasion at the borders, the much more vulnerable Arab Republic suffered from invasion by socialist coalition, culminating in the Great Arab War, overseeing brutal conventional and guerilla warfare, terrorism and wholesale massacres of entire cities and villages. Sensing an opportunity, United States which had been channeling to the Arabs weapons and funds from the start, decided to gave them the ultimate secret weapon. On July 6th 1968, the first nuclear bomb was deployed in combat, against the advancing coalition troopers across Sinai. In retaliation, the Germans dropped their own bomb on Cairo. This would backfire as it incited global outrage and hardened the resolve of Arab resistance. The treaty banning the deployment of nuclear weapons on combat would be signed last year, and within the next 3, the Arabs would eventually drive the invaders out of most of Arabia, except two puppet states of Basra and Bahrain on the Gulf region. The still officially socialist single party Arabia and China would proceed to join the capitalist world, providing a massive boom to Free World Economy.

> However, the cross exchange happened both ways. Independentist defiance, even violent rebellions also emerged among American clients under the Free World System which the socialists also sought to exploit. Starting from Algeria’s fall into bloody genocidal revolution which triggered the Project Free World to begin with, a few more would follow it crossing into the socialist camp, including Madagascar which provided a Socialist forward base in Indian Ocean. West Africa Republic, the largest country in Africa eventually made a turn course towards neutrality and trade with both sides which Americans could do little about. But the biggest lost would be Nigeria War, which drew America into Nigeria War supporting Biafran separatism but failed to break up Nigeria completely.

> Regardless , The Free World System would proof formidable and thriving through decades of challenges. Perhaps, some would say, overtly thriving . The successful and booming Free World Economy would give rise to new great powers in their own right, the first of which would be India in the ‘80s, here a capitalist country from the start. Followed by China , Indonesia and Arabia in the ‘90s. Eventually, the African nations, including those under Integrated African Market which was initially meant to be captive market and a march for American Grand Strategy, would develop sufficient prosperity and productivity to inspire confidence in tandem with other rising economies, to defy American dictats and hegemony. By 2000, American leadership over the capitalist world, even over democracy.

> By Present Day, United States of America remains the single most powerful nation on earth, yet the Free World System has turned against it. After a scandalous scheme to interfere with democratic process in Congo by American intelligence was uncovered, they had pretty much disengaged from power projection and policing and divert its attention closer to home, specifically to Trans-Atlantic Free Market and Partnership. This “defensive” turn, under the doctrine of New Anglo-America seeks to reform United States through reaffirmation of democratic ideology and of North American and English identity. Most of the Free World, ostensibly under a loose alliance of Global Comprehensive Reconstruction are divided under it. Two largest blocs are the Sino-Arabian Axis which the Association of West Africa and Andean Solidarity are aligned with, and Indian Ocean Forum led by ‘democratic seniors’ of India and Indonesia forwarding their own brand of ‘pluralistic democracy’. Technically aligned with Indian Forum, Central Africa Common Market quietly harbors its own agenda for Africa. And lastly, there’s South American Economic Community which is neutral on America-Reconstructionist divide and only seeks to trade with both of them.

> Today’s world continues to be plagued by various problems. But perhaps the most prolific at the moment would be the growth of radical Islamic Socialism which has sparked terrorism in India and Arabia and has spread its presence across the muslim world. It has of course led to accusation of socialist bloc’s backing, which it has not openly denied. Pundits have attributed it to American resignation from leadership of the Free World and the absence of any real united defense which has allowed it to be exposed. Yet the socialist world itself isn’t exempt from problem. The development of its indigenous computering network, which has made relations German European and Russian Soviet economic structures increasing efficient has inspired vision for their eventual merging. This alarms the more independent minded socialist nations such as Iberian Union and the centralist regime in Iran which fear eventual absorption. And lastly, there’s climate change, which begins earlier ITTL due to Southern Hemisphere development beginning much earlier. While the world has avoided any major refugee crisis thanks to early demographic transition, it still has to face harsher season, sea level rise and acidification, desert expansion , increasing storm and creeping tropics. On the bright side, more developed and somewhat less populated world is also more prepared to adapt, perhaps even to reverse the process in the long term.

> Overall, the world is heading for uncertain future, and there are growing calls for eventual supranational governing body to ensure peace between nations and ideological blocs and to facilitate cooperation in social, economic and environmental matters. And hopefully, to eventually get various space program to join forces and expand humanity’s frontier beyond earth. But of course that nations and tribes will remain the basic building blocs of humanity, no one is agitating for something as preposterous as uniting humanity as a single state, for example. Although one would argue about how large or small these nations and tribes should get.
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So, a long time ago, I read Napoleon53's dystopian timeline "What Madness is This?", and decided to make a map of the Republican Union. It ended up getting really detailed, so much so that it took almost a year to complete, working on and off. I just recently finished it, and after some classic holiday procrastination, I've finally gotten around to sharing it. Happy belated New Year, everyone!

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So, a long time ago, I read Napoleon53's dystopian timeline "What Madness is This?", and decided to make a map of the Republican Union. It ended up getting really detailed, so much so that it took almost a year to complete, working on and off. I just recently finished it, and after some classic holiday procrastination, I've finally gotten around to sharing it. Happy belated New Year, everyone!

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To Part 5
Part 6 of my series : November 1942.
Germany's Vistula offensive slows down after the Russian Niemen offensive reaches the German frontier, with the priority being not having any German territory that'd be uneasy to get back under Russian occupation, especially not East Prussia. This does not stop Germany from defeating the South Bohemian pocket. Hungary meanwhile clears Ciscarpathian Ruthenia and the Western Banat. Romania and Turkey join the German alliance and continue their offensives in Bukovina and Basarabia.
Due to internal tensions, Spain decides to keep the soldiers busy and declares war on France. The country is taken unaware, and this incites Italy to join in. Much of Southern France rapidly falls. England declares its status as a non-belligerent ally of Spain. French troops are moved from the German frontier to establish a line along the Isère and Loire.
The Thracians inexorably push towards Tsargrad, while the other rebellions make some headway after brutal fighting.
The Welsh and Scottish offensive continues, with a large amount of territory falling to the Coalition. Cornwall however still surrenders and is annexed by the English Socialist Republic, which winds up with only one front left. The North...
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Occupations by the end of November :
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fashbasher

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Fantastic. Please do a Dying Dragon next.

The Second Warring States Period

It all began with the best of intentions. An economic slump in 2019 and the collapse of the DPP in the ensuing Taiwanese elections, along with continued growth in mainland China, led to a Kuomintang triumph and the most substantive steps toward a reconciliation between the two Chinas in living memory. For the first time ever, an all-China parliament (consisting of delegates from both Beijing and Taipei) would be seated in 2024 - albeit with a limited scope of handling "external threats to the Chinese nation". Beijing would be allowed to send 5 delegates to the Legislative Yuan, and Taipei in turn would be allowed to have a vote in the National People's Congress - democratically elected, as Kuomintang insisted. The two countries issued a declaration stating that "there is only one China and we hope that we can in time reunite our governments based on shared ground." Indeed, the PRC proved to be surprisingly willing to reform, especially after the 2019 bitcoin crash led to protests in Inner Mongolia. China agreed to open its prisons to international observers, to allow for multiple parties to form and contest elections so long as they "pledged loyalty to the People's Republic of China", to increase religious freedom, to reduce the cult of personality around Chairman Mao, and to formally apologize for the Tiananmen Square incident. In exchange, Taiwan agreed to allow the Communist Party of China to field candidates in Taiwanese elections, to open up to mainland Chinese immigration, and to recognize Beijing as equally legitimate. At the same time, China had succeeded in defanging North Korea, where it had installed a reform-minded puppet who was a fourth cousin of Kim Jong-un and was rapidly opening the economy and to some extent the internet.

The big disaster that some had feared for decades - a collapse of the Chinese housing market and an ensuing debt crisis - occurred in November 2027. The proximate cause of that collapse was an emergency all-China parliament to address a post-2024 spike in housing prices in Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, and almost the entire island of Taiwan, where mainland (and North Korean) investors and workers seeking higher wages had been migrating faster than new homes could be built. Both the PRC and Taiwan agreed to impose sharp limits on second homes and to allow municipalities to go further, including seizing unoccupied or overly luxurious homes and turning them over to needy citizens. It was that last, desperate measure to stop the price increases that worked beyond anyone's wildest expectations. The growth of the Chinese economy had been predicated in large part on the emergence of private property rights, and the government willy-nilly seizing homes without compensation sounded more like something from the Chavez or Mugabe playbook than from the more level-headed style of governance associated with Hu, Xi, Jiang, and Deng. With Chinese citizens realizing that their government could rip their homes from them and not pay back a dime, the country's deeds were no longer worth the paper they were printed on. Although the government attempted to rein in abuses of the law, confidence in the Chinese housing market was shattered. 2028 saw dozens of developer and bank failures and numerous companies (local and Western) offshoring their operations out of fear that their physical plant would be seized without payment, and a massive left-wing insurgency arose out of initially peaceful protests. Much of the 2024-2027 building boom was fueled by low-wage North Korean guest workers, who now had no jobs and no money and who viewed the current Chinese government as "no better than the Kims." By the end of 2029, North Korea was once again under doctrinaire Communist rule (albeit modeled on the Rojava experiment, which was embraced by Maher al-Assad as a way of reintegrating Syria following the end of the war), as was the Manchurian rust belt and the poor, multiethnic regions of Qinghai and Yunnan. This wave of unrest provided an opening for irredentism - Inner Mongolia and (Outer) Mongolia both experienced revolutions that united the two countries under a far-left government and Xinjiang's Muslim majority gladly pledged allegiance to Kazakhstan and Pakistan (although the latter has been unable to competently administer southern Xinjiang, and that territory may well change loyalties to Tibet). Tibet, of course, is independent, and the knock-on effects of the Second Warring States Period have allowed anarchists to seize several municipalities in far eastern Russia. Lastly, portions of Guangdong and Hainan have been able to attain autonomy, demanding a greater degree of fiscal and political freedom from Beijing in exchange for remaining loyal. Even Beijing's future within China is unclear, as two cities to the north of it - along with much of Manchuria - have aligned themselves with the Mongols, and attacks from the Yuan Commune on malls and government buildings in the capital are not uncommon. Both Hainan and the urbanized northwest of Taiwan have occasional rebellions (mainly from PRC workers who've accused Taipei of sitting back while the mainland smolders), although those are put down within a month in most cases. All in all, continental East Asia is not a fun place to be right now, as Taiwan, China, Mongolia, North Korea, and even parts of Russia are in a state of revolution.

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I mean the Chinese government being able to seize property and money is why rich Chinese people already invest massively in housing abroad as security.

They may have liberalized their economies, but they still have the whole communist apparatus for when it's needed, and they aren't really afraid to use it.

I find it weird that what's basically a left wing move with the seizure of unused homes to assist people would spark a left wing insurgency.
 
So, a long time ago, I read Napoleon53's dystopian timeline "What Madness is This?", and decided to make a map of the Republican Union. It ended up getting really detailed, so much so that it took almost a year to complete, working on and off. I just recently finished it, and after some classic holiday procrastination, I've finally gotten around to sharing it. Happy belated New Year, everyone!

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Now that's Turtledove Award-winning quality right here. Good job.
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So, a long time ago, I read Napoleon53's dystopian timeline "What Madness is This?", and decided to make a map of the Republican Union. It ended up getting really detailed, so much so that it took almost a year to complete, working on and off. I just recently finished it, and after some classic holiday procrastination, I've finally gotten around to sharing it. Happy belated New Year, everyone!

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fashbasher

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I mean the Chinese government being able to seize property and money is why rich Chinese people already invest massively in housing abroad as security.

They may have liberalized their economies, but they still have the whole communist apparatus for when it's needed, and they aren't really afraid to use it.

I find it weird that what's basically a left wing move with the seizure of unused homes to assist people would spark a left wing insurgency.

The riots come about due to the economic collapse, a belief that the wealthy Chinese are stabbing their country in the back, and blaming the Deng Xiaoping liberalization for "going way too far" and allowing inequality to go so high that it broke the housing market. The red areas are mainly Rojava-inspired libertarian socialist collectives who view state socialism and state capitalism as equally bad.
 
The People's Socialist Atlas - December 21st, 2017
So, I'm leaving the forums. I know it doesn't really matter much, but this place has been a big part of my life for over three years. I figured, if I was going to close this chapter of my life to move to other things, I needed to close things out with a bang. And what better bang than a Christmas present to strangers?

I decided to write an atlas. The People's Socialist Atlas is an atlas made from the perspective of a communist United States that underwent a revolution in the 1920's. The PoD of the atlas is that there was a larger and more successful Paris Commune, which lead to increased paranoia around the world. It's a full book. It's over 200 pages, and over 50,000 words. I began writing it in 2016 with the intention that it would be done by the beginning of 2017. It didn't. It took me up until today to finally finish this project. It was a collaboration with @Noravea, who put up with my incessant nagging. I received a lot of help with writing from @Asami and @Fox-Fire, who were both extremely supportive of my endeavor.

I'm going to post one part of the atlas every day from today until Christmas, when the whole thing will be posted along with every single map.

There are thirteen maps in the atlas. Four I'm extremely proud of, and all took me hours upon hours to make. That's why I'm posting the atlas here. In each post, there should be more than one map, which I think qualifies it to belong in this thread.

The rest of the writing should speak for itself. Today, I'll be posting pages 1 to 74 of the Atlas. That's the first half of the "American History" section, and includes maps of the American Revolution and the United American Socialist Republics. CLICK ON THE IMAGE BELOW TO CHECK OUT ALL THE PAGES, or click here. I'm very excited for you all to see what I've been working on for the past few months. :) I had a great time working on it, so I hope you all have an even better time reading it. Please, enjoy!


Today's maps:

The United American Socialist Republics (it's too big to post here, so click on the image to see the full thing!):

The American Revolution:
Wow great stuff!
 
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