List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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Out of curiosity, why do some people put the Republicans as blue and the Democrats as red? I just use their official colours.
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Speaking only for myself: the official red/blue scheme seems only to have solidified around, or maybe just after, the 2000 election. Both major parties' pre-2000s logos included red, white, and blue, for the obvious reason I guess. Before then I seem to recall blue associated with the Republican party and red with the Democratic party -- such as on electoral maps in grade school civics textbooks, for example ;) All the maps have looked like color inversions to me these twenty years! It's honestly been bugging me a little this whole time, haha.

As for why the shift, I'm not sure. I might have read somewhere ages ago that in 2000, with the Democrats the incumbent presidential party, news networks colored the states voting for Gore blue signifying incumbency, and states voting for Bush red signifying "insurgency." No idea how true that is. If that is more or less true, and then that election was of course, uh, the election that it was... and then 9/11... cultural fault lines something something... there's a to-me-at-least-plausible picture of how "red states and blue states" became A Thing -- which the parties have since accepted by each adopting "their" official color.

Cultural associations of colors and politics are funny. It seems to me the major US parties do use red and blue to subtly signal things about themselves and the other party. Obviously that can't have been planned out pre-2000; it's just one of those contingent things we "ended up with." I wonder how an AH timeline could tweak that a little. If the Democrats had "officially" become the party of Redness and Republicans the party of Blueness, what different kinds of emotional political appeal could the colors play to?
 
KirkSolo

KirkSolo

Banned
Third Time's the Charm
1945-1949 VP Harry Truman (D-MO)/VACANT
1949-1953 President Harry Truman (D-MO)/Sen. Alben Barkley (D-KY)
1948 def. Gov. Thomas Dewey (R-NY)/Gov. Earl Warren (R-CA), Gov. Strom Thurmond (DX-SC)/Fielding Wright (DX-MS)
1953-1963 General Dwight Eisenhower (R-NY) † /Sen. Richard Nixon (R-CA)
1952 def. President Harry Truman (D-MO)/Sen. Richard Russell
1956 def. Sen. Richard Russell (D-GA)/Sen. James Fulbright (D-AR)
1960 def. Sen. Lyndon Johnson (D-TX)/Gov. Adlai Stevenson (D-IL)
1963-1965 VP Richard Nixon (R-CA)/VACANT
1965-1977 Sen. John F. Kennedy (D-MA)/Sen. Stuart Symington (D-MO)
1964 def. President Richard Nixon (R-CA)/Sen. Hugh Scott (R-PA)
1968 def. Sen. Barry Goldwater (R-AZ)/Fmr. Gov. John Davis Lodge (R-CT)
1972 def. Gov. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY)/Sen. Richard Schweiker (R-PA)
1977-1989 Sen. Edward Brooke (R-MA)/Sen. Charles Mathias (R-MD)
1976 def. Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV)/Gov. George Wallace (D-AL)
1980 def. Sen. Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX)/Sen. George McGovern (D-SD)
1984 def. Gov. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV)/Gov. Bob Graham (D-FL)
1989-1993 Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL)/Sen. Gary Hart (D-CO)
1988 def. VP Charles Mathias (R-MD)/Gov. George Deukmejian (R-CA)
1993-2005 Sen. John McCain (R-AZ)/Fmr. Gov. John H. Sununu (R-NH)
1992 def. President Paul Simon (D-IL)/VP Gary Hart (D-CO)
1996 def. Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA)/Fmr. Gov. Jerry Brown (D-CA)
2000 def. Sen. John Kerry (D-MA)/Sen. Tom Daschle (D-SD)
2005-2007 Sen. John Edwards (D-NC) ® /Fmr. Gov. Howard Dean (D-VT)
2004 def. VP John H. Sununu (R-NH)/Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE)
2007 VP Howard Dean (D-VT)/VACANT
2007-2021 President Howard Dean (D-VT)/Sen. Hillary Rodham (D-IL)
2008 def. Sen. John Thune (R-SD)/Gov. Mitch Daniels (R-IN)
2012 def. Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)/Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI-1)
2016 def. Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA)/Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL)
2021-2025 Comedian Roseanne Barr (R-HI)/Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ)
2020 def. VP Hillary Rodham (D-IL)/Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD)
2025-2029 Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL)/Sen. Paul Wellstone 🛇 (D-MN)
2024 def. President Roseanne Barr (R-HI)/VP Chris Christie (R-NJ)
2029-2037 President Barack Obama (D-IL)/Sen. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)
2028 def. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)/Sen. Patrick McHenry (R-NC)
2032 def. Sen. Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA)/Gov. Spencer Cox (R-UT)

† Died in office
🛇 Declined to run again
® Resigned
* Assassinated (not used)
 
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Newne76

Generic American President List
33. Charles E. Hughes† /Roscoe C. Patterson (Republican)
(January 20,1937-April 26, 1945)
1936 Def: Allan L. Benson/George R. Kirkpatrick (Democratic)
1940 Def: Ellison D. Smith/Theodore G. Bilbo (Democratic)
1944 Def: Burton K. Wheeler/Walter F. George (Democratic)
34. Roscoe C. Patterson/Vacant (Republican)
(April 26, 1945-January 20,1949)
35. William H. King† /Homer Bone (Democratic)
(January 20th,1949-September 14, 1950)
36. Homer Bone†/Vacant (Democratic)
(September 14, 1950-January 15, 1952)
37. Sam Rayburn/Vacant (Democratic)
(January 15, 1952-January 20, 1953)
38. Sam Rayburn/John Stennis (Democratic)
(January 20, 1953-January 20, 1957)
1952 Def: Howard A. Smith/ Kenneth Keating(Republican)
39. John C. Stennis/Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
(January 20, 1957-January 20, 1965)
1956 Def: Harold Stassen/John W. Bricker (Republican)
1960 Def: Alfred M. Gruenther/Harold Stassen (Republican)
40. Barry Goldwater/George Wallace (Republican)
(January 20, 1965-January 20, 1973)
1964 Def: Harry F. Byrd/Barry Goldwater[1] (New State with cross endorsement from the Democratic party)
1968 Def: George Lincoln Rockwell/Richard Nixon (Independent)
41. George Wallace/Lyndon B. Johnson® (Republican)
(January 20, 1973-January 22, 1974)
1972 Def: George Lincoln Rockwell/Malcom X (A New America)
George Wallace/Vacant (Republican)
(January 22, 1974-September 15, 1974)
George Wallace®/ Martin Luther King Jr (Republican)
(September 15, 1974-October 5, 1976)
42. Martin Luther King Jr/Vacant (Republican)
(October 5, 1976-January 20, 1977)
Martin Luther King Jr®/George Wallace (Republican)
(January 20, 1977-March 4, 1978)
1976 Def: Robert Byrd/Strom Thurmond (National Cause)
43. George Wallace/Vacant (Republican)
(March 4, 1978-April 15, 1979)
George Wallace®/Martin Luther King Jr (Republican)
(April 15, 1979- September 18, 1980)
44. Martin Luther King Jr/Vacant (Republican)
(September 18, 1980-January 20, 1981)
45. George Wallace®/Martin Luther King Jr (Republican)
(January 20, 1981-November 10, 1983)
1980 Def: Jimmy Carter/Rosa Parks (Democratic)
46. Martin Luther King Jr/Vacant (Republican)
(November 10, 1983-January 20, 1985)
47. George Wallace®/Martin Luther King Jr (Republican)
(January 20, 1985-April 4, 1987)
1984 Def: Pat Robertson/Walter Washington (Democratic)
48. Martin Luther King Jr/Vacant (Republican)
(April 4, 1987-January 20, 1989)
49. George Wallace®/Martin Luther King Jr (Republican)
(January 20, 1989-September 14, 1992)
1988 Def: Douglas Wilder/Al Gore (Democratic)
50. Martin Luther King Jr/Vacant (Republican)
(September 14, 1992-January 20, 1993)
51. George Wallace®/Martin Luther King Jr (Republican)
(January 20, 1993-April 15, 1995)
1992 Def: Paul Simon/Gary W. Hart (Democratic)
52. Martin Luther King Jr/Vacant (Republican)
(April 15, 1995-January 20, 1997)
53. John C. Stennis/David Duke (Democratic)
(January 20, 1997-January 20, 2001)
1996 Def: Hal Rodgers/Jim McCrerey (Republican)
54. Robert F. Kennedy Jr/David Koresh (Democratic)
(January 20, 2001-January 20, 2009)
2000 Def: Ted Bundy/Strom Thurmond (Republican)
2004 Def: Gary Johnson/Alan Keyes (Republican)
55. David Koresh/Essie May-Washington Williams† (Republican)
(January 20, 2009-January 2, 2011)
2008 Def: Grey Davis/Michael Bloomberg (Democratic)
David Koresh/Vacant (Republican)
(January 2, 2011-January 20, 2013)
55. David Koresh®/Sarah Palin (Republican)
(January 20, 2013- April 15, 2014)
2012 Def: Jimmy Carter/Michael Dukakis (Democratic)
56. Sarah Palin/Vacant (Republican)
(April 15, 2014-January 20, 2017)
Sarah Palin/Orrin Hatch (Republican)
(January 20, 2017-present)
2016 Def: Joe Manchin/Gary Locke (Democratic)
2020 Polls:
President Sarah Palin (R-AK)/Vice President Orrin Hatch (R-UT): 49.9%
Former Vice President David Duke (D-LA)/ Senator George Wallace Jr(D-AL): 47.5%
Other: 2.6%
[1] Declined the vice presidential nomination but was accepted unanimously as the VP nominee for the New State party.
† Died in office
® Resigned
 
Padric1938

Padric1938

Did anyone say Neoliberalism?
Jimmy Carter (D-GA)/Walter Mondale (D-MN) 1977-1985
1976 def. Gerald Ford (R-MI)/Bob Dole (R-KS)
1980 def. John Anderson (R-IL)/John Heinz (R-PA)
Walter Mondale (D-MN)/Geraldine Ferraro (D-NY) 1985-1993
1984 def. George Bush (R-TX)/Phil Crane (R-IL)
1988 def. Paul Laxalt (R-NV)/Alexander Haig (R-PA)
Joe Biden (D-DL)/Lloyd Bentsen (D-TX) 1993-2001
1992 def. Bob Dole (R-KS)/Lamar Alexander (R-TN) Jesse Jackson (P-MD)/Bill Bradley (P-NJ)
1996 def. Richard Lugar (R-IN)/Pete Wilson (R-CA) Micheal Dukakis (D-MA)/Paul Wellstone (P-MN)
Joe Lieberman (D-CT)/John Kerry (D-MA) 2001-2009
2000 def. Fred Thompson (R-TN)/John Kasich (R-OH) Howard Dean (P-VT)/John Edwards (P-NC)
2004 def. Paul Wellstone (P-MN)/Dennis Kucinich (P-OH) Newt Gingrich (C-GA)/Pat Buchanan (C-VA) John McCain (R-AZ)/John Ashcroft (R-MO)
Hillary Rodham (DL-IL)/Chris Dodd (DL-CT) 2009-2017
2008 def. Mike Huckabee (C-AR)/Alan Keyes (C-MD) John Edwards (P-NC)/Bernie Sanders (P-VT) Mitt Romney (R-MA)/Sam Brownback (R-KS)
2012 def. Ed Markey (P-MA)/Tom Udall (P-NM) Gary Johnson (R-NM)/Buddy Roemer (R-LA) Rick Santorum (C-PA)/Rick Perry (R-TX)
Sherrod Brown (DL-OH)/Cory Booker (DL-NJ) 2017-
2016 def. Elizabeth Warren (P-MA)/Jeff Merkley (P-OR) Rand Paul (R-KY)/Jeb Bush (R-FL) Scott Walker (C-WI)/Lindsey Graham (C-SC)
2020 Election:
Padric1938 (M-CA)/Kanye West (M-IL) 100%
Sherrod Brown (DL-OH)/Cory Booker (DL-NJ) 0%
Ted Cruz (C-TX)/Marsha Blackburn (C-TN) 0%
Tom Cotton (R-AR)/Nikki Haley (R-SC) 0%
Tammy Baldwin (P-WI)/Andrew Yang (P-NY) 0%
 

dw93

The Land of Lincoln is the Land of Presidents:
POD is Ike declining to seek another term after his 1955 heart Attack.

34. Dwight Eisenhower / Richard Nixon (Republican): 1953-1957
35. Adlai Stevenson II / Estes Kefauver (Democratic): 1957-1963 [1]
35. Adlai Stevenson II / Vacant (Democratic): 1963-1965
36. Everett Dirksen / Mark Hatfield (Republican): 1965-1969 [2]
37. Richard J. Daily / Terry Sanford (Democratic): 1969-1973
38. Charles Percy / Howard Baker (Republican): 1973-1981
39. Adlai Stevenson III / Dale Bumpers (Democratic): 1981-1989
40. Jim Thompson / Jack Kemp (Republican); 1989-1993
41. Paul Simon / Sam Nunn (Democratic): 1993-2001
42. Jim Edgar / John McCain (Republican): 2001-2009
43. Barack Obama / Brian Schweitzer (Democratic): 2009-2017
44. Jim Oberweis / Brian Sandoval (Republican): 2017-2021
45. Tammy Duckworth / Jeff Merkley (Democratic): 2021-Incumebt
 

Ethan P

Banned
Based on comic series The Boys:
US PRESIDENTS SINCE 1989:
1989-1993: VP George HW Bush of Texas/Governor Bob Schaefer of North Dakota
1988: def. Governor Michael Dukakis of Massachusetts/Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa
1993-2001: Governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas/Governor Mario Cuomo of New York
1992: def. President George HW Bush of Texas/VP Bob Schaefer of North Dakota, Businessman Ross Perot of Texas/Former Governor Moonbeam Brown of California
1996: def. Businessman Donald J. Trump of New York/Former Senator Dan Quayle of Indiana, Businessman Ross Perot of Texas/Governor Dick Lamm of Colorado
2001-2006: Senator (and former VP) Bob Schaefer of North Dakota**/Businessman Vic Neumann of Texas
2000: def. Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana (def. Dan Quayle in 1992)/Governor Chuck Schumer of New York
2004: def. Former SecDef Wesley Clark of Oklahoma/Governor John Kerry of Massachusetts (since there's a character running for Senate in Mass. in 2008, I need John Kerry out the way)
2006-2007: VP Vic Neumann of Texas***/VACANT
2007-2009: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi of California/Former President George HW Bush of Texas
2009-2013: Former Governor Mitt Romney of Massachusetts/Governor Dan Coats of Indiana
2008: def. Governor John Edwards of North Carolina/Senator Carl Levin of Michigan (won popular vote)
2013-present: Senate Majority Whip Barack Obama of Illinois/Governor Liz Warren of Oklahoma
2012: def. President Mitt Romney of Massachusetts/Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich of Georgia, VP Dan Coats of Indiana/Rep. Rand Paul of Kentucky
 
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Newne76

glenn67 said:
If I am not mistaken, George Wallace and MLK switch places numerous times between 1972 and 1996 before handing the Presidency over to a 95 year old John Stennis. Am I missing something here?
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George Wallace and MLK frequently resigned and had each other as running mates to get around term limits, as it's set that a president who fills out a full term can only run for two more terms, but since they both kept resigning before the completion of their term, they were able to run for multiple incomplete terms. (This was backed by a supreme court saying that incomplete terms of office did not count as a full term, so any president can be eligible for running as long as they want, provided they resign from the presidency before the completion of their term.)
John Stennis won some nostalgia for a Democratic presidency, and with a lot of reminiscing about late 50s/early 60s, so he was able to win, coupled with massive party fatigue that had already seeped in by the early 1980s (both the house and senate remained Democratic from 1982 to 1994)
 
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PNWKing

PNWKing

Banned
Carolina In My Mind
1969-1977: Strom Thurmond/John Stennis
1977-1981: Terry Sanford/Jimmy Carter
1981-1989: Carroll Campbell/Ronald Reagan
1989-1993: James G. Martin/George H.W. Bush
1993-2001: Richard Riley/Hillary R. McDonald
2001-2009: Erskine Bowles/Lanny Davis
2009-2017: Nikki Haley/John Kasich
2017-2021: Henry McMaster/Paul Ryan
2021-2025: Roy Cooper/Mike Gabbard, Jr. ^
^ Did you see what I did there.
 
Luke_Starkiller

Luke_Starkiller

Almost Heaven, West Virginia

1969-1975: Hubert Humphrey (DEM-MN) / Robert C. Byrd (DEM-WV)
1975-1981: Robert C. Byrd (DEM-WV) / Mo Udall (DEM-AZ)
1981-1989: Arch Moore (REP-WV) / Howard Baker (REP-TN)
1989-1993: Jay Rockefeller (DEM-WV) / Mario Cuomo (DEM-NY)
1993-1997: Cleve Benedict (REP-WV) / Richard Lugar (REP-IN)
1997-2001: Homer Hickam (IND-WV) / Bernadine Healy (IND-OH)
2001-2009: Gaston Caperton (DEM-WV) / John Kerry (DEM-MA)
2009-2017: David McKinley (REP-WV) / Scott Walker (REP-WI)
2017-0000: Sylvia Mathews Burwell (DEM-WV) / Anthony G. Brown (DEM-MD)
 
Qaz_plm

Qaz_plm

Banned
1970-1975:Edward Heath(Conservative)
1970:Harold Wilson(Labour),Jeremy Thorpe(Liberal)
1974(February):Harold Wilson(Labour),Jeremy Thorpe(Liberal)
1974(October):Harold Wilson(Labour),Jeremy Thorpe(Liberal)
1975-1976:Margaret Thatcher(Conservative)
1976-1980:Denis Healey(Labour)
1976:Margaret Thatcher(Conservative),David Steel(Liberal)
1980-1983:Roy Jenkins(Labour/Liberal Coalition)
1980:Keith Joseph(Conservative)
1983-1992:Cecil Parkinson(Conservative)
1983:Roy Jenkins(Labour),David Steel(Liberal)
1987:David Owen(Progressive Alliance),Tony Benn(Worker's Labour)
1992-1994:Norman Fowler(Conservative)
1994-2007:Shirley Williams(Progressive Alliance)
1994:Norman Fowler(Conservative),Tony Benn(Worker's Labour)
1997:Michael Portillo(Conservative),Tony Benn(Worker's Labour),Peter Mandelson(New Future!)
2001;Michael Portillo(Conservative),Tony Benn(Worker's Labour)
2003:Ken Clarke(Conservative),George Galloway(Worker's Labour),Peter Bone(One Nation)
2005:Eric Pickles(Conservative),George Galloway (Worker's Labour),Nigel Farage(One Nation)
2007-2010:David Davis(Conservative/One Nation Coalition)
2007:Shirley Williams(Progressive Alliance),George Galloway (Worker's Labour)
2010-2015:Chuka Umunna(Progressive Alliance)
2010:David Davis (Conservative),Nigel Farage(One Nation)
2013:Ann Widdecombe(British Conservative Party),Diane Abbott(Worker's Labour)
2015-2020:Hilary Benn(Worker's Alliance)
2015:Ann Widdecombe(British Conservative Party)
2020-????:Liam Fox(British Conservative Party)
2020:Hilary Benn(Worker's Alliance)
 

Ethan P

Banned
Kerry Wins in 2004, but some-fucking-how still wins in 2008: A Pretty ASB scenario, but why not?
2005-2009: Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts/Senator John Edwards of North Carolina
2004: def. President George W Bush of Texas/VP Dick Cheney of Wyoming
2009-2013: President John Kerry of Massachusetts/Senator Roy Cooper of North Carolina (runs in 2004; wins)
2008: def. Former VP Dick Cheney of Wyoming/Former Governor Mike Huckabee of Arkansas
2013-2017: Senator Mitt Romney of Massachusetts/Former Secretary of State Colin Powell of New York
2012: def. VP Roy Cooper of North Carolina/Secretary of State Evan Bayh of Indiana
2017-2025: Senator Barack Obama of Illinois/Former Secretary of Defense William McRaven of Texas
2016: def. President Mitt Romney of Massachusetts/House Minority Whip Paul Ryan of Wisconsin
2020: def. House Minority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia/Former VA Secretary Tom Cotton of Arkansas
2025-now: Governor Erin Stewart of Connecticut/Former Governor Barbera Comstock of Virginia
2024: def. Senator Kirsten Gillibrand of New York/Governor Donna Edwards of Maryland
TL;DR: Bad opposition candidates + appointed senators actually made to win + John Edwards’ wife dying a couple years earlier == 2004 NOT being a poisoned, searing-hot, explosive-rigged chalice.
 
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captainchicken6034

Kennedy as McKinley
John F. Kennedy/Lyndon Johnson 1961-1965
John F. Kennedy/Hubert H. Humphrey 1965
Hubert H. Humphrey/Edmund Muskie 1965-1973
George McGovern/Kevin White 1973-1977
Richard Nixon/John Connally 1977-1985
Gary Hart/Michael Dukakis 1985-1987
Michael Dukakis/John Glenn 1987-1993
Bill Clinton/Bob Graham 1993-1997
John McCain/Lamar Alexander 1997-2005
John McCain/Mike Huckabee 2005-2009
John McCain/Jeb Bush 2009
Jeb Bush/Mitt Romney 2009-2017
William McRaven/Amy Klobuchar 2017-2025
Marco Rubio/Ted Cruz 2025-2027
Ted Cruz/Ron DeSantis 2027-2033
Amy Klobuchar/Pete Buttigieg 2033-2037
Amy Klobuchar/Beto O'Rourke 2037-2038
Beto O'Rourke/Richard Ojeda 2038-2041
George P. Bush/John James 2041-2045
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez/Ayanna Pressley 2045-2053
Ayanna Pressley/Val Demmings 2053-2057
Josh Hawley/Brian Fitzpatrick 2057-2065
 
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