List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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Keep going--it's nice to see a well-developed scenario. This thread often has too much shitposting.
A List of Presidents of the United States that began with assassins as running mates but turned into this instead.
7. Andrew Jackson*/Richard Lawrence (Democratic)
(March 4th,1829-January 30th,1835)
1828 Def: Davy Crockett/John Ross (Frontier)
1832 Def: Charles Caroll/Henry Clay (Constitution)
8. Richard Lawrence/Vacant (Democratic)
(January 30th,1835-March 4th,1837)
9. Hugh White/Robert Rhett (Nullification)
(March 4th,1837-March 4th,1845)
1836 Def: John Eaton/Francis Granger (Populist)
1840 Def: James G. Birney/Joseph Smith (New Faith)
10. Joseph Smith/John Tyler (New Faith)
(March 4th,1845-March 4th,1849)
1844 Def: Levi Boone/Neal Dow (Temperance)
11. John Tyler/William L. Garrison (Labor)
(March 4th,1849-March 4th,1853)
1848 Def: William Henry Harrison/Brigham Young (Heaven)
12. William Lloyd Garrison/John Brown (Abolitionist)
(March 4th,1853-March 4th,1865)
1852 Def: John Quitman/Joshua R. Giddings (Politics Makes Strange Bedfellows)
1856 Def: Roger B. Taney/Frederick Douglas (Anti-Abolitionist)
1860 Def: Stephen A. Douglas/Frederick Douglas (Slave Power)
13.Jefferson Davis/Daniel S. Dickinson (Populist)
(March 4th,1865-March 4th,1873)
1864 Def: Salmon P. Chase/Matthew Brady (Photograph Unity)
1868 Def: Matthew Brady/ Cassius M. Clay (Photograph Unity)
14. Peter Cooper/Gilbert De La Matyr (Greenback)
(March 4th,1873-March 4th,1877)
1872 Def: John P. Jones/Isham G. Harris(Silver Democrat)
15. William L. Wilson/Isham G. Harris (Bourbon Democratic)
(March 4th,1877-March 4th,1885)
1876 Def: George B. McClellan/Calvin S. Brice (Military Hell)
1880 Def: David Dudley Field II/William M. Tweed (Corruption)
16. David B. Hill/Alton Parker (Bourbon Democratic)
(March 4th,1885-March 4th,1893)
1884 Def: Charles J. Guiteau/James Garfield (Assassins for America)
1888 Def: Leon Czolgosz/William McKinley (Assassins for America)
17.Benjamin Tillman/James K. Vardaman (Southern Populist)
(March 4th,1893-March 4th,1901)
1892 Def:Jim Hogg/Zebulon B. Vance (Radical South)
1896 Def: Matt W. Ransom/George G. Vest (Radical Patriots of Dixie)
18. John Sharp Williams/Frank Black (Conservative)
(March 4th,1901-March 4th,1913)
1900 Def:Lafayette Young/Theodore Roosevelt (Moderate Unity)
1904 Def: George Dewey/John Dewey (Last Name Alliance)
1908 Def: John Dewey/George Dewey (Let's Try This Again Alliance)
19. Charles S. Dewey/George Dewey (Let's Give This One More Try Alliance)
(March 4th,1913-March 4th,1917)
1912 Def: Woodrow Wilson/Judson Harmon (Surrender Enthusiasts)
20. Carter Glass/Edward I. Edwards (Repetition Front)
(March 4th,1917-March 4th,1921)
1916 Def: Charles S. Dewey/George Dewey (Let's Give This One More Try Alliance)
21. John Sharp Williams/Charles A. Towne (Conservative)
(March 4th,1921-March 4th,1929)
1920 Def:Brainbridge Colby/Thomas J. Walsh (Unity and Labor)
1924 Def:Helen Keller/Morris Shepard (Prohibition on Deaf Ears)
22. Morris Shepard/Heber J. Grant(Prohibition)
(March 4th,1929-March 4th,1933)
1928 Def:John D. Rockfeller Jr./Elanor Roosevelt (Anti-Prohibition)
23. Helen Keller/Andrew Jackson Houston (Socialist)
(March 4th,1933-January 20th,1941)
1932 Def: Morris Shepard/Heber J. Grant (Prohibition)
1936 Def:Henry Skillman Breckenridge/Will Rodgers (Comedic Rally)
24.Henry Ford*/Charles Lindenberg (Nationalist)
(January 20th,1941-December 15th,1947)
1940 Def: Alf Landon/Charles L. McNary (Radical)
1944 Def:Amelia Earhart/Upton Sinclair (Communist)
25. Charles Lindbergh/ Vacant (Nationalist)
(December 15th,1947-January 20th,1949)
25. Charles Lindbergh/Huey Long (Nationalist)
( January 20th,1949-January 20th,1953)
1948 Def:Thomas Dewey/John Dewey (Let's Give This One Final Try, for Real This Time, Alliance)
26. Carl Andrew Spaatz/Norman Schwarzkopf Sr. (Nationalist)
(January 20th,1953-January 20th,1961)
1952 Def: Upton Sinclair/Thomas Dewey (Communist)
1956 Def: Douglas MacArthur/William "Bull" Halsey (Communist)
27.Barry Goldwater/Curtis LeMay (Nuclear Holocaust)
(January 20th,1961-January 20th,1981)
1960 Def:Alfred M. Gruenther/George H.W Bush (Federalist)
1964 Def:Harold Stassen/George Wallace (Federalist)
1968 Def: John Volpe/Robert Kennedy (Democratic-Federalist-Rejuvenation)
1972 Def: Nelson Rockfeller/Lyndon B. Johnson(Let's Try to Beat Goldwater)
1976 Def: Frank Carlson/Strom Thurmond (Let's Try Again to Beat Goldwater)
28. Clint Eastwood/Ross Perot (Communist)
(January 20th,1981-January 20th,1993)
1980 Def: Ellen McCormack/Michael Dukakis (Labor)
1984 Def: Michael Dukakis/Connie Mack III (Labor)
1988 Def: Michael Dukakis/Jimmy Carter (Nice Guys Finish First)
29.Fritz Hollings/Connie Mack III (Conservative)
(January 20th,1993-January 20th,2001)
1992 Def:Saddam Hussein/George H.W Bush (Labor)
1996 Def: Bill Clinton/Alan Keyes (Labor)
30.Orrin Hatch/Mitt Romney (Conservative)
(January 20th,2001-January 20th,2005)
2000 Def: Fritz Hollings/Connie Mack III (Populist)
31. Barry Goldwater Jr./Howard Baker (Communist)
(January 20th,2005-January 20th,2013)
2004 Def: Bob Dole/Dan Quayle (Union)
2008 Def: Bill Clinton/Bill Nelson (Same Name Alliance)
32. Ross Perot/Bill Gates (Billionaires for America)
(January 20th,2013-January 20th,2017)
2012 Def: Muammar Gaddaffi/Tiger Woods (Dictators and Golf)
33.Orrin Hatch/George W. Bush (Conservative)
(January 20th,2017-present)
2016 Def: Sarah Palin/George Deukmejian (What's the Worst that Could Happen)
*=Assassinated
7. Andrew Jackson*/Richard Lawrence (Democratic)
(March 4th,1829-January 30th,1835)
1828 Def: Davy Crockett/John Ross (Frontier)
1832 Def: Charles Caroll/Henry Clay (Constitution)
8. Richard Lawrence/Vacant (Democratic)
(January 30th,1835-March 4th,1837)
9. Hugh White/Robert Rhett (Nullification)
(March 4th,1837-March 4th,1845)
1836 Def: John Eaton/Francis Granger (Populist)
1840 Def: James G. Birney/Joseph Smith (New Faith)
10. Joseph Smith/John Tyler (New Faith)
(March 4th,1845-March 4th,1849)
1844 Def: Levi Boone/Neal Dow (Temperance)
11. John Tyler/William L. Garrison (Labor)
(March 4th,1849-March 4th,1853)
1848 Def: William Henry Harrison/Brigham Young (Heaven)
12. William Lloyd Garrison/John Brown (Abolitionist)
(March 4th,1853-March 4th,1865)
1852 Def: John Quitman/Joshua R. Giddings (Politics Makes Strange Bedfellows)
1856 Def: Roger B. Taney/Frederick Douglas (Anti-Abolitionist)
1860 Def: Stephen A. Douglas/Frederick Douglas (Slave Power)
13.Jefferson Davis/Daniel S. Dickinson (Populist)
(March 4th,1865-March 4th,1873)
1864 Def: Salmon P. Chase/Matthew Brady (Photograph Unity)
1868 Def: Matthew Brady/ Cassius M. Clay (Photograph Unity)
14. Peter Cooper/Gilbert De La Matyr (Greenback)
(March 4th,1873-March 4th,1877)
1872 Def: John P. Jones/Isham G. Harris(Silver Democrat)
15. William L. Wilson/Isham G. Harris (Bourbon Democratic)
(March 4th,1877-March 4th,1885)
1876 Def: George B. McClellan/Calvin S. Brice (Military Hell)
1880 Def: David Dudley Field II/William M. Tweed (Corruption)
16. David B. Hill/Alton Parker (Bourbon Democratic)
(March 4th,1885-March 4th,1893)
1884 Def: Charles J. Guiteau/James Garfield (Assassins for America)
1888 Def: Leon Czolgosz/William McKinley (Assassins for America)
17.Benjamin Tillman/James K. Vardaman (Southern Populist)
(March 4th,1893-March 4th,1901)
1892 Def:Jim Hogg/Zebulon B. Vance (Radical South)
1896 Def: Matt W. Ransom/George G. Vest (Radical Patriots of Dixie)
18. John Sharp Williams/Frank Black (Conservative)
(March 4th,1901-March 4th,1913)
1900 Def:Lafayette Young/Theodore Roosevelt (Moderate Unity)
1904 Def: George Dewey/John Dewey (Last Name Alliance)
1908 Def: John Dewey/George Dewey (Let's Try This Again Alliance)
19. Charles S. Dewey/George Dewey (Let's Give This One More Try Alliance)
(March 4th,1913-March 4th,1917)
1912 Def: Woodrow Wilson/Judson Harmon (Surrender Enthusiasts)
20. Carter Glass/Edward I. Edwards (Repetition Front)
(March 4th,1917-March 4th,1921)
1916 Def: Charles S. Dewey/George Dewey (Let's Give This One More Try Alliance)
21. John Sharp Williams/Charles A. Towne (Conservative)
(March 4th,1921-March 4th,1929)
1920 Def:Brainbridge Colby/Thomas J. Walsh (Unity and Labor)
1924 Def:Helen Keller/Morris Shepard (Prohibition on Deaf Ears)
22. Morris Shepard/Heber J. Grant(Prohibition)
(March 4th,1929-March 4th,1933)
1928 Def:John D. Rockfeller Jr./Elanor Roosevelt (Anti-Prohibition)
23. Helen Keller/Andrew Jackson Houston (Socialist)
(March 4th,1933-January 20th,1941)
1932 Def: Morris Shepard/Heber J. Grant (Prohibition)
1936 Def:Henry Skillman Breckenridge/Will Rodgers (Comedic Rally)
24.Henry Ford*/Charles Lindenberg (Nationalist)
(January 20th,1941-December 15th,1947)
1940 Def: Alf Landon/Charles L. McNary (Radical)
1944 Def:Amelia Earhart/Upton Sinclair (Communist)
25. Charles Lindbergh/ Vacant (Nationalist)
(December 15th,1947-January 20th,1949)
25. Charles Lindbergh/Huey Long (Nationalist)
( January 20th,1949-January 20th,1953)
1948 Def:Thomas Dewey/John Dewey (Let's Give This One Final Try, for Real This Time, Alliance)
26. Carl Andrew Spaatz/Norman Schwarzkopf Sr. (Nationalist)
(January 20th,1953-January 20th,1961)
1952 Def: Upton Sinclair/Thomas Dewey (Communist)
1956 Def: Douglas MacArthur/William "Bull" Halsey (Communist)
27.Barry Goldwater/Curtis LeMay (Nuclear Holocaust)
(January 20th,1961-January 20th,1981)
1960 Def:Alfred M. Gruenther/George H.W Bush (Federalist)
1964 Def:Harold Stassen/George Wallace (Federalist)
1968 Def: John Volpe/Robert Kennedy (Democratic-Federalist-Rejuvenation)
1972 Def: Nelson Rockfeller/Lyndon B. Johnson(Let's Try to Beat Goldwater)
1976 Def: Frank Carlson/Strom Thurmond (Let's Try Again to Beat Goldwater)
28. Clint Eastwood/Ross Perot (Communist)
(January 20th,1981-January 20th,1993)
1980 Def: Ellen McCormack/Michael Dukakis (Labor)
1984 Def: Michael Dukakis/Connie Mack III (Labor)
1988 Def: Michael Dukakis/Jimmy Carter (Nice Guys Finish First)
29.Fritz Hollings/Connie Mack III (Conservative)
(January 20th,1993-January 20th,2001)
1992 Def:Saddam Hussein/George H.W Bush (Labor)
1996 Def: Bill Clinton/Alan Keyes (Labor)
30.Orrin Hatch/Mitt Romney (Conservative)
(January 20th,2001-January 20th,2005)
2000 Def: Fritz Hollings/Connie Mack III (Populist)
31. Barry Goldwater Jr./Howard Baker (Communist)
(January 20th,2005-January 20th,2013)
2004 Def: Bob Dole/Dan Quayle (Union)
2008 Def: Bill Clinton/Bill Nelson (Same Name Alliance)
32. Ross Perot/Bill Gates (Billionaires for America)
(January 20th,2013-January 20th,2017)
2012 Def: Muammar Gaddaffi/Tiger Woods (Dictators and Golf)
33.Orrin Hatch/George W. Bush (Conservative)
(January 20th,2017-present)
2016 Def: Sarah Palin/George Deukmejian (What's the Worst that Could Happen)
*=Assassinated
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Every where I go I see this ridiculous things
And you seem to be the one to make them
For that, I applaud you
Also Socialist Hellen Keller?
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Well she was a member OTL, so I thought if "I'm making this shitpost I might as well go all in."
I wasn't expecting such a fast response to my most recent list. Seeing a lot of wonderful people liked it, i have to make a second part.
49. Joseph P. Kennedy III / Peggy Flanagan (Democratic-Progressive) 2041-2049
Defeated 2040: Todd Young / Elise Stefanik (Republican)
Defeated 2044: Elise Stefanik / Josh Romney (Federal Republican) Josh Hawley / Bristol Palin (Tea Party)
80 years after his great uncle, John F. Kennedy, took office, 3 term Massachusetts Senator, and former 6 term representative Joseph P. Kennedy III would take office at age 60. His running mate was freshman Senator and Former Governor Peggy Flanagan of Minnesota. President Kennedy oversaw the fall of the Grand Old Party in 2041, after existing for 187 years. The parties would split into the Federal Republicans, the more centrist faction of the former GOP, and the Tea Party. Kennedy would be best known for the restoration of the Kennedy legacy into politics. Despite this, Kennedy wasn't known for much else, other than the second destruction of the US-Mexico border wall, this time for good, as well as the implementation of a universal healthcare system. Many feared he would hold the same fate as his great uncle, but he made two full terms, and left office at age 68.
50. Donald J. Trump Jr. / Charlie Kirk (Greater America Movement) 2049-2051 [Impeached]
Defeated 2048: Peggy Flanagan / Rashida Tlaib (Democratic-Progressive)
The Presidency of Donald Trump Jr. was much like the first half of his father's presidency. Much of it consisted of a giant investigation. The specific investigation was not an investigation of foreign election interference, but a lobbying scandal. In March of 2051, it was found that the Trump Company, and Vice-President Kirk's "Turning Point USA" company, illegally funded Trump's 2048 presidential campaign. a 6 month impeachment process led to the impeachment of both the President and the Vice-President on October 1st, 2051. The Speaker of the House would ascend to the presidency immediately.
51. Pete Buttigeig / Chelsea Clinton (Democratic-Progressive) 2051-2053
Buttigieg was an elder statesman, taking the presidency at 69 years of age. He was also the first gay President. Her career consisted almost entirely of her being in the House of Representatives. First being elected in 2024, winning the open seat left by 20 term representative Pete Visclosky (D-IN). He served in the House of Representatives for almost 27 years, or 14 terms in office. He rose through the ranks, eventually becoming the House Democratic Leader in 2037, and eventually House Speaker in 2045. He picked Senator Chelsea Clinton (DP-NY) to fill the slot of VP, and she would be confirmed overwhelmingly, entering office on January 3rd, 2052. Murphy helped bring the nation together after the impeachment of her predecessor, and retired in 2053.
Part 3?
49. Joseph P. Kennedy III / Peggy Flanagan (Democratic-Progressive) 2041-2049
Defeated 2040: Todd Young / Elise Stefanik (Republican)
Defeated 2044: Elise Stefanik / Josh Romney (Federal Republican) Josh Hawley / Bristol Palin (Tea Party)
80 years after his great uncle, John F. Kennedy, took office, 3 term Massachusetts Senator, and former 6 term representative Joseph P. Kennedy III would take office at age 60. His running mate was freshman Senator and Former Governor Peggy Flanagan of Minnesota. President Kennedy oversaw the fall of the Grand Old Party in 2041, after existing for 187 years. The parties would split into the Federal Republicans, the more centrist faction of the former GOP, and the Tea Party. Kennedy would be best known for the restoration of the Kennedy legacy into politics. Despite this, Kennedy wasn't known for much else, other than the second destruction of the US-Mexico border wall, this time for good, as well as the implementation of a universal healthcare system. Many feared he would hold the same fate as his great uncle, but he made two full terms, and left office at age 68.
50. Donald J. Trump Jr. / Charlie Kirk (Greater America Movement) 2049-2051 [Impeached]
Defeated 2048: Peggy Flanagan / Rashida Tlaib (Democratic-Progressive)
The Presidency of Donald Trump Jr. was much like the first half of his father's presidency. Much of it consisted of a giant investigation. The specific investigation was not an investigation of foreign election interference, but a lobbying scandal. In March of 2051, it was found that the Trump Company, and Vice-President Kirk's "Turning Point USA" company, illegally funded Trump's 2048 presidential campaign. a 6 month impeachment process led to the impeachment of both the President and the Vice-President on October 1st, 2051. The Speaker of the House would ascend to the presidency immediately.
51. Pete Buttigeig / Chelsea Clinton (Democratic-Progressive) 2051-2053
Buttigieg was an elder statesman, taking the presidency at 69 years of age. He was also the first gay President. Her career consisted almost entirely of her being in the House of Representatives. First being elected in 2024, winning the open seat left by 20 term representative Pete Visclosky (D-IN). He served in the House of Representatives for almost 27 years, or 14 terms in office. He rose through the ranks, eventually becoming the House Democratic Leader in 2037, and eventually House Speaker in 2045. He picked Senator Chelsea Clinton (DP-NY) to fill the slot of VP, and she would be confirmed overwhelmingly, entering office on January 3rd, 2052. Murphy helped bring the nation together after the impeachment of her predecessor, and retired in 2053.
Part 3?
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I tried to take my time on this, but I ran out of ideas for the list. I will probably make a part 3 once i get some more ideas.
People Recognised as Head of State by the City of San Francisco
2017-2021: Donald Trump (Republican), as President of the United States
2016 (with Mike Pence) def. Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2021-2021: Mike Pence (Republican), as Acting President of the United States
2020 (disputed); Pete Buttigieg / Rashida Tlaib (Democratic) v Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
2021-2021: Pete Buttigieg (Democratic), as President of the United States
2020 (with Rashida Tlaib) def. Donald Trump (Republican)
2021-2022: Rashida Tlaib (Democratic), as President of the United States
2022-2022: Nancy Pelosi (Democratic), as President of the United States
2022-2023: Disputed between the City and County of San Francisco and the San Francisco Autonomous Zone
2023-0000: Brace Belden (Democratic Socialists of America), as Nominated Convenor of the San Francisco Autonomous Zone
2017-2021: Donald Trump (Republican), as President of the United States
2016 (with Mike Pence) def. Hillary Clinton (Democratic)
2021-2021: Mike Pence (Republican), as Acting President of the United States
2020 (disputed); Pete Buttigieg / Rashida Tlaib (Democratic) v Donald Trump / Mike Pence (Republican)
2021-2021: Pete Buttigieg (Democratic), as President of the United States
2020 (with Rashida Tlaib) def. Donald Trump (Republican)
2021-2022: Rashida Tlaib (Democratic), as President of the United States
2022-2022: Nancy Pelosi (Democratic), as President of the United States
2022-2023: Disputed between the City and County of San Francisco and the San Francisco Autonomous Zone
2023-0000: Brace Belden (Democratic Socialists of America), as Nominated Convenor of the San Francisco Autonomous Zone
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Buttigieg narrowly wins the Democratic nomination but as a relative unknown nationally, he doesn't really get the momentum up and 2020 is a dead heat in the electoral college. The wildly disproportional Senate easily renominates Mike Pence for President, but its more complicated in the House. The requirement for state delegations to settle on a nomination leads to a deadlock, meaning that by January 2021, Pence is inaugurated as Acting President of the United States. While technically the House continues to grimly slog it out, most have reconciled themselves to at least two years of President Pence until a Second Blue Wave gives the Democrats the numbers to put Buttigieg in the White House. The national mood remains unpleasant thanks in part to Trump's Mock Oval Office in Trump Tower and is continued close relationship with Pence.
Then the economic goes haywire in February 2021. Unemployment soars, and protests flood American cities. A Second Occupy Movement emerges to organise this outburst in anger, forming tent cities in parks and public squares, and most notably picketing Trump Tower. These protests in turn attract counter-protestors from the alt-right. And in Portland, Oregon a clash between protestors lead to deaths on both sides. The police intervene, but too late. No-one for sure knows what started the fighting, but battle lines have been drawn. Militias in the depressed heartland rise up, overwhelming the under-resourced constabulary. The 'Free State of Jefferson' cuts off water to the rest of California, while food shipments are raided by militias.
The San Francisco City Government formally recognises Buttigieg as President, but he is nowhere to be found. It is assumed that he was detained by the Pence government as violence spread across the country. In his absence, they turn to Rashida Tlaib but she too has been arrested - for sedition. Nancy Pelosi, a California Congresswoman has managed to flee to her home state, and as Speaker is acknowledged as President. The country teeters on the brink of open civil war.
Except all are not happy in San Francisco. Pelosi opens up talks with Pence, a figure of hate for the Occupy movement. They declare a San Francisco Autonomous Zone, joining similar moves by the Occupiers in Portland, Seattle, New York, Los Angeles and others. The police are sent in to try and bring an end to the Occupy Movement but they are divided against themselves as certain officers object to heavy handed tactics. Over the course of the following year, an overstretched and half-starved California State Government withdraw from San Francisco. The Autonomous Zone does not see fit to acknowledge a President of the United States, settling with broadcasting the legitimacy of their Nominated Convenor to the world.
Oof
Are you going to continue this but with different parts of the country?
Stephanie Murphy isn't a natural born citizen, and so can't be president.
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