List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II

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Here is my alternate list of presidents, starting from 2004, when the Democratic convention decides to nominate John Edwards (D - NC) for president. Edwards wins the electoral college by 8 electoral votes.
44. John Edwards (D - NC) 2005 - 2009
VP: John Kerry (D - MA) 2005 - 2009
2004 def.
George W. Bush (R - TX) Dick Cheney (R - WY)
45. John McCain (R - AZ) 2009 - 2013
VP: Sarah Palin (R - AK) 2009 - 2013
2008 def.
John McCain (R - AZ) Sarah Palin (R - AK)
46. Hillary Clinton (D - NY) 2013 - 2021
VP: Joe Biden (D - DE) 2013 - 2017, Tim Kaine (D - VA)
2012 def. Mitt Romney (R - MA) Paul Ryan (R - WI)
2016 def. Donald Trump (R - NY) Mike Pence (R - IN)
47. John Kasich (I - OH) 2021 - 2024 (Unity Party 2024 - 2029)
VP: John Hickenlooper (D - CO) 2021 - 2024 (Unity Party 2024 - 2028*) Susan Collins (U - ME) 2028 - 2029
2020 def. Tim Kaine (D - VA) Kirsten Gillibrand (D - NY) Mike Pence (R - IN) Rex Tillerson (R - TX)
2024 def. Julian Castro (Progressive - TX) Tulsi Gabbard (P - HI) Dennis Prager (Conservative - NY) Alex Jones (C - TX)
48. Ben Shapiro (C - CA) 2029 - 2033
VP: Tomi Lahren (C - SD) 2029 - 2033
2028 def. John Delaney (New Democrat- MD) Ana Kasparin (ND - CA) Rand Paul (Libertarian - KY) Alex Jones (L - TX)
 
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35. Richard Nixon Republican Henry Cabot Lodge
def. Joseph Kennedy Democratic Lyndon B. Johnson
36. Lyndon B Johnson Democratic Hubert Humphrey
def. Richard Nixon Republican Henry Cabot Lodge
 
GermanDjinn

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A redo of a thing I posted on here a few months back, I kinda wanted to make this in a full TL but I simply don't have the motivation to research it enough to make it the quality I would want it to be (plus college is starting soon, and hey, an art degree doesn't earn itself :openedeyewink:). The basic POD is Ford is reelected and things get weird from there:


Vice Pres. Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Gov. Spiro Agnew (R-MD) 1969-1973
1968 def. Vice Pres. Hubert Humphrey (D-MN) / Sen. Edmund Muskie (D-ME), Gov. George Wallace (Am Ind-AL) / Gen. Curtis LeMay (Am Ind-CA)
1972 def. Sen. George McGovern (D-SD) / Mr. Sargent Shriver (D-MD)

Pres. Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Vacant 1973-1973
Pres. Richard Nixon (R-CA) / Rep. Gerald Ford (R-MI) 1973-1974

Pres. Gerald Ford (R-MI) / Vacant 1974-1974
Pres. Gerald Ford (R-MI) / Gov. Nelson Rockefeller (R-NY) 1974-1977
Pres. Gerald Ford (R-MI) / Gov. Ronald Reagan (R-CA) 1977-1978
1976 def. Gov. Jimmy Carter (D-GA) / Sen. Walter Mondale (D-MN)

Pres. Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Vacant 1978-1979
Pres. Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Sen. Edward Brooke (R-MA) 1979-1981

Sen. John Glenn (D-OH) / Sen. Gary Hart (D-CO) 1981-1989
1980 def. Pres. Ronald Reagan (R-CA) / Vice Pres. Edward Brooke (R-MA)
1984 def. Vice Pres. Edward Brooke (R-MA) / Rep. John Anderson (R-IL), Rep. Jack Kemp (C-NY) / Sen. Jesse Helms (C-NC)

Vice Pres. Gary Hart (D-CO) / Sen. Fred Harris (D-OK) 1989-1997
1988 def. Gov. Thomas Kean (R-NJ) / Sen. Bob Dole (R-KA), Sen. Jesse Helms (C-NC) / Sen. Orrin Hatch (C-UT)
1992 def. Gov. Lowell Weicker (R-CT) / Sen. John Heinz (R-PA), Mr. Pat Buchanan (C-VA) / Sen. Dan Quayle (C-IN)

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) / Gov. George Pataki (R-NY) 1997-2005
1996 def. Sen. Zell Miller (C-GA) / Rep. Donald Rumsfeld (C-IL), Sec. William Clinton (D-AR) / Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA)
2000 def. Sen. Al Gore (D-TN) / Gov. Gaston Caperton (D-WV), Rep. Donald Rumsfeld (C-IL) / Sen. Richard Shelby (C-AL)

Gov. Brian Schweitzer (D-MT) / Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) 2005-2009
2004 def. Gov. Bill Weld (R-NY) / Gov. George Voinovich (R-OH), Gov. Newt Gingrich (C-GA) / Sen. Mike Huckabee (C-AR)

Gov. John Bush (R-FL) / Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) 2009-2017
2008 def. Pres. Brian Schweitzer (D-MT) / Vice Pres. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), Sen. Sam Brownback (C-KS) / Rep. Chuck Baldwin (C-FL)
2012 def. Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV) / Sen Mike Gravel (D-AK), Rep. Rand Paul (C-PA) / Gov. Alan Keyes (C-MD)

Gov. Donald Trump (D-NJ) / Sen. Harold Ford Jr. (D-TN) 2017-20XX
2016 def. Sen. Arlen Specter (R-PA) / Gov. Carly Fiorina (R-CA), Sen. Mike Huckabee (C-AR) / Gov. Chuck Grassley (C-IA)


Basic Party Rundown:
(D)emocrats- Socially Moderate, economically populist
(R)epublicans- Socially and economically liberal
(C)onservatives- Socially conservative, economically libertarian

Boring and Probably ASB Lore:
Ford is narrowly reelected but shot into his term, leaving him paralyzed from the waist down and resigning from the presidency to focus on recovery (he would later become active in party politics again as an elder statesmen until his death in 1998). This leaves former actor and governor Ronald Reagan president. Known as a firebrand crusader for conservatism and the free market Reagan put these policies into action to combat inflation, and while at first it seems to work, an oil shortage causes everything to turn upside down. Facing unpopularity from his party's liberal wing as well as minorities due to his controversial cutting of new deal and great society programs, Reagan taps Massachusetts senator Edward Brooke to become his Vice President (as well as future running mate). 1980 comes around and so does the Iranian revolution, Reagan loses the election just like Carter did IOTL (and anyone in office from 77-81 would've tbh) and the Democratic ticket of John Glenn and Gary Hart is elected into office. Basically image a middle ground between the Clinton administration and the Johnson administration for what it'd be like in terms of policy. In 1984 a lasting split occurs in the GOP, with the party's right wing splitting off after being snubbed in the convention and defeated in the primaries due to their association with Nixon and Reagan. They form the Conservative Party and run and ticket of Jack Kemp and Jesse Helms, gaining 17% of the popular vote. Gary Hart with Fred Harris would go on and be elected in 1988 and 1992 governing basically like the IOTL Clinton administration. 1996 would prove to be the Democrat's worst year and the Conservative's best year, with the Democratic ticket being rocked with three different sex scandals regarding sitting president Gary Hart, Presidential nominee former Secretary of State William J. Clinton and Vice Presidential nominee Ted Kennedy, as well as an unpopular war in Cuba and failed intervention in Yugoslavia. The Conservative ticket came in second in the elctoral college with 171 electoral vote and 3rd in the popular vote with 31%. John McCain would end up winning and prove to be a popular two term president having record high approval ratings with both parties, and leading the country through the devastating October 14th attack on the Twin Towers and Statue of Liberty in 2003 by Serbian nationalists. being followed by Montana Governor Brian who was defeated in his reelection bid by Florida Governor John Bush over his handling of the 2007 stock market crash as well as several blunders and gaffs said on the campaign trail. The Bush administration was fairly popular and had several landmark achievements such as the legalization of gay marriage and the formal end of the military presence in Cuba. With the popular vote percentages at 42%-Trump, 41%-Specter and 16%-Huckabee, the 2016 election was the closest election in the nation since 1996 when no candidate got over 40%. President Trump is currently at an approval rating of 53%, down from 65% at the beginning of his term. Most have attributed this to his handling of the Kaliningrad crisis and the financial uncertainty caused by his trade war with ASEAN.

sorry if anything looks weird, it's currently almost 3 AM and I'm fairly sleep deprived
 

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A pretty generic one, where Theodore Roosevelt wins the 1912 election.
25. William McKinley 1897 - 1901**
26. Theodore Roosevelt 1901 - 1909
27. William Howard Taft 1909 - 1913
28. Theodore Roosevelt 1913 - 1919*
29. John M. Parker 1919 - 1925
30. Robert M. LaFollette Sr. 1925 - 1925*
31. Burton K. Wheeler 1925 - 1929
32. Herbert Hoover 1929 - 1933
33. Franklin Delano Roosevelt 1933 - 1945*
34. Henry Wallace 1945 - 1949
35. Thomas E. Dewey 1949 - 1953
36. Dwight D. Eisenhower 1953 - 1961
37. John F. Kennedy 1961 - 1963**
38. Lyndon B. Johnson 1963 - 1969
39. Richard Nixon 1969 - 1974 (R)
40. Ronald Reagan 1974 - 1981
41. John B. Anderson 1981 - 1985
42. Gary Hart 1985 - 1989
43. Bob Dole 1989 - 1993
44. Bill Clinton 1993 - 2001
45. John McCain 2001 - 2009
46. Mike Huckabee 2009 - 2013
47. Mitt Romney 2013 - 2017
48: Donald Trump 2017 - present

Party Layout:
Progressive Republican: Socially and fiscally liberal
Conservative: Socially and fiscally conservative
New Democracy: Socially liberal, fiscally moderate
America First: Socially moderate, fiscally conservative
 
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RoughRider26 said:
My list of Confederate Presidents:
1. Jefferson Davis 1861 - 1867
2. Robert E. Lee 1867 - 1870*
3. Alexander H. H. Stuart 1870 - 1873
4. Benjamin Gratz Brown 1873 - 1879
5. Edmund Pettus 1879 - 1885
6. John G. Carlisle 1885 - 1891
7. Henry Watterson 1891 - 1897
8. Richard P. Bland 1897 - 1899*
9. Walter Clark 1899 - 1903
10. Francis Cockrell 1903 - 1909
11. Clark Howell 1909 - 1915
12. Woodrow Wilson 1915 - 1921
13. William Gibbs McAdoo 1921 - 1927
14. Guy D. Goff 1927 - 1933*
15. John Q. Tilson 1933 - 1933 (two months)
16. John Nance Garner 1933 - 1939
17. Cordell Hull 1939 - 1945
18. Harry F. Byrd 1945 - 1951
19. Estes Kefauver 1951 - 1957
20. Dwight D. Eisenhower 1957 - 1963
21. Lyndon B. Johnson 1963 - 1969
22. Strom Thurmond 1969 - 1975
23. Jimmy Carter 1975 - 1981
24. John Connally 1981 - 1987
25. Pat Robertson 1987 - 1993
26. Pat Buchanan 1993 - 1999
27. George W. Bush 1999 - 2005
28. John McCain 2005 - 2011
29. Ron Paul 2011 - 2015
29. Ron Paul 2015 - 2017
30. Ted Cruz 2017 - present

Blue = Democrat
Red = Republican
Orange = Libertarian
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There are a lot of people that were born in the north/families from the north on this list (Bush, McCain, Paul, Eisenhower), is there any sort of POD for this?
 
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RoughRider26 said:
My POD is that the CSA wins. The reason why i have those people as president is because they were born or lived in the CSA in this timeline. Bush Sr was born in Connecticut, but Bush Jr was born in Texas. Eisenhower was born in Texas. McCain lived in the borders of an alternate arizona in the CSA. Yes Ron Paul was born in PA, I realized that and i will edit that soon.
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So their families moved to the CSA? Eisenhower might've been born in Texas but much of his youth was spent in Kansas (Dwight considered the town of Abilene, Kansas his home town), Bush jr was born in New Haven Connecticut, McCain is plausible I will admit as his family were once plantation owners in Mississippi.
 

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RoughRider26 said:
My POD is that the CSA wins. The reason why i have those people as president is because they were born or lived in the CSA in this timeline. Bush Sr was born in Connecticut, but Bush Jr was born in Texas. Eisenhower was born in Texas. McCain lived in the borders of an alternate arizona in the CSA. Yes Ron Paul was born in PA, I realized that and i will edit that soon.
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Why would HW move though?
 

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RoughRider26 said:
Bush Sr was born in Connecticut, but Bush Jr was born in Texas. Eisenhower was born in Texas.
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But if the Texas is part of a different country, it doesn't mean that their families would necessarily move there— or that if they did, that they would necessarily achieve the same success (GWB would have no family connections to pull on, for instance).

Sorry, I know you're new at this and I don't mean to discourage you, but this list is much too convergent. Families follow the same migrations, figures follow very similar career paths (after a point, all are presidents or candidates IOTL as well), and even the party names match (a CSA likely wouldn't have a Republican Party— and it seems similarly unlikely that the D/R parties would duly swap ideologies). A good alternate history starts from the POD and tries to assess how that would impact later developments; for a list, the questions to ask are "whose career would be altered by this? which figures would become footnotes, and which obscure figures have a combination of qualities that they might be elevated?" There's nothing wrong with leaning on popular OTL figures occasionally— I think it's often a good idea to sprinkle in a few— but leaning on them too heavily diminishes the idea of crafting an alternate history.

I think you've actually got the seeds of an enjoyable list at the beginning, though! You just need to keep on that path.
 

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Nixon is elected President in 1960
35. Richard Nixon/Henry Cabot Lodge Jr 1961-1965
36. Lyndon B. Johnson/Hubert Humphrey 1965-1969
37. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew 1969-1973
38. Spiro Agnew/John Connally 1973-1973 (R)
39. John Connally/Gerald Ford/Howard Baker
1973-1981
40. Howard Baker/Jesse Helms 1981-1985
 
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Anarcho-Occultist

The Center Cannot Hold
Henry Wallace/vacant 1945-1949
Robert Taft/Joe McCarthy 1949-1953 (Died in office)
Joe McCarthy/vacant 1953-1957
Hubert Humphrey/Lyndon B. Johnson 1957-1961
Barry Goldwater/Richard Nixon 1961-1969
George McGovern/Edmund Muskie 1969-1973
John Rarick/Sam Yorty 1973-1977
Mike Gravel/Eldridge Cleaver 1977-1981
Jack Kemp/Alexander Haig 1981-1989
Lyndon LaRouche/Ralph Nader 1989-1997
Pat Buchanan/Ron Paul 1997-2001
Brian Moore/Al Sharpton 2001-2009
David Duke/Steve King 2009-2017
Jim Webb/Mark Cuban 2017-2021
Adam Kokesh/Thomas E. Woods 2021-2023 (Office abolished)


 
Mumby

Mumby

From God-Fearing To God-Building

Archbishops of Canterbury

1903-1922: Randall Davidson (Establishment Anglican)

Commissioners for Religious Affairs

1922-1929: Tom Mann (Disestablishment Anglican), Administrator of the Church of England until 1924
1929-1931: James Barr (Presbyterian)
1931-XXXX: John Hargrave (New Proletarian), Headman of the Covenant of the New Proletarian from 1934

The British Revolution tore down many centuries old institutions that mere years ago had seem unbreakable. But perhaps the writing was on the wall for the Church of England, even before the Revolution. Disestablishment had come to Wales before then, and when the revolutionary government set about remaking the nation, they imitated that model. They had no desire, at that point in time, to prevent anyone from worshipping the Anglican God if they wished, but its days of being the state church were over. Tom Mann retired in 1929, and at the point the position of Commissioner for Religious Affairs had become purely administrative. There was even talk of abolishing the position altogether, folding it into either the Interior Commission or the Education Commission.

It wasn't to be. While Barr maintained the traditional position of maintaining a rigid division between Church and State, a vacuum had been opened up by Disestablishment. While the old churches were not explicitly persecuted, their message no longer gelled with a state ideology that was nearly explicitly atheist. Anatoly Lunacharsky, exiled from Russia's far more militant revolution, found his ideas thrived in British soil. A new religion of humanity that emphasised socialist morality was called for, to fill the void left behind by Disestablishment. The appointment of John Hargrave to the Commission was the completion of this idea, as he constructed the Covenant of the New Proletarian, building on the basic structure of Anglicanism, but using the symbology of Marxism. Pagan ideas were integrated to a greater and greater extent over time.
 

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List of presidents if there was a one term limit

Gray: Independent
Green: Federalist
Purple: Democrat-Republican
Blue: Democrat
Dark Yellow: National Republican
Orange: Whig
Red: Republican
Rose: Liberal Republican
Aquamarine: Populist
Turqoise: Democratic-Populist

* = died in office
** = assassinated
(R) = resigned

1. George Washington/John Adams 1789-1793
2. John Adams/Thomas Jefferson 1793-1797
3. Thomas Jefferson/Thomas Pinckney 1797-1801
4. Aaron Burr/Charles C. Pinckney 1801-1805
5. Charles C. Pinckney/Rufus King 1805-1809
6. James Madison/George Clinton* 1809-1812, Vacant 1812-1813
7. DeWitt Clinton/Jared Ingersoll 1813-1817
8. James Monroe/Daniel D. Tompkins 1817-1821
9. Daniel D. Tompkins/John Quincy Adams 1821-1825
10. John Quincy Adams/John C. Calhoun 1825-1828
10. John Quincy Adams/John C. Calhoun 1828-1829
11. Andrew Jackson/John C. Calhoun 1829-1832 (R) Vacant 1832-1833
12. Henry Clay/John Sargeant 1833-1834
12. Henry Clay/John Sargeant 1834-1837
13. Martin Van Buren/Richard M. Johnson 1837-1841
14. William Henry Harrison*/John Tyler 1841
15. John Tyler/Vacant 1841-1845
16. James K. Polk/George M. Dallas 1845-1849
17. Zachary Taylor*/Millard Filmore 1849-1850
18. Millard Filmore/Vacant 1850-1853
19. Franklin Pierce/William R. King* 1853, Vacant 1853-1857
20. James Buchanan/John C. Breckinbridge 1857-1861
21. Abraham Lincoln/Hannibal Hamlin 1861-1865
22. George B. McClellan/George H. Pendelton 1865-1869
23. Ulysses S. Grant/Schuyler Colfax 1869-1873
24. Benjamin Gratz Brown/Vacant 1873-1877
25. Rutherford B. Hayes/William A. Wheeler 1877-1881
26. James Garfield**/Chester A. Arthur 1881
27. Chester A. Arthur/Vacant 1881-1885
28. Grover Cleveland/Thomas A. Hendricks* 1885, Vacant 1885-1889
29. Benjamin Harrison/Levi P. Morton 1889-1893
30. James B. Weaver/James G. Field 1893-1897
31. William McKinley/Garrett Hobart* 1897-1898, Vacant 1898-1901
32. William Jennings Bryan/Adlai Stevenson I 1901-1905
33. Theodore Roosevelt/Charles W. Fairbanks 1905-1909
34. William Howard Taft/James M. Sherman* 1909-1912, Vacant 1912-1913
35. Woodrow Wilson/Thomas R. Marshall 1913-1917
36. Charles E. Hughes/Charles W. Fairbanks* 1917-1918, Vacant 1918-1921
37. Warren G. Harding*/Calvin Coolidge 1921-1923
38. Calvin Coolidge/Vacant 1923-1925
39. John W. Davis/Charles W. Bryan 1925-1929
40. Herbert Hoover/Charles Curtis 1929-1933
41. Franklin Delano Roosevelt/John Nance Garner 1933-1937
42. Alf Landon/Frank Knox 1937-1941
43. James Farley/Henry A. Wallace 1941-1945
44. Thomas E. Dewey/John W. Bricker 1945-1949
45. Harry S. Truman/Alben W. Barkley 1949-1953
46. Dwight D. Eisenhower/Richard Nixon 1953-1957
47. Adlai Stevenson II/Estes Kefauver 1957-1961
48. John F. Kennedy**/Lyndon B. Johnson 1961-1963
49. Lyndon B. Johnson/Vacant 1963-1965
50. Barry Goldwater/William E. Miller 1965-1969
51. Richard Nixon/Spiro Agnew 1969-1973
52. George McGovern/Sargent Shriver 1973-1977
53. Jimmy Carter/Walter Mondale 1977-1981
54. Ronald Reagan/George H. W. Bush 1981-1985
55. Walter Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro 1985-1989
56. George H. W. Bush/Dan Quayle 1989-1993
57. Bill Clinton/Al Gore 1993-1997
58. Bob Dole/Jack Kemp 1997-2001
59. George W. Bush/Dick Cheney 2001-2005
60. John Kerry/John Edwards 2005-2009
61. Barack Obama/Joe Biden 2009-2013
62. Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan 2013-2017
63. Donald Trump/Mike Pence 2017-present
 
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My New List of Confederate Presidents
1. Jefferson Davis 1861-1867
2. Robert E. Lee 1867-1870*
3. Alexander H. H. Stuart 1870-1873
4. Benjamin Gratz Brown 1873-1879
5. Edmund Pettus 1879-1885
6. John G. Carlisle 1885-1891
7. Henry Watterson 1891-1897
8. Richard P. Bland 1897-1899*
9. Walter Clark 1899-1903
10. Francis Cockrell 1903-1909
11. Clark Howell 1909-1915
12. Woodrow Wilson 1915-1921
13. Pat Harrison 1921-1927
14. Guy D. Goff 1927-1933*
15. John Q. Tilson 1933 (8 weeks)
16. John Nance Garner 1933-1939
17. Cordell Hull 1939-1945
18. Harry F. Byrd 1945-1951
19. Estes Kefauver 1951-1957
20. Lyndon B. Johnson 1957-1963
21. Barry Goldwater 1963-1969
22. George Smathers 1969-1975
23. Jimmy Carter 1975-1981
24. Jesse Helms 1981-1987
25. Pat Robertson 1987-1993
26. Bill Clinton 1993-1999
27. Gary Bauer 1999-2005
28. Lamar Alexander 2005-2011
29. Newt Gingrich 2011-2017
30. Jim Webb 2017-present

Parties:
Democrat (Current)
Unionist (Former)
Liberal Republican (Former)
Conservative (Current)
 
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