List of Alternate Presidents and PMs II
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And a damned good thing that was too. There's a polity we don't get enough off post-1900 which kind of sucks considering how hard they roll pre-1900.
Best. French. Unlikeliness. Ever.
ETA: Especially since Salan has probably had Godard hooked up to electrodes in the SDECE's basement for most of the previous decade.
'Neath The Arms Of The Starfish
About as realistic Atompunk as you are going to get
1961-1963: John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1965-1969: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1969-1977: George Wallace (Democratic)
1977-1981: Pete McCloskey (Republican)
1981-1986: Cliff Finch (Democratic)
1986-1989: Jerry Brown (Democratic)
1989-1997: Alexander Haig (Republican)
1997-2001: Colin Powell (Independent / National Union)
2001-2005: John McCain (National Union)
2005-2013: Wesley Clark (Democratic)
2013-2017: Newt Gingrich (Republican)
2017-2021: Jim Webb (Democratic)
About as realistic Atompunk as you are going to get
1961-1963: John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1965-1969: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1969-1977: George Wallace (Democratic)
1977-1981: Pete McCloskey (Republican)
1981-1986: Cliff Finch (Democratic)
1986-1989: Jerry Brown (Democratic)
1989-1997: Alexander Haig (Republican)
1997-2001: Colin Powell (Independent / National Union)
2001-2005: John McCain (National Union)
2005-2013: Wesley Clark (Democratic)
2013-2017: Newt Gingrich (Republican)
2017-2021: Jim Webb (Democratic)
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1991-1997: Nursultan Nazarbayev (CPSU/Independent) [1]
1991: unopposed
1995: def. Serikbolsyn Abdildin (Communist)
1997-1999: Nurlan Bagimbayev (People's Union of Kazakhstan/Fatherland; acting) [2]
1999-2003: Kassym-Jomart Tokayev (Fatherland) [3]
1999: def. Serikbolsyn Abdildin (Communist), Gani Kasymov (Independent)
2003-2011: Daniyal Akhmetov (Fatherland) [4]
2003: def. Altynbek Sarsynbayev (Ak Zhol), Zhambyl Akhmetbekov (Communist), Gani Kasymov (Party of Patriots)
2007: def. Gani Kasymov (Party of Patriots), Azat Peruashev (Ak Zhol), Zhambyl Akhmetbekov (Communist)
2011-2015: Oraz Zhandosov (Ak Zhol) [5]
2011: def. Serik Akhmetov (Fatherland), Ainur Kurmanov (Communist), Gani Kaliyev (Party of Patriots)
2015-present: Azamat Musagaliyev (Zhas Kazakhstandyk) [6]
2015: def. Imangali Tasmagambetov (Fatherland), Zharmakhan Tuyakbay (Social Democratic), Tolymbek Gabdilashymov (Party of Patriots), Tulegen Zhukeyev (Ak Zhol), Ainur Kurmanov (Communist)
[1]: The father of the nation, who died suddenly;
[2]: The former Prime Minister, who tried to strengthen the economy through political turmoil;
[3]: The man who tried to keep the peace in the world, but was seen as too weak at home;
[4]: The "Terminator", who governed Kazakhstan with an iron hand;
[5]: The economist, who wanted to liberalize Kazakhstan quickly and experimented with the economy;
[6]: The outsider, who rose with the youth and attempted to fix the errors of the previous administration
1991-1997: Nursultan Nazarbayev (CPSU/Independent) [1]
1991: unopposed
1995: def. Serikbolsyn Abdildin (Communist)
1997-1999: Nurlan Bagimbayev (People's Union of Kazakhstan/Fatherland; acting) [2]
1999-2003: Kassym-Jomart Tokayev (Fatherland) [3]
1999: def. Serikbolsyn Abdildin (Communist), Gani Kasymov (Independent)
2003-2011: Daniyal Akhmetov (Fatherland) [4]
2003: def. Altynbek Sarsynbayev (Ak Zhol), Zhambyl Akhmetbekov (Communist), Gani Kasymov (Party of Patriots)
2007: def. Gani Kasymov (Party of Patriots), Azat Peruashev (Ak Zhol), Zhambyl Akhmetbekov (Communist)
2011-2015: Oraz Zhandosov (Ak Zhol) [5]
2011: def. Serik Akhmetov (Fatherland), Ainur Kurmanov (Communist), Gani Kaliyev (Party of Patriots)
2015-present: Azamat Musagaliyev (Zhas Kazakhstandyk) [6]
2015: def. Imangali Tasmagambetov (Fatherland), Zharmakhan Tuyakbay (Social Democratic), Tolymbek Gabdilashymov (Party of Patriots), Tulegen Zhukeyev (Ak Zhol), Ainur Kurmanov (Communist)
[1]: The father of the nation, who died suddenly;
[2]: The former Prime Minister, who tried to strengthen the economy through political turmoil;
[3]: The man who tried to keep the peace in the world, but was seen as too weak at home;
[4]: The "Terminator", who governed Kazakhstan with an iron hand;
[5]: The economist, who wanted to liberalize Kazakhstan quickly and experimented with the economy;
[6]: The outsider, who rose with the youth and attempted to fix the errors of the previous administration
Thanks to Yes for helpng me expand the list (now with footnotes)
5. Yigal Allon (Alignment): 26 February 1969-17 March 1976*
6. Chaim Herzog (Alignment): 17 March 1976-30 June 1981*
7. Ezer Weizmann (Likud): 30 June 1981-24 June 1989*
8. Moshe Arens (Likud): 24 June 1989-29 May 1992*
9. Moshe Shahal (Alignment): 29 May 1992-*
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1: Golda Meir, having been diagnosed with lymphoma, resigned from the post of Foreign Minister in 1965. Originally intending to return to Party politics, her health continued to fail, and she remained in retirement. Meanwhile, upon the death of Prime Minister Levi Eshkol in February 1969, former general, Deputy Prime Minister and Immigrant Absorption Minister Yigal Allon assumed the office, and was officially elected Alignment leader in March. He would sign a peace treaty with Jordan in 1971.
2: Allon, having completed seven years in office and won Alignment party two elections, decided to step down as Leader on the 28th of February. Foreign Minister Chaim Herzog won the Leadership contest on 17 March, and on that day Allon stepped down as Prime Minister.
3: Stepping down as Likud Leader in June of 1980, citing his declining health, Begin left the Opposition unsure of who to follow. The Party eventually lined behind Ezer Weizmann, who in 1981 would win the right-wing their first election in Israeli history. Herzog would agree to a Coalition, serving as Weizmann's Defense Minister.
4: Satisfied with his term in office, Weizmann decided to step down in 1989, with Health Minister Moshe Arens succeeding him. A brief war with Syria ensued in 1990, during which time his leadership came under fire from both Alignment and his own Party.
5: Having served as Herzog's Communications Minister and as one of Weizmann's Agriculture Ministers, he won the Party leadership over Gad Yaacobi, and led Alignment to victory. He would run on a platform advocating peace with Egypt based on the one Allon made with Jordan.
5. Yigal Allon (Alignment): 26 February 1969-17 March 1976*
6. Chaim Herzog (Alignment): 17 March 1976-30 June 1981*
7. Ezer Weizmann (Likud): 30 June 1981-24 June 1989*
8. Moshe Arens (Likud): 24 June 1989-29 May 1992*
9. Moshe Shahal (Alignment): 29 May 1992-*
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1: Golda Meir, having been diagnosed with lymphoma, resigned from the post of Foreign Minister in 1965. Originally intending to return to Party politics, her health continued to fail, and she remained in retirement. Meanwhile, upon the death of Prime Minister Levi Eshkol in February 1969, former general, Deputy Prime Minister and Immigrant Absorption Minister Yigal Allon assumed the office, and was officially elected Alignment leader in March. He would sign a peace treaty with Jordan in 1971.
2: Allon, having completed seven years in office and won Alignment party two elections, decided to step down as Leader on the 28th of February. Foreign Minister Chaim Herzog won the Leadership contest on 17 March, and on that day Allon stepped down as Prime Minister.
3: Stepping down as Likud Leader in June of 1980, citing his declining health, Begin left the Opposition unsure of who to follow. The Party eventually lined behind Ezer Weizmann, who in 1981 would win the right-wing their first election in Israeli history. Herzog would agree to a Coalition, serving as Weizmann's Defense Minister.
4: Satisfied with his term in office, Weizmann decided to step down in 1989, with Health Minister Moshe Arens succeeding him. A brief war with Syria ensued in 1990, during which time his leadership came under fire from both Alignment and his own Party.
5: Having served as Herzog's Communications Minister and as one of Weizmann's Agriculture Ministers, he won the Party leadership over Gad Yaacobi, and led Alignment to victory. He would run on a platform advocating peace with Egypt based on the one Allon made with Jordan.
'Neath The Arms Of The Starfish
About as realistic Atompunk as you are going to get
1961-1963: John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1965-1969: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1969-1977: George Wallace (Democratic)
1977-1981: Pete McCloskey (Republican)
1981-1986: Cliff Finch (Democratic)
1986-1989: Jerry Brown (Democratic)
1989-1997: Alexander Haig (Republican)
1997-2001: Colin Powell (Independent / National Union)
2001-2005: John McCain (National Union)
2005-2013: Wesley Clark (Democratic)
2013-2017: Newt Gingrich (Republican)
2017-2021: Jim Webb (Democratic)
Basically, after a more successful Bay of Pigs which nevertheless proved abortive, tensions around the Cuban Missile Crisis were worse. No nuclear war, but any prospect of JFK offering detente to the USSR is going nowhere. In this grim atmosphere, an OTL plan which was smothered but for being fucking batshit is put into actions. The Starfish nuclear detonations in space produced artificial belts of radiation which wreaked havoc upon satellites. Everyone's satellites but it killed the idea of the ICBM. A worse Vietnam, coupled with the grim global tensions and the US government policy of detonating a nuke in orbit every nine months or so leads to Goldwater's narrow election in 1964. He proves about as successful as you'd expect and the Democratic party remains under the control of populist (if somewhat post-racialist) Southerners.
In the present day, it seems that to be a successful politician, one must either have military experience or be well wedded to the 'system'. The National Unionists are a third party which has waned since the days of ideological polarisation when the country had to choose between Bradley, Buchanan or Powell. Satellite technology rebounded in the 1980s, but the satellites are massive, equipped with thick anti-radiation shielding and the computers within are enormous clicking devices run by valves rather than transistors because the old ways seem more effective up there. The Space Race itself was abortive, and no man yet has landed on the Moon, the artificial belts believed to be too lethal for any human to cross. Machines have gone there though. The Cold War rages on.
About as realistic Atompunk as you are going to get
1961-1963: John F. Kennedy (Democratic)
1963-1965: Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic)
1965-1969: Barry Goldwater (Republican)
1969-1977: George Wallace (Democratic)
1977-1981: Pete McCloskey (Republican)
1981-1986: Cliff Finch (Democratic)
1986-1989: Jerry Brown (Democratic)
1989-1997: Alexander Haig (Republican)
1997-2001: Colin Powell (Independent / National Union)
2001-2005: John McCain (National Union)
2005-2013: Wesley Clark (Democratic)
2013-2017: Newt Gingrich (Republican)
2017-2021: Jim Webb (Democratic)
Basically, after a more successful Bay of Pigs which nevertheless proved abortive, tensions around the Cuban Missile Crisis were worse. No nuclear war, but any prospect of JFK offering detente to the USSR is going nowhere. In this grim atmosphere, an OTL plan which was smothered but for being fucking batshit is put into actions. The Starfish nuclear detonations in space produced artificial belts of radiation which wreaked havoc upon satellites. Everyone's satellites but it killed the idea of the ICBM. A worse Vietnam, coupled with the grim global tensions and the US government policy of detonating a nuke in orbit every nine months or so leads to Goldwater's narrow election in 1964. He proves about as successful as you'd expect and the Democratic party remains under the control of populist (if somewhat post-racialist) Southerners.
In the present day, it seems that to be a successful politician, one must either have military experience or be well wedded to the 'system'. The National Unionists are a third party which has waned since the days of ideological polarisation when the country had to choose between Bradley, Buchanan or Powell. Satellite technology rebounded in the 1980s, but the satellites are massive, equipped with thick anti-radiation shielding and the computers within are enormous clicking devices run by valves rather than transistors because the old ways seem more effective up there. The Space Race itself was abortive, and no man yet has landed on the Moon, the artificial belts believed to be too lethal for any human to cross. Machines have gone there though. The Cold War rages on.
35. John F. Kennedy / Lyndon B. Johnson (Democratic): 1961-1963
Def. 1960: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
36. Lyndon B. Johnson / Vacant (Democratic): 1963-1965
37. Edmund "Pat" Brown / Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic): 1965-1973
Def. 1964: Barry Goldwater/ William E. Miller (Republican)
Def. 1968: George W. Romney / Jacob K. Javits (Republican)
38. Nelson Rockefeller / Mark Hatfield (Republican): 1973-1979
Def. 1972: Robert F. Kennedy / George McGovern (Democratic)
Def. 1976: Herbert H. Humphrey/ (Democratic)
39. Mark Hatfield / Vacant (Republican): 1979-1980
38. Mark Hatfield / Hugh Scott (Republican): 1980-1981
40. Edmund Muskie / Wilbur Mills (Democratic): 1981-1989
Def. 1980: Mark Hatfield / Hugh Scott (Republican)
Def. 1984: George H. W. Bush/ Bob Dole (Republican)
41. Dick Cheney / Donald Rumsfield (Republican): 1989-1993
Def. 1988: Ted Kennedy / Al Gore (Democratic)
42. Bill Clinton / Joe Biden (Democratic): 1993-1996
Def. 1992: Dick Cheney / Donald Rumsfield (Republican)
43. Joe Biden / Vacant (Democratic): 1996-1997
43. Joe Biden / Edmund "Jerry" Brown (Democratic): 1997-2005
Def. 1996: Bob Dole / Jack French (Republican)
Def. 2000: George W. Bush / Bob Smith (Republican)
44. Edmund "Jerry" Brown / John Kerry (Democratic): 2005-2009
Def. 2004: John McCain / Sarah Palin (Republican)
45. John Kasich / John "Jeb" Bush (Republican): 2009-2013
Def. 2008: Edmund "Jerry" Brown / John Kerry (Democratic)
46. Barack Obama / Jeff Merkley (Democratic): 2013-????
Def. 2012: Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan (Republican)
Def. 2016: Rick Santorum / Tom Cotton (Republican)
Def. 1960: Richard Nixon / Henry Cabot Lodge Jr. (Republican)
36. Lyndon B. Johnson / Vacant (Democratic): 1963-1965
37. Edmund "Pat" Brown / Robert F. Kennedy (Democratic): 1965-1973
Def. 1964: Barry Goldwater/ William E. Miller (Republican)
Def. 1968: George W. Romney / Jacob K. Javits (Republican)
38. Nelson Rockefeller / Mark Hatfield (Republican): 1973-1979
Def. 1972: Robert F. Kennedy / George McGovern (Democratic)
Def. 1976: Herbert H. Humphrey/ (Democratic)
39. Mark Hatfield / Vacant (Republican): 1979-1980
38. Mark Hatfield / Hugh Scott (Republican): 1980-1981
40. Edmund Muskie / Wilbur Mills (Democratic): 1981-1989
Def. 1980: Mark Hatfield / Hugh Scott (Republican)
Def. 1984: George H. W. Bush/ Bob Dole (Republican)
41. Dick Cheney / Donald Rumsfield (Republican): 1989-1993
Def. 1988: Ted Kennedy / Al Gore (Democratic)
42. Bill Clinton / Joe Biden (Democratic): 1993-1996
Def. 1992: Dick Cheney / Donald Rumsfield (Republican)
43. Joe Biden / Vacant (Democratic): 1996-1997
43. Joe Biden / Edmund "Jerry" Brown (Democratic): 1997-2005
Def. 1996: Bob Dole / Jack French (Republican)
Def. 2000: George W. Bush / Bob Smith (Republican)
44. Edmund "Jerry" Brown / John Kerry (Democratic): 2005-2009
Def. 2004: John McCain / Sarah Palin (Republican)
45. John Kasich / John "Jeb" Bush (Republican): 2009-2013
Def. 2008: Edmund "Jerry" Brown / John Kerry (Democratic)
46. Barack Obama / Jeff Merkley (Democratic): 2013-????
Def. 2012: Mitt Romney / Paul Ryan (Republican)
Def. 2016: Rick Santorum / Tom Cotton (Republican)
I'd say to use OTL people. There really wouldn't be any point of a list that's just made-up people, so I'd say it's one of the few cases where it's acceptable to just ignore the butterfly effect.
It's my first ever TLIAD but re-worked as a WiP PM list. And much better.
1970-1974: Edward Heath (Conservative)
1970: (Majority) def - Harold Wilson (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1974-1976: Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1974: (National Government with Heathites, Jenkinsites, UUP and Democratic Labour) def - Edward Heath (Conservative), Harold Wilson (Labour)
1976-1977: Roy Jenkins (National Unity National Government)
1977-1979: Dick Taverne (National Unity leading National Government)
1979-0000: Keith Joseph (National)
1979: (Majority) def - Michael Foot (Labour), Dick Taverne (National Unity), Robert Carr (Conservative), David Steel (Scottish Liberal), David Penhaligon (Country Liberal)
1983: (Majority) def - Tony Benn (Labour), William Whitelaw (Conservative/National Unity), David Penhaligon (Country), David Steel (Scottish Liberal)
1970-1974: Edward Heath (Conservative)
1970: (Majority) def - Harold Wilson (Labour), Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1974-1976: Jeremy Thorpe (Liberal)
1974: (National Government with Heathites, Jenkinsites, UUP and Democratic Labour) def - Edward Heath (Conservative), Harold Wilson (Labour)
1976-1977: Roy Jenkins (National Unity National Government)
1977-1979: Dick Taverne (National Unity leading National Government)
1979-0000: Keith Joseph (National)
1979: (Majority) def - Michael Foot (Labour), Dick Taverne (National Unity), Robert Carr (Conservative), David Steel (Scottish Liberal), David Penhaligon (Country Liberal)
1983: (Majority) def - Tony Benn (Labour), William Whitelaw (Conservative/National Unity), David Penhaligon (Country), David Steel (Scottish Liberal)
Oh
Did you read about Taverne and Thorpe campaigning for a National Unity Government in "Roy Jenkins" then?
I'll delete/change it if you want?
Oh I didn't know about Rees-Mogg that's interesting (and amusingly reunites the old rivals for the Presidency of the Oxford Union!).
And I don't mind particularly, but I feel bad now.
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