Unlikely as he has already accepted the match with Bona at this point
List of Alternate Monarchs and Aristocratic Lineage
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You needed to specify that point. If John is King, then he can marry Eleanor, but still the birth dates of the children need to be readjusted as Eleanor’s elder children can NOT be born in 1518… and the matches of the children still need to be changed (as Mary Tudor is the only one who can work, but at that point your POD is the survival of the New Year Prince and that change a lot of things around before Maria’s OTL death)…
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James VII of the United Kingdom of the British isles (b.1633) m Catherine of Braganza (b.1638) in 1662
issue
James, Prince of Wales (b.1662)*
Henry, Duke of York and Albany (b.1663)
miscarriage (1664)
Charles, Duke of Berwick and St Andrews (b.1666)
Catherine, Princess Royal (b.1669)
*wedding night baby
issue
James, Prince of Wales (b.1662)*
Henry, Duke of York and Albany (b.1663)
miscarriage (1664)
Charles, Duke of Berwick and St Andrews (b.1666)
Catherine, Princess Royal (b.1669)
*wedding night baby
Twins at her first pregnancy are unlikely and unless she married in January or February can not have a child in the same year.
Manuel will marry a Portuguese/Spanish heiress, Eleanor or Maria will marry the Dauphin Francis and the other I do not know…
POD: Louis XII and his first wife have many children
Louis XII. m. Joan of Valois
1. Louis b. 1478 m. Anne of Brittany b. 1477 d. 1514 [a] m. 1514 Mary Tudor
2. Miscarriage
3. Charles b. 1481
4. Marie b. 1483
5. Miscarriage
6. Charlotte b. 1486
7. Margaret b. 1488
8. Joan b. 1490
9. Elisabeth b. 1491
Louis XII. m. Joan of Valois
1. Louis b. 1478 m. Anne of Brittany b. 1477 d. 1514 [a] m. 1514 Mary Tudor
2. Miscarriage
3. Charles b. 1481
4. Marie b. 1483
5. Miscarriage
6. Charlotte b. 1486
7. Margaret b. 1488
8. Joan b. 1490
9. Elisabeth b. 1491
Wouidn't Jeanne of Navarre be the most logical wife for young Philip? Or you could give Francis III an heiress and have him marry her.
Jeanne also could work in theory but only if Francis was inclined in that way and she was less protestant and determinate…
I can not see her marrying him and neither him marrying a daughter of his eldest half-brother (who would NOT be Duchess of Brittany as the Estates of Brittany had already voted for following the French succession)
In 1532 meaning who Henry of Orléans would inherit the Duchy over a daughter of Francis… the union between France and Brittany became effective at the death of Francis I in 1547 but was already inevitable…
This daughter of Francis is going to take it lying down? She's not getting Scotland, she's not getting France, she isn't even getting Brittany, so what is she getting?
What has Scotland to do with all of this? We are NOT talking about OTL Francis II of France, but his father’s older brother, and in a timeframe in which Francis I would be still alive… A daughter of Francis III of Brittany would still be a royal princess of France, albeit NOT from the direct line and would be married a such by her uncle.
A daughter of Mary Stuart and Francis II instead would be heiress presumptive of Scotland so most likely will go there with her mother
POD Elizabeth Tudor survived infancy
Christian II b. 1481 m. 1505 Elizabeth Tudor b. 1492 d. 1513 [a] m. 1514 Isabella of Austria b. 1501
1a. Christian b. 1507
2a. miscarriage
3a. Elizabeth b. 1509 d. 1509
4a. Henry b. 1511
5a. miscarriage
6a. Edward b. 1513
7b. - same as IOTL -
No clue who the boys can marry or if Christian becomes Christian III
Christian II b. 1481 m. 1505 Elizabeth Tudor b. 1492 d. 1513 [a] m. 1514 Isabella of Austria b. 1501
1a. Christian b. 1507
2a. miscarriage
3a. Elizabeth b. 1509 d. 1509
4a. Henry b. 1511
5a. miscarriage
6a. Edward b. 1513
7b. - same as IOTL -
No clue who the boys can marry or if Christian becomes Christian III
Right, I am a dummy and didn't read properly
Well, then TTL's Francis II's daughter still is a royal princess, you're right
POD Catherine of Austria was fertile
Sigismund II Augustus m. Catherine of Austria
1. Elizabeth b. 1554
2. Catherine b. 1555
3. Sigismund b. 1556
4. miscarriage 1558
5. Casimir b. 1560
6. Bona b. 1561
7. Maria b. 1563
8. miscarriage 1564
9. Anne b. 1566
10. miscarriage 1567
11. Joanna b. 1570
12. Eleanor b. 1571
...no, I doubt they all live to adulthood, but who could these kids plausibly marry? Maybe Elizabeth to Henry III of France?
Sigismund II Augustus m. Catherine of Austria
1. Elizabeth b. 1554
2. Catherine b. 1555
3. Sigismund b. 1556
4. miscarriage 1558
5. Casimir b. 1560
6. Bona b. 1561
7. Maria b. 1563
8. miscarriage 1564
9. Anne b. 1566
10. miscarriage 1567
11. Joanna b. 1570
12. Eleanor b. 1571
...no, I doubt they all live to adulthood, but who could these kids plausibly marry? Maybe Elizabeth to Henry III of France?
Elizabeth + Albert Frederick of Prussia
Catherine + Henry III of France
Bona (Sigismund reconcilled with mother?) + Ferdinand, Archduke of Tirol
Sigismund + Sibylle of Cleves
Casimir + Margaret Gonzaga
Maria-better change her name (to Hedwig perhaps, common Jagiellon name). At the time in Poland it was name reserved for Virgin Mary. Marries Stephen Bathory?
Anna + Henry II of Lorraine
Joanna + John George Hohenzollern, Duke of Jägerndorf
Eleanor + Ulrik of Denmark
Eleanor of Aquitaine b. 1122 m. Louis VII(a) div. 1150(a) Henry II of England(b)
1a. Marie b. 1145
2a. Alix b. 1150
3b. William b. 1153
4b. Henry b. 1155
5b. Matilda b. 1156
6b. Richard b. 1157
7b. Geoffrey b. 1158
8b. Eleanor b. 1162
9b. Joanna b. 1164
10b. John b. 1166
William XI of Aquitaine b. 1126 m. Adelaide of France b. 1133(a)[1]
1a. Alice of Aquitaine b. 1154 m. Ferdinand II of Leon
2a. William b. 1160 m. Adelaide of Toulouse
1.IOTL, She is stillborn.
1a. Marie b. 1145
2a. Alix b. 1150
3b. William b. 1153
4b. Henry b. 1155
5b. Matilda b. 1156
6b. Richard b. 1157
7b. Geoffrey b. 1158
8b. Eleanor b. 1162
9b. Joanna b. 1164
10b. John b. 1166
William XI of Aquitaine b. 1126 m. Adelaide of France b. 1133(a)[1]
1a. Alice of Aquitaine b. 1154 m. Ferdinand II of Leon
2a. William b. 1160 m. Adelaide of Toulouse
1.IOTL, She is stillborn.
Margaret of Austria thrice married:
Margaret of Austria (1480-1540) m. a) John (1478-1497) Prince of Asturias, b) Philibert (1480-1513) Duke of Savoy, c) Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland
1b) Margaret (1504-1509)
2b) Philiberta (1507-1559) m. William IV (1493-1550) Duke of Bavaria
3b) Mary (1508-1560) m. Frederick II (1482-1556) Elector Palatine
4b) Philibert (1511-1512)
5c) Sigismund II (1518-1567) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1579)
6c) Sophia (1520-1592) m. Albert (1522-1567) Margrave of Kulmbach, Duke of Prussia [1]
[1] OTL Albrecht Alcibiades, son of Kasimir Hohenzollern.
ITTL Albrecht Hohenzollern, Master of Teutonic Order and first Duke of Prussia, dies in 1526 and is succeeded by his brother Kasimir of Kulmbach, who thus avoided death from dysentery in Hungary.
Margaret of Austria (1480-1540) m. a) John (1478-1497) Prince of Asturias, b) Philibert (1480-1513) Duke of Savoy, c) Sigismund I (1467-1548) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland
1b) Margaret (1504-1509)
2b) Philiberta (1507-1559) m. William IV (1493-1550) Duke of Bavaria
3b) Mary (1508-1560) m. Frederick II (1482-1556) Elector Palatine
4b) Philibert (1511-1512)
5c) Sigismund II (1518-1567) Grand Duke of Lithuania, King of Poland 1548, m. Elizabeth of Austria (1526-1579)
6c) Sophia (1520-1592) m. Albert (1522-1567) Margrave of Kulmbach, Duke of Prussia [1]
[1] OTL Albrecht Alcibiades, son of Kasimir Hohenzollern.
ITTL Albrecht Hohenzollern, Master of Teutonic Order and first Duke of Prussia, dies in 1526 and is succeeded by his brother Kasimir of Kulmbach, who thus avoided death from dysentery in Hungary.