Keynes' Cruisers Volume 2

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Story 2263
Modena, Italy October 7, 1943

The upper Po valley was held by the Germans. Two corps had been able to consolidate. Another corps had seized the passes between France and Italy. The southern Maginot line fortifications would have been a significant obstacle to light infantry if they had been manned. However the Germans had not been able to seize control from coast to coast. Genoa was the scene of constant street to street fighting. The Italian Navy dockyard was the backbone of the Italian position. nightly destroyer runs from La Spezia and Livorno brought in food and ammunition and pulled out the wounded. German artillery had claimed half a dozen warships that had been under repair, but the tight confines of the ancient city and plentiful heavy weaponry that had been stockpiled to enhance the fleet's anti-aircraft fit had stopped most German probes cold. The Austrian passes were clogged up by Alpini. Venice was impregnable, now that Allied destroyers could roam the Adriatic without concern for mines nor submarines.

None of that mattered to the few thousand American paratroopers. They were the vanguard of the dozen divisions that had landed in various parts of Mainland Italy in the past two weeks. The jump into Rome to secure the airport had gone well with only broken ankles and wrenched backs for casualties. But since then, the fight north against determined German rear guards that could readily buy half a day before surrendering or breaking contact had made the well trained but green Americans into veterans. E and F companies were demonstrating in front of the small city's southern entrance while G company tried to turn the German position to seize a bridge before it came down. If the quick attack could not work, they would wait for the artillery and tanks to arrive but each bridge north meant the war would come to an end faster.

Half a dozen machine guns started to chatter. 60mm mortars began to throw smoke shells. A few 57mm anti-tank guns began to fire in direct support, targeting a machine gun nest that was not quite as well hidden as it should have been. The paratroopers rose from the ground and began their advance. Within the first dozen steps, a German machine gun started to fire in short bursts. All was happening as the recently breveted company commander expected. The attack was gaining a little bit of purchase as American infantry men hit the deck, fired a few rounds in the general direction of the German defenders and began to advance again while their buddies covered them.
 

formion

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So the Germans support their forces by France? Good luck to them! At that point i think there was only one franco-italian transalpine railway, the Turin-Modane line. They cannot support a front for long with this single line that wasnt even fully doubletracked until the 1980s.
 
So the Germans support their forces by France? Good luck to them! At that point i think there was only one franco-italian transalpine railway, the Turin-Modane line. They cannot support a front for long with this single line that wasnt even fully doubletracked until the 1980s.
Depends on the objectives that the Germans have and the timeline needed to achieve that objective.
 
Modena, Italy October 7, 1943

If I am reading this right then the Allies should be knocking on the Po Valley for the winter rather than the gothic line which is always good. I am also assuming that there are full allied regiments already in or on their way to Rome, Genoa, Venice, and Verona to form a front along the Po River Basin.

I also assume that the Italian navy is now also cooperating in getting supplies from Rome to Genoa and Venice?

I do wonder that with Venice in allied hands if the allies could flank around the river and conduct a pincer from Genoa and Venice to get to Milan and Turin? Because I don't really see them needing to move beyond that. (I am not sure of the terrain on the Venetian side though)

Furthermore, will we be seeing allied troops moving from Venice towards Trieste and Yugoslavia to cut off German and Bulgarian troops from the rear using allied soldiers in Greece and I believe Thrace as the anvil, or is logistics just not able to cope with that or are there agreements with the soviets over spheres of influence, etc. ?

My final thought was on a completely unrelated note of how is Anna Marie getting along? if I were Anna Marie hearing about Italy's fall I would be thinking about the best way to make sure I don't get trapped in a Germany that is getting ever lower on food, with people thus more likely to steal her farm food and ever more desperate.
 
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I think the last thing we heard about Anne Marie was that she had gone home and was working on the famiy farm.

I’m not sure if the WAllies will go into Yugoslavia, but with them as close as they are now, the partisan activity is going to explode! That only will play even more havoc will German supply into both Italy AND the Balkans. This may have spillover affects on the Eastern Front as well and it may, may have a weakening affect on the German garrison in France.
 

formion

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If the Allied bombers drop a bridge or two in the single transalpine line then the 3 corps of Germans are prety much cut off and they would have to retreat over the Alps while fighting a dozen Allied divisions.
 
Story 2264
Clydebank, October 8, 1943

The large fleet carrier left her birth yard for the last time. She slowly made her way down the river with a full crew aboard. Her airwing would be completely British built. Seafires would be her fighters, Barracudas would be her torpedo bombers and Fireflies would serve a swing role as secondary fighters and fast strike aircraft. HMS Indefatigable would soon pick up a pair of destroyers to escort her first to Portsmouth, then to Norfolk and finally to Kingston Jamaica where she would join two cruisers and seven other destroyers for training and work-ups before heading to Singapore.
 
Story 2265
Chicago, October 9, 1943

Leonard was happy. He had just caught a foul ball that came over the 3rd base wall at Wrigley Field. A very relaxed brunette was resting her head on his shoulder. She was a younger sister of one of boot camp mates and she had an easy laugh that made him smile whenever he could coax it out of her. She had promised to write and he had promised to remember her fondly. He had two more days on his pass before he would need to head to Union Station and then to Boston where he would be joining the crew of the heavy cruiser USS St. Paul. His training as an electronic technician would be used in the radar and control room of the big heavy cruiser. But that was the future, he would enjoy the now as soon as he could attract the attention of the vendor to get a pair of ice cold cokes.
 
Chicago, October 9, 1943

Glad he is getting on in life well, Another little nice butterfly there since St Paul did not launch until 1944 and was not commissioned till 1945 OTL, Just further showing the USA'S industrial might and what might have happened had America started readying for war back in 1938 in OTL. ( I am assuming that the ship is launched unless Leonard is supposed to be part of the crew getting the ship ready for launch but I cannot imagine why a radar operator would be needed for that.)
 

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Glad he is getting on in life well, Another little nice butterfly there since St Paul did not launch until 1944 and was not commissioned till 1945 OTL, Just further showing the USA'S industrial might and what might have happened had America started readying for war back in 1938 in OTL. ( I am assuming that the ship is launched unless Leonard is supposed to be part of the crew getting the ship ready for launch but I cannot imagine why a radar operator would be needed for that.)
Installing the equipment/conducting system checks?
 
Installing the equipment/conducting system checks?

I was more thinking in terms of the physical labour of putting parts of the ship in and outfitting it, plus I thought that radar technicians were still being trained in low amounts in this period and thus they would be in higher demand for combat ships.

However, that is obviously a very good point and I feel a bit foolish for not thinking of that before, Although I would think that Leonard would be a junior radar operator and would not a senior radar operator do the instaling because they know what it should look like and what to expect as results from testing rather than a junior operator who may not?

I will add that I do not have a navy background and neither does my family so I cannot ask anyone who has experience with Ship radar, therefore, I am just making what I assume to be logical assumptions and am happy to be corrected if wrong as I honestly have no idea of the quality of the US radar technician training or its prevalence in advertising to the masses and turn out numbers during WW2.
 
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SsgtC

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I would think they would use both. The senior guy because he already knows how everything gets put together and works, and the junior guy because he needs to learn how everything gets put together and works. Then, as the Navy expands, he's got the training to become the senior guy on a new ship.
 
Fireflies would serve a swing role as secondary fighters and fast strike aircraft.
Also reconnaissance.
Chicago, October 9, 1943

Leonard was happy. He had just caught a foul ball that came over the 3rd base wall at Wrigley Field.
IOTL the 74-79 Cubs season ended on 3 October, with a rescheduled game lost 0-2 to the Braves. A later date suggests they've done better and reached the post season.
 
The Italian campaign in TTL is far more advanced. October 1943 and Allied forces are advancing into the Po River valley. The seaport of Venice is secure and and the port of Genoa will likely soon be. Counting the other supply lines coming up from the South supplying the Allied advance through the open country of the Po Valley should be possible. It doesn't look like the Germans will be able hold the industrial Northern cities of Italy much longer. I think the Allies will be in Milan before the end of November.
 
I would think they would use both. The senior guy because he already knows how everything gets put together and works, and the junior guy because he needs to learn how everything gets put together and works. Then, as the Navy expands, he's got the training to become the senior guy on a new ship.

I don't remember who Leonard is or was in real life. Can you remind me please?
 

formion

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and the port of Genoa will likely soon be.

Imagine the germans holding a coastal position near Genova. The 2 Dunkerque class battlecruisers rush from Corsica, bury the Germans in half hour in a hailstorm of 330mm shells, along with the shells of their escorting cruisers and destroyers and they rush back to either Corsica or livorno.
 

Driftless

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Wishful thinking: have a superb digital cartographer like ngf over on "Blunted Sickle". His/ her maps really help convey changing situations. That skill is rare
 
I don't remember who Leonard is or was in real life. Can you remind me please?

To sum up Leonard, He is one of the masses, just a young man from Ulrichsville, Ohio who requires glasses, has a strong memory and is good with numbers who was caught up in the draft and sent to fight for the navy at the age of 19/20 like many other young men his age, he apparently succeeded in becoming a radar technician and is now being sent to serve on the USS St Paul where he might one day see action.
 
Glad he is getting on in life well, Another little nice butterfly there since St Paul did not launch until 1944 and was not commissioned till 1945 OTL, Just further showing the USA'S industrial might and what might have happened had America started readying for war back in 1938 in OTL. ( I am assuming that the ship is launched unless Leonard is supposed to be part of the crew getting the ship ready for launch but I cannot imagine why a radar operator would be needed for that.)
This timeline St. Paul is OTL Quincy. Different pattern of losses lead to different ships being renamed.
 
Also reconnaissance.

IOTL the 74-79 Cubs season ended on 3 October, with a rescheduled game lost 0-2 to the Braves. A later date suggests they've done better and reached the post season.

Which back then meant they made the World Series. Not gonna lie, I did not see "the Cubs possibly winning a World Series after 1908" being a butterfly of this timeline but I'm here for it.
 
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