Kaiserreich: Legacy of the Weltkrieg

[Viola]

In Kaiserreich the Qing don't hold any territory. It's the Zhili who do, and they engrace the Germans by keeping the theatrics of a constitutional monarchy around.

I can see the Qing survive semi-realistically in Kaiserreich though. Powerless honorary monarchs tend to have a surprising ability to survive political upheavals thanks to them not really being part of regular politics. Historically this is how the Japanese imperial family ruled from the 200s AD to the modern day uninterrupted and how the Solomonic dynasty ruled over Ethiopia until the Communist revolution. If the Zhili survive the Weltkrieg, eventually curb the power of the warlords down and restore a semblance of normal civilian rule the Qing monarchy could just survive through inertia, and the Chinese people would grow less antagonistic toward it if the Zhili-ruled government does its job relatively well.

 

[Flamefang]

Just a follow up, this is what @TheWildWestPyro told me about how poor was the Qing Qituation:

"Actual Chinese I talked to about KR displayed tremendous irritation at the Qing still being around by the 1930s.
What they feel is that the popular support of the Qing was so low by 1911, that people preferred going to the US to work and die to escape them, is that there should be no reason they should still be holding that much territory even if Germany props them up."

And

"The Qing were so corrupt and stagnant by the 1900s that middle-class people left just because the environment had become unbearable to live in, not because the Manchus were burning down houses or something.(editado)
Militarily the leadership did not handle things well.
In the Sino-French War, the Chinese were this close to beating the French Army in Indochina and crushing a European army.
Only for Cixi to back down and negotiate a withdrawal of the French, even though China could've actually won for once and used its superior position to make things better for the country.(editado)
The Han troops who had fought so hard and for so long were not pleased."

I'm guessing those comments are coming from the small group of Han chauvinists who come out of the woodwork every time the Qing get mentioned. I speak to the Chinese translation team pretty regularly, and from their comments, and what I can see on the Zhihu and Bilibili community threads, the Chinese KR community is quite supportive of the way we've portrayed the Qing - even if it's not the most plausible outcome.

Qing mismanagement in the late 1800s isn't really relevant to their situation post-1927, what's important is the contrast between the pre- and post-restoration years. Between 1911 and 1927, China experiences more war and political tumult than at any point since the Taiping Rebellion, and the country is just as if not more subject to foreign domination. While the Qing restoration is never popular, and I'm not about to claim that it's plausible, it isn't fair to compare attitudes thirty or more years prior toward a mostly different government.

 

[Gukpard]

I'm guessing those comments are coming from the small group of Han chauvinists who come out of the woodwork every time the Qing get mentioned. I speak to the Chinese translation team pretty regularly, and from their comments, and what I can see on the Zhihu and Bilibili community threads, the Chinese KR community is quite supportive of the way we've portrayed the Qing - even if it's not the most plausible outcome.

Qing mismanagement in the late 1800s isn't really relevant to their situation post-1927, what's important is the contrast between the pre- and post-restoration years. Between 1911 and 1927, China experiences more war and political tumult than at any point since the Taiping Rebellion, and the country is just as if not more subject to foreign domination. While the Qing restoration is never popular, and I'm not about to claim that it's plausible, it isn't fair to compare attitudes thirty or more years prior toward a mostly different government.

Goodness.

 

[Worffan101]

I actually kind of like the way the Northern Zhili/"Qing government" is portrayed. But I love the China rework as a whole, especially the way the frozen conflict unfreezes because the whole LEP is a house of cards in response to one minor protest. It feels very realistic and all the paths are detailed and interesting.

 

[Gukpard]

I played again as the liberal ottoman empire and something got me dissapointed at the end

So, basically the kemalist route allows you to build a economy similar to latin america at the time, a strong national internal market with a export orientated trade policy, while the Liberal route of the sublime federation has you to open your economy and privatize everything, and after a while a event tells how poverty and wealth inequality is out of control, ouch

 

[Bountifulauto82]

I played again as the liberal ottoman empire and something got me dissapointed at the end

So, basically the kemalist route allows you to build a economy similar to latin america at the time, a strong national internal market with a export orientated trade policy, while the Liberal route of the sublime federation has you to open your economy and privatize everything, and after a while a event tells how poverty and wealth inequality is out of control, ouch

At least it's a step away from the problem current Kaiserreich has where every ideology works perfectly as it is supposed to.

 

[Gukpard]

At least it's a step away from the problem current Kaiserreich has where every ideology works perfectly as it is supposed to.

Yeah, but I'm getting Brazilian flashbacks, ouch.

 

[Worffan101]

At least it's a step away from the problem current Kaiserreich has where every ideology works perfectly as it is supposed to.

To be fair, Pelley's America is a shithole.

The America successors and Chinese states are some of the best content in the game IMO. Oh, and South Africa; though I think the racist path for that is too effective.

 

[floyd22]

I think I've just won what is my third Hearts of Iron IV war; I was playing as Shandong Clique vs. Anquin Clique vs. Left Kuomintang and Anquin capitulated after what felt like an eternity. Now engaging in war against the Left Kuomintang; personally I'd rather have left them alone, but I wasn't given that option. Also Yunnan clique are killing each other, and the Ma Clique are invading Tibet and the Mongols are invading the Ma Clique.

As an LGBT person I am a bit disappointed LGBT rights don't even seem to be mentioned in the national focus trees; I do not mean to start any sort of debate on here, I'd just be very intrigued to know where certain countries in KR lore would stand on something that matters a lot to me.

Does anyone have a problem wherein steam closes automatically if it is left on the Hearts of Iron IV thingy in the library after a certain ammount of time? I've had this issue for a while and it's really bugging me.

 

[Worffan101]

As an LGBT person I am a bit disappointed LGBT rights don't even seem to be mentioned in the national focus trees; I do not mean to start any sort of debate on here, I'd just be very intrigued to know where certain countries in KR lore would stand on something that matters a lot to me.

LGBT rights get let through by "oversight" in demsoc America, it pisses some people off but Comrade Flynn at least (haven't got that far with Thomas) basically says "we are not relitigating this, we still have an economy to unfuck".

Comrade Flynn is great, her response to women-only and men-only unions is "no, do not do this, everything must be coed".

 

[Viola]

As an LGBT person I am a bit disappointed LGBT rights don't even seem to be mentioned in the national focus trees; I do not mean to start any sort of debate on here, I'd just be very intrigued to know where certain countries in KR lore would stand on something that matters a lot to me.

With the Syndicalists being the most socially progressive of the bunch purely by virtue of (generally) supporting notions as controversial and advanced such as "women are equal to men", and everyone else is either struggling in the "maybe women should be allowed to vote" area or are opposed to voting in general, I don't think LGBT rights are something the Kaiserreich world in the '30s and '40s is quite ready for.

If the Syndies get far there might be earlier developments on that front by the '60s though, it's possible.

 

[theg*ddam*hoi2fan]

I think I've just won what is my third Hearts of Iron IV war; I was playing as Shandong Clique vs. Anquin Clique vs. Left Kuomintang and Anquin capitulated after what felt like an eternity. Now engaging in war against the Left Kuomintang; personally I'd rather have left them alone, but I wasn't given that option. Also Yunnan clique are killing each other, and the Ma Clique are invading Tibet and the Mongols are invading the Ma Clique.

As an LGBT person I am a bit disappointed LGBT rights don't even seem to be mentioned in the national focus trees; I do not mean to start any sort of debate on here, I'd just be very intrigued to know where certain countries in KR lore would stand on something that matters a lot to me.

Does anyone have a problem wherein steam closes automatically if it is left on the Hearts of Iron IV thingy in the library after a certain ammount of time? I've had this issue for a while and it's really bugging me.

LGBT rights get let through by "oversight" in demsoc America, it pisses some people off but Comrade Flynn at least (haven't got that far with Thomas) basically says "we are not relitigating this, we still have an economy to unfuck".

Comrade Flynn is great, her response to women-only and men-only unions is "no, do not do this, everything must be coed".

With the Syndicalists being the most socially progressive of the bunch purely by virtue of (generally) supporting notions as controversial and advanced such as "women are equal to men", and everyone else is either struggling in the "maybe women should be allowed to vote" area or are opposed to voting in general, I don't think LGBT rights are something the Kaiserreich world in the '30s and '40s is quite ready for.

If the Syndies get far there might be earlier developments on that front by the '60s though, it's possible.

IIRC, there's like an event where Comrade Flynn's America not only legalises homosexuality, but also makes it so that if people cohabit for five years then they gain the same tax etc. status as a married couple...and that includes homosexual couples. So in Comrade Flynn's America, it's not truly equal but gay people have a path to at least some of the rights conferred by marriage...in like 1942.

 

[Worffan101]

I mean, this is the same setting where you can have, in 1940, multiracial socialist paradise South Africa.

It's still a hot mess where you need to spend literal years doing little more than unfucking the townships that popped up around Jo'burg when you eliminated the internal passport system, but it exists and is possible and functions.

 

[Alex1guy]

As an LGBT person I am a bit disappointed LGBT rights don't even seem to be mentioned in the national focus trees; I do not mean to start any sort of debate on here, I'd just be very intrigued to know where certain countries in KR lore would stand on something that matters a lot to me.

Probably pretty average to be honest. I dont see the German Empire being very accommodating.

 

[Worffan101]

Probably pretty average to be honest. I dont see the German Empire being very accommodating.

Kaiser Bill is likely still mad about the Eulenberg Affair. Also there is some debate over whether he was a deeply closeted bi man; I doubt it, but it's at least plausible. Either way there is not going to be much government support for gay rights.

 

[Gukpard]

Kaiser Bill is likely still mad about the Eulenberg Affair. Also there is some debate over whether he was a deeply closeted bi man; I doubt it, but it's at least plausible. Either way there is not going to be much government support for gay rights.

The German empire banned homosexual behaviour, it was the paragraph 175.

Brazil was a interesting case, the empire was based on the French republic, thus we were the only Latin American nation to not criminalise it, as the first 1824 constitution came without any law on it.

Edited.

 

[SIngemeister]

Just lost two in game years of progress on a CPS/small factions only run due to bloody Legionnaire Italy not joining the Belgrade Pact. This after losing a similar amount of progress due to bloody Burma not joining the Sphere.
Focusing on:
Co-Prosperity Sphere (Japan, Hawaii, PSA, Joseon, Indochina, Insulindia, Princely Federation, Philippines, Transamur)
Belgrade Pact (Romania, Greece, Serbia, Poland, Italy, Bulgaria)
Lithuania-White Ruthenian Alliance
Istanbul Pact
Cairo Pact

Any other small factions I missed out? I might swap out Lit-WHR for the Intermarium, though I’m worried about having them next to Sov Russia (since I need that revolt for Transamur to grab some land - or more accurately, for me to console command that land since Transamur apparently doesn’t do it itself)

 

[floyd22]

Just lost two in game years of progress on a CPS/small factions only run due to bloody Legionnaire Italy not joining the Belgrade Pact. This after losing a similar amount of progress due to bloody Burma not joining the Sphere.
Focusing on:
Co-Prosperity Sphere (Japan, Hawaii, PSA, Joseon, Indochina, Insulindia, Princely Federation, Philippines, Transamur)
Belgrade Pact (Romania, Greece, Serbia, Poland, Italy, Bulgaria)
Lithuania-White Ruthenian Alliance
Istanbul Pact
Cairo Pact

Any other small factions I missed out? I might swap out Lit-WHR for the Intermarium, though I’m worried about having them next to Sov Russia (since I need that revolt for Transamur to grab some land - or more accurately, for me to console command that land since Transamur apparently doesn’t do it itself)

I had a problem on Transamur which was when I loaded the saved game file I found I was literally back to where I started as though I hadn't researched any technologies or national focuses.

Also Burma needs a national focus tree, as do [in my opinion] some of the states formed after the collapse of MittleAfrika, such as the Ashanti Empire and Congo.

 

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[Vince]

I played again as the liberal ottoman empire and something got me dissapointed at the end

So, basically the kemalist route allows you to build a economy similar to latin america at the time, a strong national internal market with a export orientated trade policy, while the Liberal route of the sublime federation has you to open your economy and privatize everything, and after a while a event tells how poverty and wealth inequality is out of control, ouch

Yeah that was annoying because I was industrializing like mad and that 25% consumer goods hit really stung. I just went the liberal route over the fact I could keep both Egypt and most of Arabia as the Sublime. It also felt like the revolts in the Arab war were much smaller in that route because I didn't piss as many regions off.