"Io Mihailŭ, Împĕratul Românilor" - A Michael the Brave Romania Wank

Zagan

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I find it a bit strange that Sarmatia did not try harder to take Constantinople... as.. it is given to them eventually...

It is complicated...

1. Sarmatia has no means to attacks Constantinople. Only Romania has direct access to it.
The Sarmatian army being invited to pass through 1500 km of Romanian territory is out of the question (17th century armies: looting etc).

2. Sarmatia is not so sure anymore about Constantinople (exclave). It had been something of a pipe dream anyway.
They seem more content to set an Armenian State in Anatolia under their Protectorate (like Georgia), thus having contiguous lands. Plus, it opens the way towards the Persian Gulf, an ambition of Sigismund. Maps are ready and even uploaded somewhere around here (after the chapter about the Peace Treaties which will be online tonight, the maps will be linked here as well).

3. The Greeks want Constantinople very badly (as an exclave obviously). They may get it in the future. Romania might want that area as well (just not the population).
If instead of a city there was to be a forest or something, Romania would have been elated. No more Greeks and Turks inside our borders!
 
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It is complicated...

1. Sarmatia has no means to attacks Constantinople. Only Romania has direct access to it.
The Sarmatian army being invited to pass through 1500 km of Romanian territory is out of the question (17th century armies: looting etc).

2. Sarmatia is not so sure anymore about Constantinople (exclave). It had been something of a pipe dream anyway.
They seem more content to set an Armenian State in Anatolia under their Protectorate (like Georgia), thus having contiguous lands. Plus, it opens the way towards the Persian Gulf, an ambition of Sigismund. Maps are ready and even uploaded somewhere around here (after the chapter about the Peace Treaties which will be online tonight, the maps will be linked here as well).

3. The Greeks want Constantinople very badly (as an exclave obviously). They may get it in the future. Romania might want that area as well (just not the population).
If instead of a city there was to be a forest or something, Romania would have been elated. No more Greeks and Turks inside our borders!
I have a feeling that with most of the population gone,with the city being extremely important,as well as the fact that Romanian's extremely annoyed with the Greeks right now,they might just do that.

Honestly,the Greeks dragged everyone into the war by constantly supporting insurgents and pretty much conducting a undeclared war with the Turks.

There's basically zero chances of the Greeks taking Constantinople on their own.
 
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Zagan

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I have a feeling that with most of the population gone,with the city being extremely important,as well as the fact that Romanian's extremely annoyed with the Greeks right now,they might just do that.

Turn it into a forest? :eek:

The Peace Treaties and the maps in... half an hour.

Honestly,the Greeks dragged everyone into the war by constantly supporting insurgents and pretty much conducting a undeclared war with the Turks.

More than 100,000 Romanians are dead because of that.
 
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Turn it into a forest? :eek:

The Peace Treaties and the maps in... half an hour.



More than 100,000 Romanians are dead because of that.

Isn't Constantinople more or less a forest already?

Considering what they've done,I don't think the Romanians would hand over any territory to the Greeks that the Greeks themselves have not captured.
 

Zagan

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Isn't Constantinople more or less a forest already?

Considering what they've done,I don't think the Romanians would hand over any territory to the Greeks that the Greeks themselves have not captured.

Romania handed over to Greece those territories singled out in the Platamona Treaty (Romanian Province of Thessaly = the Northern half of OTL Greek Region of Thessaly and Romanian Coastal Macedonia = to link the old Greek territory with Salonika and the Chalcidic Peninsula, plus the Southernmost Epirus = the Port of Preveza and the adjacent area). All these territories had a Greek majority.

You are right that Romania might not want to cede any more hard fought for lands to the Greeks.
Besides, the point is moot, since Constantinople remains Ottoman (at least for the time being).
 
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I.46. The End of the Ottoman Empire

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The fall of the Ottoman Empire was even more rapid than its meteoric rise.


The End of the Ottoman Empire



23 November 1630, Adrianople, Romania

Adrianople Peace Treaty

I. The State of War between the Ottoman Empire on one side and the Imperium of Romania and the Commonwealth of Sarmatia on the other side has ended.

II. The Ottoman Empire, having acknowledged that killing innocent civilians is a henious crime, apologizes to the Greek Nation and State for commiting it and solemnly pledges not to perpetrate such an inhuman and barbaric act ever again.

III. The Ottoman Empire apologizes to the Romanian Nation and State for the atrocities perpetrated during the Ottoman invasion of Romania.

IV. The Ottoman Empire apologizes to the Armenian Nation for the atrocities perpetrated against their people.

V. The Ottoman Empire cedes to Georgia the Port of Batum and the surrounding region, as detailed in the annexed map.

VI. The Ottoman Empire cedes to Greece:
- All the Islands in the Aegean Sea with the exception of those Islands assigned to Romania in Article VII of this Treaty;
- The Island of Cyprus;
- The Chalcidic Peninsula including the City of Salonika, as detailed in the annexed map.


VII. The Ottoman Empire cedes to Romania:
- All Ottoman Thrace with the exception of Constantinople, the Gallipoli Peninsula and a sliver of land on the Coast of the Sea of Marmara, as detailed in the annexed map;
- The Islands of Thasos and Samothrace, the smaller Islands in their immediate vicinity and those in the immediate vicinity of the Thracian Littoral;
- The Holy Land, Lebanon and Cyrenaica, as detailed in the annexed map.


VIII. The Sultans of the Ottoman Empire forever renounce the titles of Caliph and Emperor of the Romans (Kaisar-i-Rum).

IX. The Ottoman Empire recognizes the independence of the Kingdom of Egypt in its current borders according to the principle of uti possidetis.

X. The Ottoman Empire recognizes the independence of the Arabian State recently proclaimed in Mecca.

XI. Regarding the territories in Africa and the Arabian Peninsula previously owned or under the influence of the Ottoman Empire, the Ottoman Empire declares that the future fate of those territories and their people does not concern the Ottoman Empire any more.

XII. The Ottoman Empire recognizes the right of the Armenian Nation to have a State of their own.
The Ottoman Empire, Sarmatia, Romania, Persia and the representatives of the Armenian Nation will work together in order to set up an Armenian State in those territories of Eastern Anatolia which are inhabited mainly by Armenians.
The borders of the future Armenian State shall be determined by careful studies of relevant demographic, historical, geographic and economic data.
Population exchanges shall be performed in order to create a stable and homogenous Armenian State.
The final settlement regarding the Armenian State shall be reached in three to five years.


XIII. The Ottoman Empire will do its utmost to end the state of war with Greece and to arrive at a mutually acceptable solution for the complex problem of the vast Greek population in Asia Minor.
Creation of Greek Autonomous Areas in Asia Minor, population exchanges with Greece, tranfer of further territories to Greece or any other humane means of ending the conflict and assuring a lasting peace between the Ottoman Empire and Greece shall be attempted.
Romania and Sarmatia will apply diplomatic pressure in order to make Greece accept a reasonable negotiated settlement with the Ottoman Empire.


XIV. All Christians in the Ottoman Empire, regardless of denomination, are under the protection of Romania and Sarmatia.

XV. All the subjects of the Ottoman Empire have equal rights and obligations regardless of their faith.

XVI. Slavery in the Ottoman Empire is abolished.

XVII. The Army of the Ottoman Empire is limited to 200,000 men. The Navy of the Ottoman Empire is limited to 10 warships which are to remain confined in the Sea of Marmara and the Straits.

XVIII. The remainder of Ottoman Thrace with the exception of the City of Constantinople and its immediate hinterland as well as the Islands of the Sea of Marmara and the Cyzicus Peninsula are part of the Marmara Demilitarized Area.
The Ottoman Empire is not allowed to maintain any armed forces in that Area with the exception of those forces deemed necessary for the preservation of law and order, which shall not be in excess of one thousand lightly armed policemen.
Romania will periodically send representatives to assure that this provision is abided to.


XIX. Transit through the Straits and the Sea of Marmara is free for all ships at all time. The Ottoman Empire is not allowed to restrict the naval trafic, to stop ships, to check cargo and passagers or to demand any fees whatsoever.

XX. All prisoners of war taken by the Ottoman Empire and Sarmatia will be realeased immediately.
The prisoners of war taken by Romania will help rebuild what they destroyed by performing a collective total of ten billion men hours of public work for the Romanian State and Nation.
During their time spent in Romania, the prisoners of war will be provided with adequate food, shelter, clothing and medical help and will be treated humanely.
The Ottoman Empire is allowed to send representatives to assure that this provision is abided to.


XXI. Taking into account that the Ottoman Empire has gone completely bankrupt and in order to prevent its descent into civil war and anarchy, Romania and Sarmatia waive their right to an indemnity.

XXII. Since the Ottoman Empire is no longer a Great Power, from now on it will be called the Ottoman Sultanate or any variation thereof. The title of Sultan is equivalent to that of King and not to that of Emperor.

Signed by:
Imperator Mihai of the Romanians for Romania, ....................
Emperor Sigismund for the Commonwealth of Sarmatia, ....................
Valide Sultan Ayșe, representing her underaged son Sultan Suleiman, for the Ottoman Empire, ....................


The signatories take note with grave concern of the refusal of Greece to sign this Treaty.

A.D. 1630, the 23rd of November


12 December 1630, Alexandria, Egypt

Egyptian King: "Let me see if I have understood it right... You are offering to give us the whole Province of Cyrenaica in exchange for our Province of Sinai?"
Romanian Ambassador: "That is correct, Sire. The Province of Sinai plus that 20 miles wide sliver of land adjacent to its Western border."
K: "I have a feeling that something here is not what it seems to be. Cyrenaica is at least twice as valuable as the Sinai. It does not make any sense."
A: "The Sinai Province is adjacent to the other Romanian colonies, the Holy Land and Lebanon. We want to consolidate our lands. And, besides, we are only in possession of Cyrenaica de jure. The Ottomans ceded it to us, but the locals are in control de facto. We will need to actually conquer it by force of arms in order to exercise any authority there. The Sinai Province on the other hand is firmly in your possession and we can expect it to be orderly transferred to us."
K: "I see. And then it is we who we will have to send an army into Cyrenaica to pacify it. But it still does not seem to add up... I'll tell you what. I will sign this. It is too good an opportunity to miss. But I will insert a clause that this Treaty becomes null and void if there is any ulterior motive. I think that this is fair."
A: "Ahem, Sire, there is actually an ulterior motive..."
K: "I knew it! How did you think that you can fool me? Come on, say it. Everything is negotiable."
A: "Your Majesty is very wise. However strange this may seem to you, we intend to dig a canal linking the Mediterranian with the Red Sea."
K: "And do you think that you will make money with it?"
A: "We think so, Sire. We shall ask for a fee and all ships which do not want to go around Africa in order to reach the Indies will have to pay."
K: "Egypt should receive half of the earnings."
A: "For a canal we build on our own land, with our expertise? 10% seems more appropriate."
K: "30% would be better. And all our ships should be allowed to pass free of charge."
A: "15% and we will employ Egyptian workers to dig it."
K: "25% then."
A: "We can really offer no more than 20%."
K: "We have a deal."

Treaty of Alexandria

I. Romania and the Kingdom of Egypt exchange the Romanian Colony of Cyrenaica with the Egyptian Province of Sinai.

II. The Western border of the Province of Sinai (the border between Romania and Egypt) is moved Westwards 20 miles in order to allow Romania to dig a canal there, thus linking the Mediterranian and the Red Seas.

III. Romania has no obligation to dig the canal and, in case it starts to dig it, no deadline for its completion.

IV. All Egyptian ships will be allowed to pass through the canal free of charge.

V. If Romania decides to dig the canal, at least half of the employed workers will be Egyptian subjects.

VI. Egypt will receive 20% of all revenue of the canal, after the deduction of all incurred costs.

VII. Romania and Egypt are and will continue to be good friends and neighbours.

VIII. The Christians from Egypt will be encouraged to move to the Romanian Colonies and the Muslims from the Romanian colonies will be encouraged to move to Egypt.

King of Egypt, ....................
Ambassador Plenipotentiary of Romania, ....................


A.D. 1630, 14 December.


December 1630 - August 1631, Asia Minor

All attempts of the Greek Army to make any progress in Asia Minor failed.
The City of Smyrna changed hands between the Greeks and the Turks no less than three times.
The uprising of the Pontic Greeks started to lose momentum.

Greece was short of money, ammunition, soldiers, resolve and even hope.
The Greeks have lost 44,000 soldiers in war and more than 130,000 civilians in the Ottoman massacres (the Great Greek Ethnocide of 1629-1630).

The Ottoman offer was just too good to be refused. A peace treaty was finally signed.


27 August 1631, Smyrna, Ottoman State

Smyrna Peace Treaty

1. The state of war between the Greek State and the Ottoman State has ceased.

2. All the provisions of the Adrianople Peace Treaty remain in force.

3. A Greek Autonomous Area is created in Asia Minor as shown on the annexed map.

4. The Ottoman State will perform a thorough exchange of population between the Greek Autonomous Area and the rest of the Ottoman State.

5. The Greek Autonomous Area will be incorporated into Greece on the 1st of January 1635.

6. The Greek State has no further claims on any other Ottoman territory, including Constantinople.

7. All prisoners of war will be exchanged.

8. No indemnities or reparations will be paid by either side.

Greek Plenipotentiary, ....................
Ottoman Plenipotentiary, ....................


A.D. 1631, 27 August.

In the end, Mikrasia will prove more valuable to the Greeks that the oddly placed would be exclave of Constantinople. More valuable for everything except their National pride.


2 November 1631, Great Powers Council

The Great Powers Council received an unexpected official letter from the Shah of Persia.

Several important ideas from this unprecedented document have to be higlighted:
- Persia wants peace with the Christian Powers.
- Persia does not want to conquer any Christian Lands.
- The only Christian Land under Persian control is Eastern Armenia and Persia is willing to set it free and allow it to unite with Western Armenia.
- Persia is not a Muslim Country. In Persia there are Muslims, Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians. All of them are free to practice their Religion and legislation is considered to make them equal in front of the law.
- A subject of the Ottoman Empire is first a Muslim and then a Turk or an Arab. A subject of Persia is first a Persian and then a Muslim or a Christian.
- Persia is a Nation State like the European States.
- The Persians are neither Turks nor Arabs. They are Europeans and the Persian language is a European language as any linguist can easily prove.
- Persia still cherishes the European legacy brought by Alexander the Great.
- Persia desires to expand in Central Asia.

The letter was answered warmly.
Armenia became a free and united country in 1634 and Persia became an ally of the European Powers and an observer to the Great Powers Council.
 
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Map #30. The Ottoman Empire in 1630-1631

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The Ottoman Empire in 1630-1631


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Legend:
1. Italian Confederation (Kingdom of Naples)
2. Italian Confederation (Republic of Venice, Province of Southern Dalmatia)
3. Italian Confederation (Republic of Venice, Province of Valona)
4. Italian Confederation (Republic of Venice, Province of Corfu, under Romanian administration)
5. Romanian territory ceded to Greece in 1629-1630 according to the provisions of the Treaty of Platamona (Preveza Region of Southernmost Epirus, Thessaly and Coastal Macedonia)
6. Aegean Islands and Cyprus, ceded to Greece by the Ottoman Empire
7. The Chalcidic Peninsula and the City of Salonika, ceded to Greece by the Ottoman Empire
8. Marmara Demilitarized Area (Ottoman State)
9. Batumi Region, ceded to Georgia by the Ottoman Empire
 
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Map #31. The Ottoman State and Its Neighbours in 1635

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The Ottoman State and Its Neighbours in 1635


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Legend:
1. Italy
2. Marmara Demilitarized Area

Notes:
1. The Ottoman State is a Federation of three States: Turkey, the Levant (Greater Syria) and Mesopotamia.
2. Lebanon, the Holy Land and Sinai are Romanian Colonies. They are not integral parts of Romania and Romanian Law does not fully apply there.
 
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Zagan

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ALL OF THIS in 30 years?! Wow, Zagan, bold but good.

Thank you.

The Romanian expansion will surely slow down, get to a halt or even be reversed in some places.
Then of course, there will be a decolonisation some time in the future.

Mihai is 73. He will eventually die. His adolescent granddaughter will probably not rampage Romania's neighbours!

This kind of rapid expansion of a State did in fact happen in OTL several times.
What examples from OTL would you think of?
 
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Thank you.

The Romanian expansion will surely slow down, get to a halt or even be reversed in some places.
Then of course, there will be a decolonisation some time in the future.

Mihai is 73. He will eventually die. His adolescent granddaughter will probably not rampage Romania's neighbours!

This kind of rapid expansion of a State did in fact happen in OTL several times.
What examples from OTL would you think of?

The Ottomans themselves,the Romans,plenty of cases in China,Alexander the Great,Alexander's father Philip etc etc...
 

Zagan

Donor
Questions

1. Is it believable that the Ottomans would rather cede Lebanon and the Holy Land than Constantinople? (Cyrenaica was gone anyway)

2. Should the Greeks be content with their gains? (TTL Greece is about 50% larger than OTL Greece, despite lacking most of Epirus, Macedonia and Thrace; Mikrasia and Cyprus are very large) Or should they consider it a failure because they could not get Constantinople?

3. Is it believable that the Persians got so scared seeing the fate of their neighbour that they decided to cooperate with Europe and even let their part of Armenia go free?

4. Is it feasable for Romania to dig the Suez Canal in the 17th century? If done would it be commercially viable? (lower ship traffic than in the 19th century)

5. What should the other Powers do seeing the technological advances of the Romanian military?

Thank you.
 
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1. Is it believable that the Ottomans would rather cede Lebanon and the Holy Land than Constantinople? (Cyrenaica was gone anyway)

2. Should the Greeks be content with their gains? (TTL Greece is about 50% larger than OTL Greece, despite lacking most of Epirus, Macedonia and Thrace; Mikrasia and Cyprus are very large) Or should they consider it a failure because they could not get Constantinople?

3. Is it believable that the Persians got so scared seeing the fate of their neighbour that they decided to cooperate with Europe and even let their part of Armenia go free?

4. Is it feasable for Romania to dig the Suez Canal in the 17th century? If done would it be commercially viable? (lower ship traffic than in the 19th century)

5. What should the other Powers do seeing the technological advances of the Romanian military?

Thank you.
Politically,it would be unacceptable considering the sacrifices,but AI think the leadership would take a sensible course and cede Constantinople instead considering the place is completely desolated.

I don't think the Persians would be scared of Europe.Too far away.

Greece is never content until the ERE is restored(as in all of modern Greece,Constantinople and Anatolia).

What tech does the Romanians have but the other powers don't?
 

Zagan

Donor
1. Politically,it would be unacceptable considering the sacrifices,but AI think the leadership would take a sensible course and cede Constantinople instead considering the place is completely desolated.

2. Greece is never content until the ERE is restored(as in all of modern Greece,Constantinople and Anatolia).

3. I don't think the Persians would be scared of Europe.Too far away.

4. ...

5. What tech does the Romanians have but the other powers don't?

1. Lebanon was an Autonomous Maronite Christian State anyway, but the Holy Land is indeed very problematic.

2. Sure.

3. They are direct neighbours of the Sarmatian Protectorate of Georgia, from which Sarmatia had just invaded Ottoman Armenia.

4. ...

5. Mainly Chemistry: better explosives, better incendiary stuff, better steel, etc, leading to better cannons, rifles, etc. Plus advances in the physics of artillery, ballistics, etc, leading to better strike precision.
 
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1. Lebanon was an Autonomous Maronite Christian State anyway, but the Holy Land is indeed very problematic.

2. Sure.

3. They are direct neighbours of the Sarmatian Protectorate of Georgia, from which Sarmatia had just invaded Ottoman Armenia.

4. ...

5. Mainly Chemistry: better explosives, better incendiary stuff, better steel, etc, leading to better cannons, rifles, etc. Plus advances in the physics of artillery, ballistics, etc, leading to better strike precision.
Still too far.I wouldn't be surprised if getting to Georgia is stretching the limits of Sarmatian logistics already.

If land must be ceded,Constantinople is a better option than Palestine.
 

Zagan

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1. Still too far.I wouldn't be surprised if getting to Georgia is stretching the limits of Sarmatian logistics already.

2. If land must be ceded,Constantinople is a better option than Palestine.

1. In the war with the Ottomans, only around 100,000 Sarmatian soldiers attacked in Ottoman Armenia (Western Armenia), crossing the border from Georgia.
Probably around half of those soldiers were already been stationed in Georgia on a permanent basis in order to defend it from any possible Ottoman invasion.

100,000 soldiers would be surely not enough for a successful endeavour against Persia.
To transport 500,000 soldiers or more would be probably logistically unfeasable.

Question: How about transport by ship? Possibly straight to the Persian Gulf?
How large were the Colonial Armies sent by the European Powers around the Globe in the 17th century?

Anyway, you are probably right.

The Persians decided to play it safe and befriend the European Powers as a precautionary action.
Even if Persia is safe now, some planning in advance does not hurt.

About Persian Armenia (Eastern Armenia):
- It had little value for Persia;
- It would have been a constant sore spot, because of the porous border with soon to be independent Western Armenia;
- It had only been conquered by Persia from the Ottoman Empire in 1624 (only 7 years previously) so it was not percieved as "Sacred Persian Land".


2. I too think that it would have been wiser to cede Constantinople instead of the Holy Land.

However, it was not done because of powerful sentimenal reasons.

The Turks may start to regret their decision very soon. When the cost of rebuilding the City starts piling up.
 
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1. In the war with the Ottomans, only around 100,000 Sarmatian soldiers attacked in Ottoman Armenia (Western Armenia), crossing the border from Georgia.
Probably around half of those soldiers were already been stationed in Georgia on a permanent basis in order to defend it from any possible Ottoman invasion.

100,000 soldiers would be surely not enough for a successful endeavour against Persia.
To transport 500,000 soldiers or more would be probably logistically unfeasable.

Question: How about transport by ship? Possibly straight to the Persian Gulf?
How large were the Colonial Armies sent by the European Powers around the Globe in the 17th century?
Less than three thousand most likely if by transport ship.The amount that gets to the destination is probably less due to problems like scurvy.As for logistics in the Caucasus,I'd say fairly difficult because of the mountains and difficult terrain.Do note that trying to support armies over fifty thousand is extremely difficult at this point in time.

I also think you are exaggerating the strength of the Europeans.Remember,this is th
17th century,not the 19th.This is an era where even if the entirety of Europe ganged up and tried to invade China,they would not succeed.
Anyway, you are probably right.

The Persians decided to play it safe and befriend the European Powers as a precautionary action.
Even if Persia is safe now, some planning in advance does not hurt.

About Persian Armenia (Eastern Armenia):
- It had little value for Persia;
- It would have been a constant sore spot, because of the porous border with soon to be independent Western Armenia;
- It had only been conquered by Persia from the Ottoman Empire in 1624 (only 7 years previously) so it was not percieved as "Sacred Persian Land".


2. I too think that it would have been wiser to cede Constantinople instead of the Holy Land.

However, it was not done because of powerful sentimenal reasons.

The Turks may start to regret their decision very soon. When the cost of rebuilding the City starts piling up.
I've been thinking,ceding the Holy land might be more problematic than ceding Constantinople politically,since the Islamic clergy will probably chose to keep the Holy Land rather than Jerusalem given Jerusalem is also a holy site in Islam.

If I'm whoever in charge of the Ottoman Empire after the mess,I would cede Constantinople,build a large navy,fortify the Caucasus and try to rebuild from there on.Would try to attack Egypt once again when the Great Power conference starts showing wears and tears.
 
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Zagan

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1. Less than three thousand most likely if by transport ship.The amount that gets to the destination is probably less due to problems like scurvy.

2. As for logistics in the Caucasus,I'd say fairly difficult because of the mountains and difficult terrain.

3. Do note that trying to support armies over fifty thousand is extremely difficult at this point in time.

4. I also think you are exaggerating the strength of the Europeans. Remember,this is the 17th century,not the 19th.This is an era where even if the entirety of Europe ganged up and tried to invade China,they would not succeed.

5. I've been thinking,ceding the Holy land might be more problematic than ceding Constantinople politically,since the Islamic clergy will probably chose to keep the Holy Land rather than Jerusalem given Jerusalem is also a holy site in Islam.

6. If I'm whoever in charge of the Ottoman Empire after the mess,I would cede Constantinople,build a large navy,fortify the Caucasus and try to rebuild from there on.Would try to attack Egypt once again when the Great Power conference starts showing wears and tears.

1. So few! How on Earth did the British manage to conquer Bengal?!
Anyway scurvy is not an issue on a relatively short voyage.

2. True. However, the Georgians and Armenians themselves are used to it. They may be of help.

3. This has been already more or less handwaived. :) I have offered some explanations near the beginning of the TL with better organization and lots of auxiliaries, using ships to transport food where possible (rivers, seas), etc.
To keep TTL going we have to admit that somehow:
- an army of up to one million is feasable on or near home territory and
- an army of up to 100,000 is feasable as an expeditionary force.

4. This is a shameless Eurowank. Europe is 18th century level strong in the 17th. (not 19th though)
Invading China is of course preposterous. Completely conquering Persia is as well impossible. Inflicting some damage on Persia is feasable.

Note: The Europeans will not attack Persia in TTL (at least not in the foreseeable future of TTL).

5. I will address this issue. I have some plans for it.

6. I would too. However the rump Ottoman State will do something else in TTL.
And yes, Egypt is very important. Without it you are hardly a Great Power. I believe that Egypt had almost half of the population of TTL 1629 OE.
 
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1. So few! How on Earth did the British manage to conquer Bengal?!
Anyway scurvy is not an issue on a relatively short voyage.

2. True. However, the Georgians and Armenians themselves are used to it. They may be of help.

3. This has been already more or less handwaived. :) I have offered some explanations near the beginning of the TL with better organization and lots of auxiliaries, using ships to transport food where possible (rivers, seas), etc.
To keep TTL going we have to admit that somehow:
- an army of up to one million is feasable on or near home territory and
- an army of up to 100,000 is feasable as an expeditionary force.

4. This is a shameless Eurowank. Europe is 18th century level strong in the 17th. (not 19th though)
Invading China is of course preposterous. Completely conquering Persia is as well impossible. Inflicting some damage on Persia is feasable.

Note: The Europeans will not attack Persia in TTL (at least not in the foreseeable future of TTL).

5. I will address this issue. I have some plans for it.

6. I would too. However the rump Ottoman State will do something else in TTL.
And yes, Egypt is very important. Without it you are hardly a Great Power. I believe that Egypt had almost half of the population of TTL 1629 OE.

The British conquered Begal with a small army comprised with a lot of native troops drilled in European doctrine.Further more,they did it more than a century after the present time.By that time,they already found ways of combating against scurvy,lik adding citrus fruit juice to the drinking water of sailors.
 
Map #32. Romanian Theatre of the 1629-1630 Romanian-Ottoman War

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Donor

Romanian Theatre of the 1629-1630 Romanian-Ottoman War


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Note: The main movements of the Ottoman, Romanian and Greek forces in Romania are shown with arrows of their respective map colors.

Legend:
1.
Italian (Venetian) Islands of Corfu and Paxi, under Romanian occupation and administration
2. Marmara Demilitarized Zone (part of the Ottoman State)
3. Romanian Islands of Tasos and Samothrace
4. Snake Island
5. Area (spit) bought from Sarmatia in order to build a lighthouse.
6. Venetian territories
7. Greek Aegean Islands
 
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