It also covers the Premier League football in great quantity if not quality.
HMS EAGLE in the Falklands
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It also covers the Premier League football in great quantity if not quality.
Mark1878
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Yep I know it does sports and tuts and why it gets read (and us not a very right wing paper).
My comment was after a couple of posters saying it was hated in certain regions so what regions was it popular in?
Or is it just cool to say it is hated (I know why it is hated in Liverpool and there are figures to show that)
Areas which are predominately ethnic minorities or muslim I'll assume tend to hate it, as you only need to google the images of their headlines about muslims so Bradford and parts of Manchester and Birmingham. Minorities they tend to be racists as seen with their editor comparing a black everton player to an ape. Maybe cosmopolitan areas such as london due high numbers of eu people and these areas tend have a better view of the EU while the SUN is very anti EU.
On British newspapers:
As much as I think that the Scum is a vile rag, it's undeniably popular. I believe it recently lost it's tag of "newspaper with the widest circulation" to the equally abhorrent Mail, but it probably has more readers on one day than the Grauniad has in a week. Equally, I believe that was because the Sun fell faster than the Mail, as all print journalism is on the downward curve at present. Individual people may despise the Scum, even groups, but the only place that loathes it is Liverpool. I've seen it on sale, and seen people buying it, in Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford and London. In 95% of newsagents in the country (99% outside Merseyside), the Sun is available. It's also popular in Scotland (although the editorial position viz. referendum and the SNP are rather different - it's a weathervane, not a wind machine).
Sadly, it's also one of only two British newspapers that still employs a proper in-house investigative journalism team. The other? The Mail.
To reiterate, I think it was vile then, and still is vile today. But people claiming nobody reads it where they are (Liverpool excepted) is a bit, "nobody I know voted for Nixon/Brexit/Trump."
As much as I think that the Scum is a vile rag, it's undeniably popular. I believe it recently lost it's tag of "newspaper with the widest circulation" to the equally abhorrent Mail, but it probably has more readers on one day than the Grauniad has in a week. Equally, I believe that was because the Sun fell faster than the Mail, as all print journalism is on the downward curve at present. Individual people may despise the Scum, even groups, but the only place that loathes it is Liverpool. I've seen it on sale, and seen people buying it, in Manchester, Birmingham, Bradford and London. In 95% of newsagents in the country (99% outside Merseyside), the Sun is available. It's also popular in Scotland (although the editorial position viz. referendum and the SNP are rather different - it's a weathervane, not a wind machine).
Sadly, it's also one of only two British newspapers that still employs a proper in-house investigative journalism team. The other? The Mail.
To reiterate, I think it was vile then, and still is vile today. But people claiming nobody reads it where they are (Liverpool excepted) is a bit, "nobody I know voted for Nixon/Brexit/Trump."
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Mark1878
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Yes I think this is the best summary and matches what I have seen. (I would guess that internet porn has helped the fall as no need to buy the Sun for page 3)
The sun should be at this point added to the tags now as we've talked so much about it.
Even though it was commercially a great success, The Daily Mail has always been derided by many influential people and not just on the left. Its founding propriator Alfred Harmsworth (Lord Northcliffe, known as the Napoleon of Fleet Street) derided it as "by office boys - for office boys" even as its circulation rose well past the one million mark. His brother Lord Rothermere, the next owner, wouldn't have a copy in his own house. Incidently, the company The Daily Mail and General Trust Ltd is still owned by the present Lord Rothermere and the Harmsworth family.
The anvil is gone. In OTL, they then withdrew the hammer.
However, in OTL, they had more belief that they could win without crippling the RN Task Force. TTL, that task force has a bona fide carrier. Especially with the buccs making a bloody mess of Stanley airfield, they cannot allow the Eagle to control the airspace. Conversely, the RN have more to defend, and to defend themselves with. If you'll pardon the pun, the Argentinian command are caught between the devil and the deep blue sea.
The Argentines are in an even worse spot now than they were at the same time OTL. They now can only pose a one dimensional threat to the RN.
Their sub force, never robust to begin with, has been smashed up.
The Belgrano surface force is now converting to coral reefs.
They can't really use the Stanley airfield.
And yet: if they give up now, they have to know that would force the junta from power.
My guess is that they make one more push from the air at Eagle and hope they get lucky with a couple Exocets - or in the alternative, that the British don't have the lift to make a serious landing.
Dont the argentines have a aircraft carrier in play? Cant they just scrap what remains of the fleet together and send them.
SsgtC
Banned
They do have a carrier at sea. With a handful of A-4 Skyhawks on board. And IIRC the Argentine A-4s were not armed with missiles, but bombs.
But could they do what japan did during ww2 (battle of layte gulf) use the carrier to attract the brits so they send most of their planes after it and then send all the planes from the mainland and attack the fleet when it is 'vulnerable'.
SsgtC
Banned
They could try. But the RN will still have air cover. At least a CAP of F-4s and probably all the Harriers too.
Another problem of the carrier is the weather. Afaik, it's catapults were not up to the tasks of launching a fully loaded A-4, so it relied a lot on finding strong winds to assist on take off. Apparently that's a common occurance in the area but, OTL, the winds died down; the CV spent I don't know how many days steaming around literally looking for strong winds, but it couldn't even get enough to launch the A-4s with a reduced load...
Given the combat radius of the Buccaneer and FG.1, plus the availability of tanking, it's possible to hunt de Mayo whilst positioning the fleet beyond the range of all land based fast jet assets, save for the Canberras.
Even if the fleet is within range, there are still Sea Harriers to contend with (plus whatever FG.1s are allocated to CAP) - and, unless we're already at the landing stage, there's no ground clutter to impede SHORAD (Sea Wolf) - much less HIMAD (Sea Dart).
@SsgtC @Hammerbolt @MancFrank all good points, again this entire strategy i brought was a desperation move, surely would be at this point desperate to atleast try it. @Hammerbolt the carrier doesn't need to deploy planes just get the brits to chase her and cause distraction to allow what ever argentine planes that can reach the chance to attack.