Der Kampf: The Rise and Fall of the Austrian Führer
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Looking forward to the next chapter. Also, tell me about your fantasy novel, I'm starting one myself and could use some pointers on writing the genre
Fair enough, there are good explanations- but that still doesn't mean it's not sixes being rolled because in every scenario a response was possible if not 'likely' (as in, looking at OTL events as ALT events and discussing if the Allies would have responded at any of those events), and Germany could have been completely done for as early as 1933 in fact (when Poland suggested a preventive war).
Hmm, let’s say it continues until 1932ish or so then starts the heavy industrialization but Sverdlov doesn’t go all out and they industrialize slower but with less deaths overall until the Great Purges which I envision as even worse than OTL. As for food security, I’m debating whether the Holodomor would happen here. There still will be collective farms, plus standard Communist mismanagement and hyper focus on industry at the cost of other sectors. But if the Holodomor does happen, that’ll explain why so many Ukrainians and other ethnic groups in the USSR see fascism and the Axis as a preferred substitute.
The true threat comment was from de Gaulle during the war. He meant that it started with the Austrian State. Austria creating wars in Europe is not something the French and British (later the Americans) are wanting to happen.
Thank you.
The fantasy novel is set in a world in the midst of their equivalent to the Middle Ages. The main story is about a boy who goes from a simple lifestyle to becoming King of his country and fighting invaders. His homeland is essentially the Greenland of this world, so there’s a lot of emphasis on its remoteness and lack of resources. The main character essentially becomes the Ragnar Lothbrok of these Inuit/Viking-like people.
There is magic in the world, and some fantastical animals and creatures, but no elves or dwarves or anything like that.
Any reason why Sverdlov is going to conduct those purges? With Stalin, it was a combination of losing grip of the communist party and several high ranking officials losing faith in him due to the famine/Holodomor culminating with the assassination of a popular soviet official which Stalin use as a pretext to remove rivals and purge those who threaten his control and power.
I will say the first one is because of Trotsky, the second one is paranoia and wanting to cement power and chance the Heptarchy to a true absolute dictator. Having the Holodomor still happen can help with many questioning Sverdlov and causing mistrust of Communism in Ukraine. I’m honestly envisioning the two purges combined are worse than OTL. I even considered Zhukov d being killed but I’m so-so on that.
Rokkosovsky surviving would be worthwhile, I think, if you want some drama. Suppose, if he is captured and joins his Polish countrymen, although there's other possible routes too to take him.
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Very possible. I’ll have to do more research in those who were purged and those who weren’t.
I do have a question for you all. For the ranks of the Sturmwache (Storm Guard, the SA/Waffen-SS of TTL) I need help with the ranks. I was going to just straight up copy the SS ranks but I do want to at least try a new system. I won’t be using the SA ranks as the SA exists here as part of the Free German Workers’ League (FDAS). Anyone have suggestions?
Honestly, I don't think devising a new rank system is all that important in the grand scheme of things. I'd personally just take SS ranks, tweak some of the names a little, and exclude some of the higher ranks to reflect the smaller scale of the Sturmwache (supposing, for example, that SW formations seldom exceed the size of a regiment [or something else]), and then more or less leave it. Whether or not the Sturmwache is an entirely separate organization from the Volkswehr is also worth considering, since it would have implications for whether a general in the SW would have a rank in the SW to reflect that, or if the VW rank alone indicates their higher appointment to higher command, with perhaps a corresponding special SW designation.
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If Hitler IOTL was fine with führer being part of various leader titles, I don't see why this Hitler would care, especially since he's more thoughtful this time around.
Tanner did say though that Sozinat Austria will have a strong Catholic element; perhaps religious tones could be involved in some specific ranks and unit insignias.
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Nephi
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How this actually supposed to work?
Austria isn't Germany, Germany might have been down but it certainly wasn't out.
He's not getting a reverse Anschluss, he could probably get Hungary to unify if it wasn't all, but you must be German, even if technically they are the people, culturally and linguistically they aren't. Which in Europe even still matters somehow.
(Finland is Nordic but not Scandinavian but all Scandinavians are Nordic, or is it Denmark that's Nordic but not Scandinavian. Denmark it's not on that peninsula. I know it's one of them.)
But German Austrians, they would scattered then in little pockets.
Now however he could expand that platform to Hungarians easily as they're in the same boat.
We demand renunciation with our Hungarian counterparts and the return of all Hungarian communities then the same racist dribble.
But I'm pretty sure Czechoslovakia without Chamberlain putting pressure on them could have defeated Germany, it definitely can a reunified AustraliaHungary, plus Italy isn't having it.
Oh, you think so well how about we just take the rest of Tyrol, and make the rest of you into a "protectorate" (colony).
Austria isn't Germany, Germany might have been down but it certainly wasn't out.
He's not getting a reverse Anschluss, he could probably get Hungary to unify if it wasn't all, but you must be German, even if technically they are the people, culturally and linguistically they aren't. Which in Europe even still matters somehow.
(Finland is Nordic but not Scandinavian but all Scandinavians are Nordic, or is it Denmark that's Nordic but not Scandinavian. Denmark it's not on that peninsula. I know it's one of them.)
But German Austrians, they would scattered then in little pockets.
Now however he could expand that platform to Hungarians easily as they're in the same boat.
We demand renunciation with our Hungarian counterparts and the return of all Hungarian communities then the same racist dribble.
But I'm pretty sure Czechoslovakia without Chamberlain putting pressure on them could have defeated Germany, it definitely can a reunified AustraliaHungary, plus Italy isn't having it.
Oh, you think so well how about we just take the rest of Tyrol, and make the rest of you into a "protectorate" (colony).
I’ve stuck with SS ranks, the highest being Gruppenführer right now. I do like that. Once the Sozinats are in power they’ll milk the Austrian Catholic Church for all its worth to appeal to that voter/support base.
Happy New Year everyone! Hope everyone has a great one. My year started off with potential black mold in my house, so that’s always fun. In other news I have finished the first two parts of the next chapter, and have two more to go. It’s set in Autumn/Winter of 1928.
Me too!
Hitler is not getting a Reverse Anschluss to annex all of Germany. Sozinat Austria is not Nazi Germany. The Sozinats won’t be ruling from the English Channel to the gates of Moscow, nor the fjords of Norway to the deserts of North Africa.
Austria will be fighting above its weight and do surprisingly well in the first couple of years but that is mainly due to:
1) Allied negligence/focusing on a resurgent Germany
2) Japan having more stability in mainland China so it can devote more resources to future conquests/Anglo-Japanese War
3) geography of TTL’s Axis Powers (will make more sense when we get there)
4) Austria can’t bully its allies like Germany did, so it has to create a more United front in the Axis, better coordination, shared logistics network etc.
5) Stoßanstürmen, the equivalent to blitzkrieg pioneered by the Austrians. It’s their term for blitzkrieg but blitzkrieg as a term will be popularized by the Germans.
6) the Sozinats have a broader definition of what constitutes ‘Aryan’ so they won’t be butchering half of Europe while conquering. Mainly Jews, Serbs, Gypsies, Jehovah Witnesses, homosexuals and communists
Now even though the Sozinats aren’t conquering and annexing countries left and right, they will expand territorially but not by much. Hungary, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia are avenues of Austrian expansionism, but that expansion does not always have to be through war.
Chamberlain will be remembered in a far more positive light here than OTL. The British aren’t exactly the driving force of Appeasement here, that’s France who is essentially giving Germany the middle finger in helping prop up Austria as a counterweight.
All of this is seriously exciting. Can't wait to see this Austria in action. Hopefully they have at least one impressive victory, like Germany's against France, before everything goes to hell for them
The Germans IOTL disliked the word blitzkrieg. Do you mean that the Germany will wage rapid maneuver campaigns and that will popularize the term amongst outsiders?
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