Hey, everyone, as I currently write the next chapter, I want to wish you all a Happy Thanksgiving, both to my American and Canadian viewers (and to whomever else celebrates it or an equivalent holiday).

To help fill in the time until the next chapter, I have
brainstormed some ideas that I would like community feedback and insight on, mainly related to 20th/21st Century media and literature entertainment but also for the Der Kampf story as a whole. Some will be repeat info, others will be shared with y’all for the first time. I’m going to be going on some concept rants, so just bear with me. Apologies if it appears mindless, I wrote this down via my phone as it came to me.

Also Hitler will have a cherry blossom tree in some private Sozinat garden. Probably wherever his equivalent to the Berghof will be. Any location ideas for a Berghof equivalent?

Now I stated from from the beginning that World War Two in Der Kampf (Second Great War is used frequently as well, though that might seem a bit more Turtledove-esque but I like the name a lot) will be a smidge smaller in body count due to various factors, namely that Sozinat Austria does not conquer as much nor is able to carry out a Holocaust ti the same degree as Nazi Germany. This does not mean WW2 isn’t horrifying here and nor does that mean that the Holocaust doesn’t happen. It does, just smaller in scale with slightly different persecuted groups (mainly no Slavs are killed for racial reasons due to them being Aryans here, with the sole exception being Serbians). The Sozinats are Monsters just like the Nazis, they just have less reach and opportunity.

So DK’s WW2 might be smaller in body count, but it makes up for that with some different warzones. Parts of the world that were affected by OTL WW2 will be spared here (ex: Norway/Denmark) but other parts will suffer/suffer more than its OTL counterpart (ex: Finland).

Now many of these will make sense due to different geo-political and ideological aims of a Social Nationalist Austria rather than a National Socialist Germany. Austria here, while annexing and expanding influence into lands of the former Austro-Hungarian Empire, is far more focused on being the leader of a economic-military alliance (the Axis) rather than conquer everything in the name of lebensraum. Hitler here is thinking “Why take and hold when it’s easier to manipulate and be given.”

Austria here will have far more allies (many of them puppets/client states) than Nazi Germany. That’s how they become a major threat, via leading an alliance than just it being them conquering everything.

Now to “help” out the DK Axis, I’m envisioning there being a spike in fascist movements in the world, particularly in South America. Due to the Soviet Heptarchy (spearheaded by Sverdlov) rather than a Soviet Triumvirate (spearheaded by Stalin) there is a bit more focus on propping up international communism which causes a reaction in a rise of far-right parties. Not quite to projected Trotsky-levels of world revolution but not quite Stalin’s Socilaism in One Country doctrine.

Having fascist nations in South America will have the U.S. eying that and focusing on their backyard more so than in Asia and Europe, at least in the late ‘30s. I was thinking about the Fascist Bloc in South America being Chile, Ecuador, and Argentina with significant Fascist movements in Bolivia, Colombia and El Salvador but these fail to secure power. I also would like a Communist Brazil as I mentioned a couple of months ago, but feedback was generally “don’t do it” but if fascism rises then wouldn’t Communism also take at least one Country in SA, especially with a different Soviet leadership.

Now these nations will not be direct allies of the Sozinats but rather trade partners and the like. I was contemplating that Fascism here becomes an umbrella term, with Italian Fascism, Social Nationalism, Falangism, and National Syndicalism all as subsets of the wider Fascist ideology.

Is it realistic for Chile, Ecuador and Argentina to go fascist by the early to mid 1930s? To help these countries turn to Fascism, the Austrians will expend a fair amount of money and gift leftover/dated military equipment to them, as well as mutually beneficial trade deals with potentially assassination and political pressure to encourage the rise of like-minded movements. This will all be done under the supervision of high ranking Sozinat Fridolin Glass. He is going to be the guy Hitler goes to for foreign intelligence and operations. He is historical but not much is known about him but he was ambitious, took initiative and was a dedicated Nazi (from what little I can gather) so here he’ll be a vital cog in the Sozinat machine.

I do have a general timeline laid out with major plot points either mapped out or planned for up until the end of the war, but I’ve had to do some reshuffling. I was originally going to have the European Theatre last from 1941 to 1945 with the war starting over the Axis invasion of <CLASSIFIED> but I’ve decided to change that to 1940-1944. The African Theatre will be shorter than OTL while the Pacific Theatre might last longer than OTL. I’m less certain on aspects of the Pacific for Der Kampf as this is a Eurocentric alt-history (as of now). I just have general story beats in my head for Asia, some of which I’m sure will cause the call for rewrites or modification of some sort.

I tried to make it subtle but I’m sure most of y’all figured out Lieselotte will be Hitler’s partner. Trying to write a romance plot involving Hitler of all people is a bit weird for me so I’m going to largely leave it vague and off-screen. Just enough to show people, especially book readers who haven’t read the original draft on AH.com, that they become involved.

I will also like to state that I have Hitler’s fate planned out. Was in my concept stage from the very beginning when I pitched the story idea to a few people for feedback and to gauge interest. So while things in Der Kampf have and will change based on feedback, I’m certain Hitler’s fate will be one most will find… satisfactory.

Many characters you have so far met and for those to come have had their fates loosely decided on. Simon Golmayer, Franz Olbrecht, and Paul Lutjens have all had their fates planned out but these are subject to change of course.

For Hitler’s inner circle/ministers/top ranking government members I am going to have to make a separate post about that with info declaring if they are fictional or historical. Suggestions welcome as there are a LOT of blank slots open right now. Olbrecht will command the Sturmwache-Leibgarde. Staatsprotektor Kaltenbrunner the Staatschutz (Sozinat SS, though I need a name change to differentiate from OTL SS. Original was Staatsverteidigung, SVS, but was noted as odd in German so wouldn’t make sense got a German speaking country to use). Seyss-Inquart is… something. Maybe Foreign Minister? I have a guy named Breslauer as Propaganda Minister. I vaguely remember basing him off a historical Nazi that worked under Goebbels but I can’t for the life of me remember who.

Last thing for the actual story: Austria will have a navy… sort of. When Hitler comes to power he does make a Volksmarine but it is mainly rived torpedo boats and customs inspection parties.

But once Austria starts to expand and especially once it gets some coastline there will be a small navy. It is not the focus of Austria’s manpower, money or resources so let me know if it’s too big.

I was thinking during the mid/late 1930s that the Sozinats commission the Italians to build for them a heavy cruiser (flagship), a light cruiser, 3 destroyers and a dozen corvettes with the pride of the fleet being 20-30 or so submarines that are to be largely used in the Mediterranean. Add in a few other ships captured from occupied countries to supplement this a smidge but not by much. Is this too large of a navy or too small for the Austrians, or even perhaps just right? I haven’t gone into detail about how large the Austrian State will be and will keep that under wraps due to spoilers. So I know it’s more difficult to guess because you as the reader don’t quite know how large or powerful Austria gets here.

Now onto other matters. As mentioned many months ago, the U.S. will focus more of its effort and forces in the Pacific whenever it joins the war. As a result the big bad in many American WW2 games and movies will not be Sozinat Austria but rather Imperial Japan.

This could lead to a very different Band of Brothers, Saving Private Ryan, Medal of Honor and Call of Duty games, at least where their focus is.

Here is a list of books/games/movies that we can only guess and ponder at how thwould be similar/different to OTL:
-Star Wars
-Medal of Honor
-Call of Duty
-Comic Books like Captain America
-Worldwar by Harry Turtledove
-Wolfenstein (would the enemy be a fictional Unit 732 with Samurai mechs and a Japan dominated world, or a Sozinat dominated Europe using Jewish and Serbian “science” to conquer the world)
-Call of Duty: Vanguard, instead of Hermann Freisinger, it is our very own Fridolin Glass)
-The Man in the High Castle (an Austrian and Japanese divided world between them)

These are only a few examples with lots of wiggle room to change at your heart’s content.

Anyway, my rambling is done. Hope y’all enjoyed snd if you have any thoughts, questions, comments, etc, on the story beats shared or the speculative entertainment section feel free to share them. Can be on one thing or another or all of it. Whatever sparked your interest.

TL;DR
-story beats
-fascism in South America
-list of high ranking Sozinat Austrian officials
-Volksmarine
-how would Austria and Japan be the big bad and how they are portrayed in film/tv/games/literature
Guido Schmidt. Would be a nice Foreign Minister.
 
Is it realistic for Chile, Ecuador and Argentina to go fascist by the early to mid 1930s?
I think outside of Paraguay and Bolivia, who were already fascist in early to mid 1930s, Brazil and Chile might be the only two South American nations that can go fascist, but only in 1938 with their attempted coups.
 
South East Asia had a lot of Communists at that time. Soviets can Help Ho, Malaysian Communists and Indonesian Communists.
 
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Just asking when you said the Austrians would fight the war smartly as they don't much manpower so if they losing a battle and where retreating would they just leave a heavy ton of landmines and make artillery killing zones for the enemy and you said Bavaria might join Austria so is this by Austrian force or after the German civil war would Austria send spies to Bavaria and use propaganda as something like how the Austrian and Bavarian culture and dialects are more similar to each other to gain a more Germanic population in this new rising state.
Ps I think you should called it something like the Greater Austria(GroBösterreich)or Greater Austrian State(GroBösterreichisches Bundesland)after they gain most of their old territories and some new ones as Austrian Reichskommissariats(Österreichsches Reichskommissariat)
 
Just asking when you said the Austrians would fight the war smartly as they don't much manpower so if they losing a battle and where retreating would they just leave a heavy ton of landmines and make artillery killing zones for the enemy and you said Bavaria might join Austria so is this by Austrian force or after the German civil war would Austria send spies to Bavaria and use propaganda as something like how the Austrian and Bavarian culture and dialects are more similar to each other to gain a more Germanic population in this new rising state.
Ps I think you should called it something like the Greater Austria(GroBösterreich)or Greater Austrian State(GroBösterreichisches Bundesland)after they gain most of their old territories and some new ones as Austrian Reichskommissariats(Österreichsches Reichskommissariat)
I see two big problems here, one is that Austria can in no way afford a long war, at least in the beginning, and must, like Germany OTL, show quick successes, otherwise they will be overwhelmed by the enemy's material superiority.
On the other hand, no matter how you look at it, Germany is still much more powerful than Austria, even after Versailles, so I think it is very daring from Austria's point of view to support separatists in this country, especially when Germany is the much more internally consolidated nation compared to Austria, because OTL was Austria's problem that apart from the dual monarchy and as the heartland of the empire, there was no real national identity and German Austria even tried to become part of Germany.
Especially since Germany as a large neutral neighbour is more valuable than anything Bavaria can offer Austria, since Bavaria was still very poor at that time.
And Austria would do well to take steps to prevent a multi-front war, as this was one of the reasons for its defeat in the Great War.
 
I see two big problems here, one is that Austria can in no way afford a long war, at least in the beginning, and must, like Germany OTL, show quick successes, otherwise they will be overwhelmed by the enemy's material superiority.
On the other hand, no matter how you look at it, Germany is still much more powerful than Austria, even after Versailles, so I think it is very daring from Austria's point of view to support separatists in this country, especially when Germany is the much more internally consolidated nation compared to Austria, because OTL was Austria's problem that apart from the dual monarchy and as the heartland of the empire, there was no real national identity and German Austria even tried to become part of Germany.
Especially since Germany as a large neutral neighbour is more valuable than anything Bavaria can offer Austria, since Bavaria was still very poor at that time.
And Austria would do well to take steps to prevent a multi-front war, as this was one of the reasons for its defeat in the Great War.
Tanner has Mentioned that Germany will have a civil war. Austria would'nt support rebels.
Rebles would want to join Austria like Texas.
Hitler will be a Pan Germanist.
If He has the Chance,He would rule Berlin frim Vienna.
Then You may ask, why would'nt Germany attack Aystria immediately after the war: 2 reasons: Devastation of Civil war.
The same reason for which Franco never attacked Gibraltar.
France.
France would be terrified of a resurgent German Empire and back Austrua in Case of a War.
As Such Germany would lose.
 
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Tanner has Mentioned that Germany will have a civil war. Austria would'nt support rebels.
Rebles would want to join Austria like Texas.
Hitler will be a Pan Germanist.
If He has the Chance,He would rule Berlin frim Vienna.
Then You may ask, why would'nt Germany attack Aystria immediately after the war: 2 reasons: Devastation of Civil war.
The same reason for which Franco never attacked Gibraltar.
France.
France would be terrified of a resurgent German Empire and back Austrua in Case of a War.
As Such Germany would lose.
Honestly, now you're grasping at straws.
On the one hand, it may be true that Bavaria had and still has the greatest aspirations for independence, but there was never any serious discussion about joining Austria, nor were there very many aspirations for independence.
On the other hand, separatism as a political platform was dead after 1919 and 1923.
Especially when neither in 1919, when the government was both involved in a civil war and lacked legitimacy, nor in 1923, when just defacto parts of the military tried to coup against it, did any region succeed in leaving the German Reich, despite the presence of foreign support, what makes you think it is different this time.
In addition, the populations of Bavaria and Austria were almost equal, so it would not be so much a larger nation swallowing a smaller one, but a union between equal partners, which would bring further difficulties.
In addition, the strongest political party in Bavaria was the Bavarian Party, a Catholic conservative party of the democratic spectrum, which advocated a strong federalism.
The NSDAP, despite the fact that Nuremberg was the capital of the movement, had never managed to become a relevant political force in Bavaria, so why should Bavaria join a country governed by a similar ideology when there was already only marginal support for the local alternatives?
And France? Really, the country that stood idly by as Adolf Hitler OTL flouted almost all the restrictions of the Versailles Treaty is going to invade Germany because the Germans have taken back their Kaiser? And in support of a country that poses a direct threat to some of France's Central-Eastern European allies?
Hardly, especially as I doubt that Britain or the USA will finance this adventure.
Franco was the dictator of a country that had been a joke in Europe for decades, to the point of saying that Africa begins behind the Pyrenees.
It should be logical that a country like that, after a very devastating civil war, does not start a conflict with one of the most powerful countries in the world.
But this does not apply to the situation between Germany and Austria.
 
Any location ideas for a Berghof equivalent?

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Tanner has Mentioned that Germany will have a civil war. Austria would'nt support rebels.
Rebles would want to join Austria like Texas.
Hitler will be a Pan Germanist.
If He has the Chance,He would rule Berlin frim Vienna.
Then You may ask, why would'nt Germany attack Aystria immediately after the war: 2 reasons: Devastation of Civil war.
The same reason for which Franco never attacked Gibraltar.
France.
France would be terrified of a resurgent German Empire and back Austrua in Case of a War.
As Such Germany would lose.
Thanks for the feedback I guess it would make more sense if I said some thing like this:Maybe after Hilter comes back from Japan he is inspired by the people he meets in Japan and Benito Mussolini's March on Rome with his Blackshirts to inspire Hilter to do March on Vienna or Something like a Linz or Vienna Putsch with Hilter's wolfs and or does he join the Fatherland Front then break away from group alternate Austrian civil war in the same year(1934) and if the German civil war is earlier in this timeline then lots of Germans could escape to Austria and because the civil war in Austria is less brutal and shorter the new citizens in Austria would be fine and this would bring more wealth and better scientists to Austria and I think you should watch Mrmochalover play the dreams of austria mod to get some more ideas in the story but watch when he goes Monarchist because when he goes Fascist he join pact of Rome with Hungary and some others and get Switzerland to submit to Austria then annexs then later and gain Slovenia and Bohemia or the Czech Republic then Invades Germany whilst when we goes Monarchist he just gains the old lands of the empire and I have an idea for propaganda of the allies is maybe Austria invades liechtenstein then the allies uses the war as propaganda against to make fun of Austria.
 
Is it realistic for Chile, Ecuador and Argentina to go fascist by the early to mid 1930s? To help these countries turn to Fascism, the Austrians will expend a fair amount of money and gift leftover/dated military equipment to them, as well as mutually beneficial trade deals with potentially assassination and political pressure to encourage the rise of like-minded movements. This will all be done under the supervision of high ranking Sozinat Fridolin Glass. He is going to be the guy Hitler goes to for foreign intelligence and operations. He is historical but not much is known about him but he was ambitious, took initiative and was a dedicated Nazi (from what little I can gather) so here he’ll be a vital cog in the Sozinat machine.
First allow me to say I’m an Argentinian who despises the trope of timelines casually saying “Argentina made stupid mistakes and lost half its territory“ without developing the situation or just to mention South America. I’m not a patriot or a nationalist or anything close (in fact I consider modern Argentina quite a shithole), but it gets annoying.

So, Argentina had by that time some military coups which were generally right wing, but they generally only lasted a few years before reverting to democracy. IMO, if you can get one of those to stay in power, you may have a country with quite the right wing tendencies and sympathetic to fascism in Europe, but not with the degree of extremism we saw there. The conditions are not so extreme, and Argentina was still in decently good shape by then.

I won’t say anything about the rest of the countries cause honestly I dont Know enough of their situation in this period.

Also do you plan for Germany to join Austria here? Or will they go a different path from fascism?
 
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For Hitler’s inner circle/ministers/top ranking government members I am going to have to make a separate post about that with info declaring if they are fictional or historical. Suggestions welcome as there are a LOT of blank slots open right now. Olbrecht will command the Sturmwache-Leibgarde. Staatsprotektor Kaltenbrunner the Staatschutz (Sozinat SS, though I need a name change to differentiate from OTL SS. Original was Staatsverteidigung, SVS, but was noted as odd in German so wouldn’t make sense got a German speaking country to use). Seyss-Inquart is… something. Maybe Foreign Minister? I have a guy named Breslauer as Propaganda Minister. I vaguely remember basing him off a historical Nazi that worked under Goebbels but I can’t for the life of me remember who.

Seyss-Inquart is fine. He wanted to become foreign minister in OTL (and while he was real enthusiastic about the Anschluss, he was apparently unhappy about how Austria first just become a province and then was split up into various Reichsgaue that weren't even called Austria. Apparently he'd naively expected a special status).

Some other Austrians who could play a role in Hitler's regime in one way or another:
  • Otto Wächter. Austrian Nazi Party lawyer, was involved in the failed SS coup in 1934 that led to Dolfuss' murder. Member of Seyss-Inquart's government, then governor of Cracow and later Galicia in the General Government, where he was responsible for atrocities against the Jews (among other things, he established the Cracow ghetto and oversaw the implementation of the 'Final Solution' in Galicia).
  • Alois Brunner. Actually from Hungary, but German. Involved in the Austrian Legion and Eichmann's chief henchman. Commandant of Drancy during the war. Known for his brutality and being a complete scumbag. Not a high-level guy, but I figure he'd find work in the Staatsschutz. Along with Franz Stangl, commandant of Sobibor and later Treblinka.
  • Hans Fischböck. Member of Seyss' cabinet as economics and finance minister. Followed his old boss to the Netherlands, where he took charge of exploiting the new Nazi fief's economy, expropriating Jewish property and sending forced labourers to Germany. Seems ideal for having the same portfolio under Hitler.
  • Odilo Globocnik. Yes, I know, Harris uses him in Fatherland, but there are good reasons for that. He had a leading role in organising the Aktion Reinhardt death camps and the murder of about one and a half million Jews. Plus he played an important role in Himmler's plans for 'colonising' the east.
  • Alois Hudal. Austrian bishop who praised Hitler and helped establish ratlines. Maybe an ally for Hitler in the Catholic church.
Since this Hitler sees Austria as the better Germany and doesn't want it to be subsumed into the German Reich, I could see some people who in OTL involved with Dolfuss' Fatherland Front and his Ständestaat regime throw in their lot with him.
 
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When Hitler inevitably gets Tyrol back from Italy, he could always build his version of the Berghof in the Lizumer Reckner, so as to stake his personal claim on this territory that has been restored to Austria.


Allternatively, there are all kinds of mountain ranges in the Central Eastern Alps.





Seyess Inquart was only Foreign Minister for three days between 30th April - 2nd May 1945. I think Tanner wants to make Seyess Inquart his equivalent of Ribbentrop.
The question of South Tyrol has been problematic in my planning. I was originally going to go with a ÖSNVP-backed resistance proving such a pain that Mussolini and Hitler agree to a plebiscite and South Tyrol elects to return to Austria. This bloodless political and territorial victory is early on in Hitler’s rule as Führer and helps legitimize him to the conservative/fascist but non-ÖSNVP crowd.

However, after asking an AH member here whose opinion I value, he pointed out that there was no way Mussolini would simply give up a territorial concession Italy gained in WW1, a war in which they critiqued their lack of land gained at the cost paid.

We went back and forth about it, but he convinced me it simply wasn’t something that would be in Italy’s best interests.

Now I’ve stated before that Austria and Italy will have a contentious relationship until their relations warm and eventually become the Axis Powers in the mid-1930s. A compromise I’ve been trying to work on is that Italy will give South Tyrol semi-autonomy due to Austrian resistance/and that Hitler’s Austria will not only turn a blind eye but outright encourage and support Italian territorial expansion in the Balkans and in Africa. Mussolini keeps South Tyrol, officially, but it’s people are exempt from taxation (or 80% goes to Austria, 20% goes to Italy) and conscription which goes to the Austrian State instead.

or

How about that this Agreement leads to the official Axis Powers being declared, a host of trade and economic treaties, as well as coordination between the two’s military forces, alongside Hitler’s recognition of Italy’s conquest of Ethiopia, and essentially a blind eye/encouragements to Italian ambitions in Africa and Balkans (with Austria claiming portions of northern Yugoslavia, aka Slovenia, while Italy claims southern Yugoslavia with a puppet Bosnia and Croatia in between, with Serbia being a Occupied Zone, aka a General-Government equivalent).

What do y’all think? Should South Tyrol:
A) remain a part of Italy, no strings attached
B) remain a part of Italy, but its citizens are conscripted into the Austrian Volkswehr and for all intents and purposes is an Austrian province in all but name
C) is annexed by Austria in some sort of deal with Italy and is fully integrated into the Austrian State

If any of you have suggestions or feedback on the South Tyrol question I would greatly appreciate it. It’s been a thorn in my planning for quite a while now.

Also South Tyrol as whole was around ~660,000-670,000. That is a significant amount that Austria can conscript, tax and put to work. It would be a major boon to Hitler’s Austria, especially that manpower. So a way that Austria gets South Tyrol without going ASB is welcome. I’m willing to bend historical accuracy, but don’t want to outright break it ( at least not often).
Guido Schmidt. Would be a nice Foreign Minister.
It looks like Schmidt might be Foreign Minister here for the Austrian State. Good choice. He was actually a placeholder way early in my planning.
I think outside of Paraguay and Bolivia, who were already fascist in early to mid 1930s, Brazil and Chile might be the only two South American nations that can go fascist, but only in 1938 with their attempted coups.
Hmm. Paraguay and Bolivia, perhaps a successful Nepalti Bonifaz presidency, or even Colonel Luis Alba remaining as president with the support of the Radical Liberals and the National Compact. Though admittedly the only reason I even know those names is because of Axis of the Andes: WW2 in South America, an Alternate History by D.G. Valdron. It is a very descriptive book over a WW2 in South America, though it won’t suit everyone’s tastes.
It kinda did IOTL, it just couldnt keep it up
If you can get this guy to stay in power with some relative popularity it might work
I like that. What if Uriburo survived another year or two to stabilize his regime, and when he dies Justo takes over a much more stable country and can rule for longer.
South East Asia had a lot of Communists at that time. Soviets can Help Ho, Malaysian Communists and Indonesian Communists.
Soviet foreign policy will be quite aggressive. More so than OTL. This causes a lot of anti-Communist actions from both democracies, conservative governments and even fascists.
I see two big problems here, one is that Austria can in no way afford a long war, at least in the beginning, and must, like Germany OTL, show quick successes, otherwise they will be overwhelmed by the enemy's material superiority.
On the other hand, no matter how you look at it, Germany is still much more powerful than Austria, even after Versailles, so I think it is very daring from Austria's point of view to support separatists in this country, especially when Germany is the much more internally consolidated nation compared to Austria, because OTL was Austria's problem that apart from the dual monarchy and as the heartland of the empire, there was no real national identity and German Austria even tried to become part of Germany.
Especially since Germany as a large neutral neighbour is more valuable than anything Bavaria can offer Austria, since Bavaria was still very poor at that time.
And Austria would do well to take steps to prevent a multi-front war, as this was one of the reasons for its defeat in the Great War.
You are absolutely correct. Austria needs short victorious wars. And will get one in the late 1930s to iron out any equipment/doctrinal issues and to test their new way of war: Stoßanstürmen (Shocking Attack) and one of their key features of it: Nacht und Nebel (Night and Fog/Mist).

As for the national identity, here due to the National Liberal Front coming to power as the junior member of a coalition government this is already starting to show a burgeoning nation identity. The NLF is staunchly pro-Austria. I’ll make that more obvious in the book version.

The Austrians will despise a multi-front war, and will take steps to avoid it though as the war progresses it’ll become harder and harder. And when Austria takes over land, typically they will install puppets rather than annex and constantly deal with partisans. For example 4-5 nations that join the Axis join after WW2 starts, most of them are created as puppet/client buffer states. They will still have partisan problems, but unlike the Nazis who went in and conquered everything and put it under military rule, the Austrians here give a lot to their “allies” as Hitler here isn’t focused on lebensraum like OTL Hitler, instead he wants a Sozinat Eastern and Southern Europe dominated by Austria/Italy with the Fatherland receiving the best economic and trade deals. Essentially he wants Austria at the top of a military-economic alliance, rather than sole ruler of Europe. Even Hitler here has to be somewhat realistic with what his nation can do.

I will say that Austria will expand territorially, much of it done pre-war. The French will be the one green lighting a lot of this (aka elbowing the British and Americans to accept this, much of it hesitantly, all to hurt a resurgent Imperial Germany. Germany and Austria’s relationship will be… complicated. Won’t go further into that due to spoilers.

Would there be some kind of Austrian special forces in this alternate war as something like the German Fallschirmjäger?
I would think so. I haven’t sat down and done much there, but the Sturmwache will be a smaller and much better trained Waffen-SS analogue. And when I mean small, maybe a division or two. Not the huge monstrosity the SS became.

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That’s pretty. And the one @Nathan Bernacki mentioned as well are good locations. I’ll have to think about these two.
Thanks for the feedback I guess it would make more sense if I said some thing like this:Maybe after Hilter comes back from Japan he is inspired by the people he meets in Japan and Benito Mussolini's March on Rome with his Blackshirts to inspire Hilter to do March on Vienna or Something like a Linz or Vienna Putsch with Hilter's wolfs and or does he join the Fatherland Front then break away from group alternate Austrian civil war in the same year(1934) and if the German civil war is earlier in this timeline then lots of Germans could escape to Austria and because the civil war in Austria is less brutal and shorter the new citizens in Austria would be fine and this would bring more wealth and better scientists to Austria and I think you should watch Mrmochalover play the dreams of austria mod to get some more ideas in the story but watch when he goes Monarchist because when he goes Fascist he join pact of Rome with Hungary and some others and get Switzerland to submit to Austria then annexs then later and gain Slovenia and Bohemia or the Czech Republic then Invades Germany whilst when we goes Monarchist he just gains the old lands of the empire and I have an idea for propaganda of the allies is maybe Austria invades liechtenstein then the allies uses the war as propaganda against to make fun of Austria.
There will not be a March on Vienna. Dollfuss will have a role to play though. Won’t diverge due to spoilers.
First allow me to say I’m an Argentinian who despises the trope of timelines casually saying “Argentina made stupid mistakes and lost half its territory“ without developing the situation or just to mention South America. I’m not a patriot or a nationalist or anything close (in fact I consider modern Argentina quite a shithole), but it gets annoying.

So, Argentina had by that time some military coups which were generally right wing, but they generally only lasted a few years before reverting to democracy. IMO, if you can get one of those to stay in power, you may have a country with quite the right wing tendencies and sympathetic to fascism in Europe, but not with the degree of extremism we saw there. The conditions are not so extreme, and Argentina was still in decently good shape by then.

I won’t say anything about the rest of the countries cause honestly I dont Know enough of their situation in this period.

Also do you plan for Germany to join Austria here? Or will they go a different path from fascism?
I didn’t say Argentina made stupid mistakes or lost half its territory. If I offended you, that was not my intention. I was merely trying to find a way to “spice up” South America during WW2 and provide a reason why American foreign policy was more focused there than say Eastern/Southern Europe. Argentina won’t be as economically ravaged as late 1920s/early 1930s Germany and Austria were.

So far Bolivia and Paraguay are going fascist, potentially Chile and Ecuador. Argentina may very well go fascist, but it may or may not involve itself, same with Ecuador. As I said, I wasn’t trying to offend as, to be honest, I didn’t even know there was a cliche about Argentina “losing half its territory” etc.

Germany and Austria, as I mentioned earlier, will have a complicated relationship.
Seyss-Inquart is fine. He wanted to become foreign minister in OTL (and while he was real enthusiastic about the Anschluss, he was apparently unhappy about how Austria first just become a province and then was split up into various Reichsgaue that weren't even called Austria. Apparently he'd naively expected a special status).

Some other Austrians who could play a role in Hitler's regime in one way or another:
  • Otto Wächter. Austrian Nazi Party lawyer, was involved in the failed SS coup in 1934 that led to Dolfuss' murder. Member of Seyss-Inquart's government, then governor of Cracow and later Galicia in the General Government, where he was responsible for atrocities against the Jews (among other things, he established the Cracow ghetto and oversaw the implementation of the 'Final Solution' in Galicia).
  • Alois Brunner. Actually from Hungary, but German. Involved in the Austrian Legion and Eichmann's chief henchman. Commandant of Drancy during the war. Known for his brutality and being a complete scumbag. Not a high-level guy, but I figure he'd find work in the Staatsschutz. Along with Franz Stangl, commandant of Sobibor and later Treblinka.
  • Hans Fischböck. Member of Seyss' cabinet as economics and finance minister. Followed his old boss to the Netherlands, where he took charge of exploiting the new Nazi fief's economy, expropriating Jewish property and sending forced labourers to Germany. Seems ideal for having the same portfolio under Hitler.
  • Odilo Globocnik. Yes, I know, Harris uses him in Fatherland, but there are good reasons for that. He had a leading role in organising the Aktion Reinhardt death camps and the murder of about one and a half million Jews. Plus he played an important role in Himmler's plans for 'colonising' the east.
  • Alois Hudal. Austrian bishop who praised Hitler and helped establish ratlines. Maybe an ally for Hitler in the Catholic church.
Since this Hitler sees Austria as the better Germany and doesn't want it to be subsumed into the German Reich, I could see some people who in OTL involved with Dolfuss' Fatherland Front and his Ständestaat regime throw in their lot with him.
Guess he thought Austria would have been a fellow Nazi country rather than annexed into one. I might go with Guido Schmidt for Foreign Minister. What do you think? Could Seyss-Inquart here be perhaps the President of the National Council? (I’m going to have Hitler or a predecessor unite the National Council and Federal Council into the more simplified National Assembly). And Seyss-Inquart could be Minister of the Interior and President of the National Assembly or some such.

Thanks for those other suggestions! Those’ll be a huge help, especially Fischböck and Hudal. Never heard of them. I already have a Vice Chancellor in mind (not going to use the Deputy Führer/Deputy to the Führer title).

As a heads up to everyone I am behind on my writing (big surprise) as I have been playing a LOT of Battlefields 2042 (mainly the Portal Battlefield 1942) and the Halo Infinite Multiplayer. That’s literally all I’ve done this Thanksgiving Break. Zero writing and spent all day doing work to catch up from not doing work all well. I’m hoping to get it out sometime by next weekend. Having to condense a lot of filler and rearrange some scenes.

It’ll be Hitler, Fyodor, Olbrecht and Kuhr. May or may not add another. Depends what happens.
 
For your thing on South Tyrol, I’m thinking something closer to B, or at least something like special privileges or something.

Austria would need something absolutely juicy to offer to the Italians to even get them to consider giving it to them.

I mean, look at Bulgaria and the Ottomans. Only reason they worked together back in WW1 was because Germany managed to convince the Ottomans to give Bulgaria something they wanted and the Turks did.
 
For your thing on South Tyrol, I’m thinking something closer to B, or at least something like special privileges or something.

Austria would need something absolutely juicy to offer to the Italians to even get them to consider giving it to them.

I mean, look at Bulgaria and the Ottomans. Only reason they worked together back in WW1 was because Germany managed to convince the Ottomans to give Bulgaria something they wanted and the Turks did.
I agree with B. If cooperation between the Italians and Austrians is very tight ITTL, then I think Mussolini could be convinced to allow local ethnic Germans to be recruited into the Volkswehr. Perhaps this could be part of an agreement between the Volkswehr and the Royal Italian Army (Regio Esercito) where the Austrians help train conscripts from Italy in return for being permitted to recruit those ethnic Germans from South Tyrol that they've trained, into the Volkswehr (although, as you suggest, I think some additional incentives might be required). Perhaps this could lead to an impromptu Italian unit eventually forming in the Volkswehr.
 
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Guess he thought Austria would have been a fellow Nazi country rather than annexed into one. I might go with Guido Schmidt for Foreign Minister. What do you think? Could Seyss-Inquart here be perhaps the President of the National Council? (I’m going to have Hitler or a predecessor unite the National Council and Federal Council into the more simplified National Assembly). And Seyss-Inquart could be Minister of the Interior and President of the National Assembly or some such.

Oh, Seyss-Inquart strongly supported Anschluss, but expected it to go differently and at a more gradual pace. He wanted Austria to basically remain autonomous and expected Hitler to allow him to form an 'Austrian Ministry' that would not only prepare the Austrians for unification, but 'Austrianise' the Reich. Hitler obviously disagreed. The name Austria vanished from the map and it was replaced by the seven Alpine and Danubian Reichsgaue (in 1942 they even stopped using the term Ostmark), dissolving the old bonds between the Austrian lands. Josef Bürckel, a Reich German with whom Seyss-Inquart quarrelled, was made responsible for unification and removed many of the latter's friends from office.

Considering how Hitler had dealt with the Länder in the old Reich, Seyss-Inquart's expectations were naive, but he seems to have believed Hitler would have a sentimental attachment to his home. Kaltenbrunner seems to have shared his feelings in that regard to an extent, partly since he was unhappy about being marginalised as Higher SS and Police Leader until he got his promotion in 1943 (Heydrich seems to have disliked Kaltenbrunner for some reason and basically denied him control over the local Security Police and SD, whereas Himmler liked him a lot).

Anyhow, I'm not that familiar with Guido Schmidt, but I think that setup works. As Seyss-Inquart's record in the Netherlands shows, he had no qualms about bloody repression and committing atrocities. Plus he's a Nazi lawyer who looks respectable. Ideal for twisting the law.

Peter Black's Kaltenbrunner biography (Ernst Kaltenbrunner: Ideological Soldier of the Third Reich) is kinda old now, but a good source on Austrian Nazis.
 
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I didn’t say Argentina made stupid mistakes or lost half its territory. If I offended you, that was not my intention. I was merely trying to find a way to “spice up” South America during WW2 and provide a reason why American foreign policy was more focused there than say Eastern/Southern Europe. Argentina won’t be as economically ravaged as late 1920s/early 1930s Germany and Austria were.

So far Bolivia and Paraguay are going fascist, potentially Chile and Ecuador. Argentina may very well go fascist, but it may or may not involve itself, same with Ecuador. As I said, I wasn’t trying to offend as, to be honest, I didn’t even know there was a cliche about Argentina “losing half its territory” etc.

Germany and Austria, as I mentioned earlier, will have a complicated relationship.
I was not offended by any means, in fact sorry if it sounded like it. I was trying to speak in a more amicable tone, but I clearly failed at it lmao. The only point about the statement about the trope was to tell you I might have a bias in the situation and not be complete objective, not to accuse you of falling into the trope. That wouldn’t be fair at all since you haven’t even reached that point.
 
What do y’all think? Should South Tyrol:
A) remain a part of Italy, no strings attached
B) remain a part of Italy, but its citizens are conscripted into the Austrian Volkswehr and for all intents and purposes is an Austrian province in all but name
C) is annexed by Austria in some sort of deal with Italy and is fully integrated into the Austrian State

If any of you have suggestions or feedback on the South Tyrol question I would greatly appreciate it. It’s been a thorn in my planning for quite a while now.

Also South Tyrol as whole was around ~660,000-670,000. That is a significant amount that Austria can conscript, tax and put to work. It would be a major boon to Hitler’s Austria, especially that manpower. So a way that Austria gets South Tyrol without going ASB is welcome. I’m willing to bend historical accuracy, but don’t want to outright break it ( at least not often).

In OTL Hitler and Mussolini made a deal whereby the South Tyroleans were given the option to remain in Italian South Tyrol or emigrate into the German Reich. Mussolini agreed to it because he wanted to get rid of the troublesome German-speaking locals since assimilation policies had failed. With that in mind - and taking into account that Austria would be less powerful than the OTL German Reich - I can't see Italy ceding the territory and letting Austria annex it. B is interesting from a narrative perspective, but I can't Italy conceding de facto control over the place. Fascism came into being because Italy felt it had been 'cheated' at the victor's table. It would undermine Mussolini's legitimacy. OTL Mussolini didn't go that far until he was just the puppet ruler of Salò. Something along the lines of the OTL agreement seems the furthest they'd go, from my perspective.

Fun fact, Himmler suggested Burgundy as a place to resettle the South Tyroleans. However, Hitler had other ideas...since that would mess up the armistice with Vichy France, and so he considered relocating them to the Crimea Peninsula. However, absence of territory aside, resettlement proceeded very slowly and the initial enthusiasm soon faded away. And then Mussolini was toppled and South Tyrol was occupied by Germany, which gave everyone a reason to terminate a project that gone nowhere.

Found a book about the South Tyrol question while googling: https://books.google.de/books?id=UP8oyC24Xu8C&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=burgundy+south+tyrol+himmler&source=bl&ots=VyBo_TzPr-&sig=ACfU3U2TbYIelZ541-_MHKintg_UzLyTOQ&hl=de&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjruOnv4r30AhUKhf0HHfLgC1QQ6AF6BAgjEAM#v=onepage&q=burgundy south tyrol himmler&f=false
 
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