Everyone is focused on colonies and such but how much would the Netherlands get in terms of European land in this TL?
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IMHO the fate of whatever colony will be decided von on the negotiation Tablets of europe regardless what or who's boots are planted in whatever swamp, desert or beeches sand (apart maybe the Pripjat).
True, but, without occupying the colonies, you would have a lot less negotiating power. Especialy if you don't even occupy Britain, or any of its dominions/allies. So Britain isn't as willing to hand over any of its colonies during the negotiations. So the best the Dutch can hope for is some French colonies the Germans don't want.
Even though the Dutch aren't realy interested in any Belgian territories, my guess would be at least Belgian Limburg, maybe Antwerp. If very lucky Flanders and Brabant. That is of course assuming that the central powers won't use Belgium as change for Britain to make peace, as in they restore Belgian independence if Britain signs the peace agreement.
Oh, this all of course in the unlikely situation that Dutch involvement would make the central powers actualy win, which it won't.
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All the Central Powers have to do is refuse to leave occupied France until the British give the Dutch their colonies back, and they'll be motivated to do so because a Britain that isn't handing the Dutch colonies over also isn't offering the Germans anything to leave. Even in a Russia-first scenario, the French are going to be invaded; the whole point of those plans was to bait the French into the attack, crush them against the fortresses, and then counterattack into France.
You are probably right, but what if Australia occupies Dutch New Guinea and Japan the Dutch Maluku islands and the USA the Dutch American colonies. Would they be so willing to hand them back to the Netherlands?
If CPs win it probably depends when the Netherlands enter to the war. But in best it gets Flanders but if NL steps pretty late probably only just some border adjustments in Dutch favor. NL would become politically and economically really close of Germany.
If CPs lost the war, Netherlands loses at least some border regions to Belgium. Perhaps even Limburg if Belgium wants go really expansionist mood. Dutch monarchy probably falls or at least queen Wilhelmina is enforced to abdicate.
Not sure what Dutch politics would look like if Entente still wins the war.
Even OTL when the Netherlands was neutral Belgium demanded Limburg and Zeelandic Flanders from the Netherlands. So if the Netherlands actualy joins the Central powers they are certainly going to lose it and possibly more.
No, Dutch Nationalism was concentrated around consolidating and strenghtening existing possesions. I would say 1914 Netherland was already wanked for it's population size.
Yes, because they also need to give back the German teritories, and Germany has a fleet it can use as Great Britain can be forced not to interfere. Australia will fall imediately in line, Japan may not be so wise.
Again no expansionist feelings at all in the Netherlands in 1914.
Any expansion will be cosmetical. Some claims deep in the Jungle of Guyana where there was a dispute which creeks were the origins of the borderrivers. Maybe Saint Martin. But i think the main goal would be to avoid a future conflict with Great Britain, which could (again) compromise the safety of DEI. The Dutch were well aware that was completely dependent on goodwill of GB. So a peace will be prefered where the Netherlands can revert to it's political neutral state, while economically tying itself more to Germany. I can actually see them asking Germany for an economically advantageous agreement in exchange for leaving all teritorial claims unclaimed.
What kind of a Netherlands are we talking about here? One that joins the CP is not democratic, and must have a POD way before 1900. Because our army was shit, our airforce non existent and our fleet spreadout and old.
What would we get? Well if we win a war against the US we want manhattan back of course
But realistically, we would want Belgium, and Belgian territory in Africa.
At least, thats how ultra-nationalistic and reactionary i see a Netherlands that joins the CP.
What would we get? Well if we win a war against the US we want manhattan back of course
But realistically, we would want Belgium, and Belgian territory in Africa.
At least, thats how ultra-nationalistic and reactionary i see a Netherlands that joins the CP.
We had a discussion about this possibility some years ago: Whoever started that thread suggested that the Dutch army moving south through Belgium, in conjunction with the German forces' advance through Belgium to their east, could have let the CP forces over-run the Entente forces' positions early on and thus ended the 'Western Front' before that got bogged-down into trench warfare. However, a Dutch poster explained that in those days the Dutch army didn't have the logistic arrangements needed for such an exccursion, and so would have had to rely on the Germans' own already-overstretched arrangements instead.