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[Roger Redux]

This one would focus on Luke's father (we need a name for him, by the way), and Vader, showing how Vader fell as well as how Luke's parents met, plus it would also show what the Old Empire was like before Vader took over.

So there'd be the New Empire sequel series, the prequel featuring Yoda and pals, and a prequel featuring Galen "Vader" Marek and Kane Skywalker (Annikin's father's name from an early draft of Star Wars)?

Kane Skywalker definitely works; other Skywalkers from OTL's EU (now Legends) include: Cade, Nat, Cole, and (of course) Ben.
Another possibility, if the Star Wars: Alien Exodus project comes to fruition ITTL, might be Hender Skywalker.
Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Exodus
Everything else sounds great!

 

[PunMaster]

Kane Skywalker definitely works; other Skywalkers from OTL's EU (now Legends) include: Cade, Nat, Cole, and (of course) Ben.
Another possibility, if the Star Wars: Alien Exodus project comes to fruition ITTL, might be Hender Skywalker.
Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alien_Exodus
Everything else sounds great!

Looking at that story idea, some of that could be used for the prequel movie focusing on the Old Empire vs the Rakata Infinite Empire. Perhaps Hender Skywalker is Luke and Kane's ancestor, who led a revolt against the Rakata and was one of the first Jedi? Thanks for the name ideas and for linking that, Roger.

 

[Roger Redux]

Looking at that story idea, some of that could be used for the prequel movie focusing on the Old Empire vs the Rakata Infinite Empire. Perhaps Hender Skywalker is Luke and Kane's ancestor, who led a revolt against the Rakata and was one of the first Jedi? Thanks for the name ideas and for linking that, Roger.

You're welcome! ^_^

 

[OldNavy1988]

So with Boba's and Sheev's arcs being talked about, how about the arcs for Luke, Han, Anakin and Leia?

 

[HonestAbe1809]

So with Boba's and Sheev's arcs being talked about, how about the arcs for Luke, Han, Anakin and Leia?

Maybe Han can realize that his seemingly unnatural good luck in marksmanship is due to him instinctively using the Force. It just seems appropriate that, if he's as cynical about the Force as OTL, he'd be an unwitting Force User.

Leila would have rediscovered and lost her birth father. And she'd be a guerrilla leader thrust into a world of royal responsibility.

 

[PunMaster]

So with Boba's and Sheev's arcs being talked about, how about the arcs for Luke, Han, Anakin and Leia?

Let's start with Luke. He's learning, he's getting better, but at the start of the movie he's still no match for Vader. It might be a good idea to have Luke show off a bit before his first fight with Vader. Perhaps have Luke join the rest of the team in rescuing Boba? Honestly, it might have been better to have him fight Vader in ESB along with Anakin, but unless you want to retcon that we can still fit that fight in here. Vader comes for Yoda and Sheev, and while Luke fights valiantly, he's unable to defeat the Dark Lord, and is nearly killed. Yoda sacrifices his life to distract Vader, and Luke and Sheev are able to escape. Angry both at Vader and himself, Luke nearly gives in to the Dark Side. Luckily, his friends help pull him back, with Anakin (having become more mature since his defeat at Vader's hands, and the years since) encouraging him and telling him that if he gives in, Vader's already won. Luke doesn't need the Dark Side to be strong, he's strong enough on his own.

The arc for Luke in this movie should focus on him not only growing stronger, but also growing into a better person. As Luke grows, he slowly becomes a true Jedi, a defender of the innocent, a warrior of justice. Not just that, though, he also begins to see just how grand the Force is, how amazing life is. That should be something he's been learning throughout the trilogy, and seeing how precious life is is why Vader must be stopped. Because Vader wants to bring that under his control, remake everything in his own image. When the time for the final battle comes. Luke isn't fighting Vader for revenge, he's fighting Vader to protect everyone he cares about, to save the Galaxy.

Even in the end, with all of his friends with him, Vader seems too powerful, and it might seem like all is lost. But as the ritual reaches its zenith, as the Vader reaches the height of his dark power, Luke is finally able to see the Force in its entirety, and understand. Luke calls out, and the Force answers him. From then on, the battle between Luke and Vader is not with lightsabers or other weapons, but with the Force itself. Ultimately, Luke is able to defeat Vader, because the Dark Lord stole his power, where as Luke earned it. Luke understands and works with the Force, while Vader sees it as a tool and tries to command it. Deciding to show his former enemy mercy, Luke reaches out and frees the dying Sith's spirit from the dark armor he wears, allowing him a chance to move on. With Vader defeated and the Galaxy saved, Luke lets go of his new power, and goes back to be with his friends. At the end of the movie, Luke has become so much more then he once was, and the future looks bright.

...this was a lot longer then I meant it to be. Sorry about that. I'll try and give my thoughts for arcs for the others later.

 

[HonestAbe1809]

@PunMaster Thered be potential for a bit of Alas, Poor Villain as Galen's original personality would be liberated from the Dark Side corruption. The audience would feel sorry for the promising young man who fell to evil. Just like what the prequels were trying to do with Anakin.

 

[OldNavy1988]

Here are the Classics releases so far in case anybody is lost...

Q4 1983: The Secret of NIMH, Dumbo, Alice in Wonderland
Q1 1984: Star Wars
Q2 1984: The Snow Queen
Q3 1984: The Rescuers
Q4 1984: The Empire Strikes Back, Hansel and Gretel, Rapunzel
Q1 1985: The Sword in the Stone

Here is the rumored Classics pipeline for this year...
Q2 1985: Musicana, Chanticleer or The Fox and the Hound
Q3 1985: Pinocchio
Q4 1985: Musicana, Chanticleer or The Fox and the Hound

Each release up to this point has had the "Walt Disney and You" promo immediately following the movie.

Plus, look for Coca-Cola to purchase the remaining 75% of Warner Communications with Lorimar already owning 25%.

 

[Nivek]

Plus, look for Coca-Cola to purchase the remaining 75% of Warner Communications with Lorimar already owning 25%.

So how much product placement in WB movies? would superman and batman drink coca-cola now?(would the wayne own Coca Cola Company now)?

 

[OldNavy1988]

So how much product placement in WB movies? would superman and batman drink coca-cola now?(would the wayne own Coca Cola Company now)?

I would say yes, but Supes and Bats are now at National under CBS thanks to the DC split earlier in the decade.

I'd say more likely Dirty Harry helps himself to a Coke after a lengthy shootout.

 

[OldNavy1988]

Here's what I'm thinking about for what to do with the Cable Music Channel. I'm thinking of turning it into either Headline News, VH1 or Turner Sports Entertainment. What do you guys think?

 

[Cl0wn_Dud3]

Here's what I'm thinking about for what to do with the Cable Music Channel. I'm thinking of turning it into either Headline News, VH1 or Turner Sports Entertainment. What do you guys think?

Turner Sports, save VH1 for UPN.

 

[OldNavy1988]

Media assets as of 1985

AMBLIN ENTERTAINMENT
Headquartered in Universal City, California
Industrial Light & Magic
Sprocket Systems
Amblin Computer Graphics

AMERICAN BROADCASTING COMPANY
Headquartered in Manhattan
ABC Television Network
ABC Video Enterprises
Touchstone Pictures
Hanna Barbera
ESPN
Pacific Comics
The Movie Channel (50%)
Showtime

BERKSHIRE HATHAWAY
Headquartered in Omaha, Nebraska
Coleco Inc

NOEL BLOOM ENTERPRISES
Headquartered in Los Angeles
Caballero Home Video
Celebrity Home Entertainment
Family Home Entertainment
Monterey Home Video

CAROLCO
Headquartered in Boca Raton, Florida
Carolco Pictures
Carolco Television
TriStar Pictures (33%)

COLUMBIA BROADCASTING SYSTEM
Headquartered in Manhattan
CBS Television Network
CBS Electronics
CBS Records
Columbia Pictures
National Comics
Tristar Pictures (33%)
CBS Fox Video (50%)
Magic Window (Home video label for kids)

CORMAN COMMUNICATIONS
Headquartered in Los Angeles
Grand Diamond Pictures
Grand Diamond Television
Grand Diamond Home Video
Grand Diamond Records

DISNEY ENTERPRISES INC
Dual headquarters in Burbank and Manhattan
Walt Disney Pictures
Walt Disney Television
Hyperion Pictures
Hyperion Television
Walt Disney Telecommunications and Non-Theatrical Company (Walt Disney Home Video, Hyperion Pictures Home Video)
Walt Disney Classic Animation (A squad helmed by Don Bluth)
Walt Disney Feature Animation (B squad helmed by Peter Schneider)
Walt Disney Television Animation (helmed by Margaret Loesch and Tom Ruegger)
National Broadcasting Company
NBC Home Video
Walt Disney Parks and Resorts
Walt Disney Record Label Group
Marvel Comics Group
Harvey Comics
Atari, Inc

THE DAVID GEFFEN COMPANY
Headquartered in Los Angeles
Geffen Pictures
Geffen Records

GULF+WESTERN
Headquartered in Manhattan
Paramount Pictures
Paramount Television
Paramount Home Video
Simon and Shuster
Paramount Parks
Sega
Nelvana
Madison Square Garden
New York Rangers (NHL)
New York Knicks (NBA)
Universal Paramount Network (UPN) (50%; Fall 1986)
USA Network (33%)
Nickelodeon (50%)
Video Hits One (50%; Coming Fall 1985)

HEARST ENTERTAINMENT
Headquartered in San Francisco
King Features Syndicate
Arts & Entertainment Network (A&E)
Car and Driver Magazine
Esquire Magazine
Cosmopolitan
Marie Claire (US Rights)
Popular Mechanics
Good Housekeeping
Seventeen
House Beautiful
Redbook
Town & Country

HEINEKEN CORPORATION
Headquartered in Amsterdam
Amsterdam Admirals (WFL)

HENSON ASSOCIATES
Headquartered in Manhattan
Jim Henson’s Creature Shop
Henson International Television
Muppet Home Video (Distributed by Walt Disney Home Video)

MCA
Headquartered in Universal City, California
Universal Pictures
Universal Television
MCA Home Video
MCA Records
MCA TV (Formerly Revue)
MCA Recreational Services (Theme Parks)
Nickelodeon (50%)
USA Network (33%)
Gemini Comics
Universal Gemini Animation
Universal Paramount Network (50%; Coming Fall 1986)
Video Hits One (VH1) (50%; Coming Fall 1985)

PHILIPS
Headquartered in Amsterdam
Philips Electronics
PolyGram Filmed Entertainment
PolyGram Records
Polydor Records
Mercury Records
Verve Records

THORN EMI
Headquartered in London
Thames Television
EMI Records
Capitol Records
Thorn EMI Video
London Monarchs (WFL)

TIME INC
Headquartered in Manhattan
Time Magazine
Life Magazine
Fortune Magazine
People Magazine
Money Magazine
Travel and Leisure
Sunset Magazine
Food & Wine Magazine
Sports Illustrated
Time Life Video
Time Life Books
Home Box Office
Cinemax
20th Century Fox Film Corporation
CBS Fox Video (50%)
USA Network (33%)
Playhouse Video
Key Video

TURNER BROADCASTING SYSTEM
Headquartered in Atlanta, Georgia
Superstation WTBS
Cable News Network
All American Comics
Six Flags Theme Parks
Turner Home Entertainment
Viddy Oh! For Kids
Turner Program Services
MTV
Turner Sports (Formerly the Cable Music Channel)
United Artists
Metro Goldwyn Mayer
Atlanta Thrashers (MLB)
Atlanta Hawks (NBA)
Warner Bros pre-1948 library
Paramount Popeye Cartoon library (1933-57)

LORIMAR-WARNER COMMUNICATIONS
Owned by Coca Cola (75%) and Lorimar (25%)
Headquartered in Manhattan
Warner Bros Pictures
Warner Bros Television
Warner Home Video
Lorimar Motion Pictures
Lorimar Home Video
Lorimar Television
Lorimar Records
Warner Bros Records
Elektra Records
Atlantic Records
Asylum Records
Reprise Records
Nonesuch Records
Sire Records
EC Publications
New York Cosmos (NASL)

PEPSICO
Headquartered in Purchase, NY
Pepsi Cola
Frito Lay
Taco Bell
Pizza Hut
Jack in the Box
The Movie Channel (50%)

TEMPO ENTERPRISES (Formerly Satellite Syndicated Systems)
Headquartered in Manhattan
Tempo Television (Formerly Satellite Program Network)
Tempo International (Formerly SPN International)
Special thanks to @stratonascar

INDEPENDENT
American Movie Classics
Archie Comics
Atlantic Releasing
The Cannon Group
CINAR
CineGroupe
Claster Television
Comico
Continuity Comics
DiC
Film Roman
Group W
Hemdale Film Corporation
Jay Ward Productions
Jive Records
Klasky Csupo
Kushner-Locke
The Ladd Company
Media Home Entertainment
Merv Griffin Enterprises
Mirage Studios
Miramax Films
Murakami-Wolf-Swenson
New Line Cinema
Pacific Data Images
Premavision
Program Exchange
Rankin-Bass Productions
Republic Pictures
Ruby-Spears
Saban Productions
The Samuel Goldwyn Company
The Saul Group
SFM Entertainment
Sunbow Animation
Telepictures
Troma
Worldvision Enterprises

If I'm missing anything, please let me know. Thanks.

 

[Roger Redux]

Here are the Classics releases so far in case anybody is lost...

Q4 1983: The Secret of NIMH, Dumbo, Alice in Wonderland
Q1 1984: Star Wars
Q2 1984: The Snow Queen
Q3 1984: The Rescuers
Q4 1984: The Empire Strikes Back, Hansel and Gretel, Rapunzel
Q1 1985: The Sword in the Stone

Here is the rumored Classics pipeline for this year...
Q2 1985: Musicana, Chanticleer or The Fox and the Hound
Q3 1985: Pinocchio
Q4 1985: Musicana, Chanticleer or The Fox and the Hound

Each release up to this point has had the "Walt Disney and You" promo immediately following the movie.

Plus, look for Coca-Cola to purchase the remaining 75% of Warner Communications with Lorimar already owning 25%.

Musicana was "Fantasia 2" right?
I'm thinking that Disney would be more likely to release that in Q2, and Fox and the Hound Q4.

I would say yes, but Supes and Bats are now at National under CBS thanks to the DC split earlier in the decade.

I'd say more likely Dirty Harry helps himself to a Coke after a lengthy shootout.

I thought Dirty Harry drank Colt45?

 

[OldNavy1988]

Musicana was "Fantasia 2" right?
I'm thinking that Disney would be more likely to release that in Q2, and Fox and the Hound Q4.

I thought Dirty Harry drank Colt45?

Yes, Musicana was indeed the second Fantasia.

Dirty Harry does enjoy Colt 45, but the Coke reference was meant to be a satirical rib. Guess I'm not good with those apparently.

 

[Roger Redux]

Dirty Harry does enjoy Colt 45, but the Coke reference was meant to be a satirical rib. Guess I'm not good with those apparently.

No, I got the joke.
I was just saying it'd be kind of OOC for him to drink anything but booze on screen. Sometimes I'm just too literal for my own good.

 

[OldNavy1988]

No, I got the joke.
I was just saying it'd be kind of OOC for him to drink anything but booze on screen. Sometimes I'm just too literal for my own good.

That's okay I understand.

 

[Nivek]

No, I got the joke.
I was just saying it'd be kind of OOC for him to drink anything but booze on screen. Sometimes I'm just too literal for my own good.

That's okay I understand.

A shame RR missed the joke...i will embrace our new coca cola product placement overlords..

 

[Goldwind2]

will any atempts to make a 5th tv network in the 90's. OTL Chris-Craft Industries teamed up with PArmount tv to make UPN. WITH UPN found ealry doses any body think that Chris-Craft Industries would team up with another tveslion company to launch a new network

 

[OldNavy1988]

will any atempts to make a 5th tv network in the 90's. OTL Chris-Craft Industries teamed up with PArmount tv to make UPN. WITH UPN found ealry doses any body think that Chris-Craft Industries would team up with another tveslion company to launch a new network

Currently, it is still 1985, so there will be plenty of time to think about that.