Alternate Electoral Maps II

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  1. fashbasher Florida Man! Banned

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    United States of Northern Ireland? UUP and Alliance are both parties in Norn Iron.
     
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  2. fashbasher Florida Man! Banned

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    How did they get Israel to join in?
     
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  3. MoralisticCommunist Banned

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    Yeah, that's the general idea with the Seventh Party System timeline, ever since the Conservative Revolution lead first by Nixon and later usurped by George Wallace occurred the federal government has had a substantial amount of its powers devolved to the states. Nevertheless the federal government still has firm control over interstate commerce and the military and still collects plenty of taxes to fund everything from NASA to the Post Office, so it's definitely still one country. But with pretty much all federal welfare programs having been long since erased and with the protection for civil rights not going much further than stopping blatant segregation the quality of life for people in the US varies greatly from state to state.
     
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  4. Oryxslayer Electoral Calculator

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    I forgot to mention, but Israel was dragged in based on a mixture of force and momentum. Since Israel's ally, the United States, was behind the Arab Republics formation, Israel had to go along in one way or another. Plus there was a element of realpolitik involved - would you want to remain hostile to most of your neighbors when they are all slowly united in a overwhelming force? The entry into the Arab Republic was made more acceptable by the 'resolution' presented to the Israel/Palestinian conflict, and by the extreme federalism offered by the constitution which allowed Israel to maintain its Judaism.

    That said, almost nobody in the Israeli territories like the present agreement. All four national parties believe in protecting something that was lost during National Formation through various ways. Likud sees the only way to protect Israeli rights from being sidelined and trampled is to join the government. Zionist Dream understands that Israeli rights are going to get trampled, and a new agreement is needed to protect those rights. Liberty Now! calls for independence to protect those rights. National Recognition understands that nearly everyone has now abandoned the idea of Palestine, and the recognition that was lost with the Arab Republics formation needs to be restored. Most people still think of themselves as Israeli or Palestinian rather then Arab. In that regard I kinda based Israel off of Northern Ireland, a region separate from the rest of the nation where everyone doesn't really like the national government to a varying degree.
     
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  5. Oryxslayer Electoral Calculator

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    I have always seen the seventh party system almost as a critique on parliamentary systems and politics in general. Parties betraying their values in the name of power, parties collapsing over petty disputes, coalitions between left and right wing parties in the name of personal gain, parties formed solely as a vehicle factional and personal gain, racial discrimination, racial factionalism and ostracizing, extremest parties that are enabled via the voting system, total commitment to party values over popular interest and good government, constituency population discrepancies, union and special interest over-representation, and just the general lust for power that associates multiparty parliamentary systems. Oh and the fact that things like civil rights and social security can vanish with a change of parties/coalitions thanks to there not being as many checks and balances as there are under the current american arrangement.
     
  6. Keeganc2020 Well-Known Member

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    So is the US seen by the other democracies as basicly South Africa in the 1980's.
     
  7. fashbasher Florida Man! Banned

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    TOR: The greatest troll since the American turn to proportional representation

    The election on the left is clearly based on the 2016 election; after Trump's MAGA Party demanded substantial concessions including multiple Cabinet seats, pushing a platform that was not only conservative but perilous, the center-right (led by senators Collins and Murkowski and Ohio governor Kasich) plotted a moderate revolt, even willing to work with the left opposition if needed. The map and diagrams below show TOR's route to kingmaker status. This new party - socially conservative, economically moderate to center-right, and fiercely opposed to boorishness and racism - called itself the Other Right, in opposition to both extreme neoliberalism/the Tea Party and to the crassness of the MAGA bloc.

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    Now for something a bit different:

    While tensions between Salisbury and London had been increasing throughout the 1960s as the latter sought to pressure the former to expand African franchise, the British Government's handling of the Northern Rhodesia Crisis of 1967 would create an irrevocable rift. The Southern Rhodesia Labour Party, governing as a minority reliant upon Independent MP support, acquiesced to demands to hold a referendum on Rhodesia's constitutional status in relation to the British Commonwealth. Both the "A Roll" and "B Roll" were allowed to vote at equal weighting for the referendum, though European voters still constituted well over 85% of the total share of the electorate. Many African voters, though theoretically eligible to vote, boycotted the vote in opposition to Salisbury's racial policies. Results were tabulated by district instead of parliamentary constituency. While the Southern Rhodesia Labour Party remained officially neutral on the referendum, their opposition, the Southern Rhodesia National Party and most Independents campaigned for a "For" vote in the upcoming referendum.

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    The referendum was a decisive victory for supporters of the Republic, with 59.35% of voters approving the decision to withdraw from the British Commonwealth and rename Southern Rhodesia to the "Republic of Rhodesia" with a President appointed by the Prime Minister's Cabinet as Head of State instead of the British Monarch. The six districts where Africans constituted the majority of voters voted strongly against the measure. None of these African-dominated districts saw more than 1,000 total votes cast. The only district where Europeans constituted a majority of voters to vote against the referendum was Marandellas, a stronghold of the left and home to many Jewish refugees that fled the restored German Empire ahead of the Second Great War. The "For" vote saw relations between Salisbury and London sink to new nadir in the 30 years since the African colony was granted Independence. The movement to boycott and divest from Rhodesia, originally a fringe issue at university campuses, began to pick up more mainstream acceptance.
     
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  9. Alex Richards A mapper I, from near Dar-bai. Donor

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    I'll be honest, I don't recognise a lot of these as being issues with parliamentary systems (as opposed to common critiques on proportional systems) and, well, frankly I'm not all that sure the US checks and balances actually work all that well compared to the systems implemented by other countries anyway.
     
  10. Sporian MT politics nerd

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    Does your county map in MT suggest a 2020 Montana flip? I work in MT politics and that's what it looks like.
     
  11. Calthrina950 Well-Known Member

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    Revised map of the election results by county in the Rutherford scenario. I changed percentages to more accurately reflect certain states where Rutherford got 60% or more of the vote. I used Democratic Senatorial maps from the last decade as a loose frame of reference. I think this more accurately shows the scale of his victory. I also reduced the number of counties carried by plurality, eliminating them entirely from certain states and especially, cutting down on the ones in Arkansas:

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    Also here: http://fiction.wikia.com/wiki/File:...al_election_by_county,_2016_(percentages).png
     
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  12. Thomas Johnson Banned

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    Get a new scenario, please.
     
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    I just posted this map to reflect changes that I made. It is not in your place to tell me whether or not I can do so.
     
  14. Tex Arkana Gravy for Pope 2020

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    No. If the Democrat wins all the counties Clinton won plus all the blue counties on this map, they still lose the state decisively. Plus I have 3 counties as likely to flip to Trump.
     
  15. Sporian MT politics nerd

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    You're right. I didn't see Yellowstone county and that's essentially the bellweather for the whole state.
     
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    I took statistics from the Electoral Calculus site to work out the GE results by ward and got this.

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    its so dark blue

    but there is some red there

    so

    yeah

    EDIT: Just altered it so that its in line with the proposed new boundaries for Grantham and Stamford.
     
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  17. MoralisticCommunist Banned

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    I never really thought of my series as a critique on the parliamentary system, as I personally think it can be better than the US system of government in some cases, I just intended my series to be a creative exercise in how politically diverse a semi-plausible US could get. But in making this alternate America extremely politically diverse there of course exists tons of rather unsavory parties and special interests are over represented most of the time. This doesn't mean that there aren't still lots of nicer states with some like Rhode Island and Delaware having rather mundane and tame political systems and other states like Kansas having voted out their extremist governments.

    Not really, especially since this world is a lot more multipolar with the Chinese led East Asian Prosperity Sphere being America's equal and socialist states such as Gran Colombia and the USSR still managing to survive despite American embargo even if they have been eclipsed by the Rising Sun. The only other strong democratic power that exists besides the US is the EU, which is a bit more independent, but even the Europeans still respect the US as a democratic country. As such, since there exists no equivalent to the sort of Western consensus that existed in our timeline America is simply viewed as one of the world's three superpowers and is still seen by many as a bastion of democracy in comparison to the excessively bureaucratic East Asian Prosperity Sphere and the dictatorial USSR.

    Also I'd like to thank everyone once again for all the interest you have given this series, I really appreciate it and will continue to develop the Seventh Party System timeline as I go along.
     
  18. Oryxslayer Electoral Calculator

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    You know you have created a good series when people are arguing over how to correctly interpret it. ;)

    Anyway, I was going through your old posts, and even though you have states governed by left-right coalitions, there is no true European Style Grand Coalition that keeps out significant (40+ish) minor parties, and betrays and satisfies its voters at the same time. The closest you got I think is Oregon with an upstart leftish party forming a coalition with the Republicans and New York with Business and Labour in the same Federalist blanket - though New York was designed to showcase tribalism rather then left-right cooperation. Is this simply not an option in the Seventh Party System, or have we not gotten to the state that will show this off yet? If its going to come, then I can't wait to see it.
     
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    1997 General Election if every minor party candidate who saved his deposit (i.e. won more than 5%) magically won a seat.

    The Referendum Party obviously does very well, mostly taking Shire Tory seats with a couple of Labour and Lib Dem seats into the mix (notably, Lib Dem leader Paddy Ashdown is defeated). Their Eurosceptic competitors in UKIP, however, only take a single seat, with Nigel Farage taking Salisbury. The far right also does well: the National Democrats unseat the Speaker, Betty Boothroyd, while the BNP seize Dewsbury, Bethnal Green and Bow, and Poplar and Canning Town.

    The Continuity Liberals gain Liverpool West Derby. They also saved their deposit in Bethnal Green and Bow (the only time two minor party candidates saved deposits in the same constituency) but I've given it to the BNP, who got 7.5% to the Liberals' 6.6%.

    I've grouped all the far-left parties together: Tommy Sheridan of the Scottish Socialist Alliance defeats Labour in Glasgow Pollok, expelled former Militant MP Dave Nellist wins back Coventry South, and Arthur Scargill's Socialist Labour Party wins Cardiff Central, Newport East and East Ham.

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    David.

    That's a lot of AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA David.

    David.
     
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