Jonathan1997
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Edward the iii did spend about 8 years I by fighting in Scotland I do believe that the kingdom of England have the resources to conquer the Scottish nobility.
A Thorn In The Rose: A War Of The Roses TL
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Jonathan1997
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They do not have to do it straight s way and if I remember the treaty correctly than France stated they would not fight the English for the next 20 years
The auld alliance provides a legal loophole and doing so before shit hits the fan is impossible. The crown is heavily in debt.
Jonathan1997
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Did not stop Henry V, Edward I and II and it was very common for mediaeval kings to be in debt. But I do take your point.
You have given us the hint who this figure might be, I think that after this chapter it is not certain if Jack Dee is loyal to Queen Margaret
VVD0D95
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Oooh now that’s somethingYou have given us the hint who this figure might be, I think that after this chapter it is not certain if Jack Dee is loyal to Queen Margaret
If is him as likely not really, he is just using her (and others) for provoking warYou have given us the hint who this figure might be, I think that after this chapter it is not certain if Jack Dee is loyal to Queen Margaret
Actions of the man in shadow fit him.
Or he works with Salisbury, because his action in this chapter aligns with Salisbury's goals.
Pretty unlikely as his actions had put both Warwick and Salisbury in great danger.
And many other people.
Why would he (possibly) try to frame Salisbury if he's working with Salisbury?
Exactly. I do not believe who Salisbury (or Warwick) would be either so stupid or so diabolical to be involved in that
To cause a war which Salisbury believe he would win. Salisbury is trying to push York to claim the crown.
I think both Salisbury and Warwick would be diabolical enough.
Uh, yeah, even if one believes Salisbury to be his accomplice, why would they agree to perform a sting operation on Salisbury rather than Somerset?
And both father and son were IOTL "shocked" to see York place his hand on the throne (I personally attribute this to them not having foreknowledge of this, but still), and negotiated for York to succeed Henry. So, while they definitely want to see York and his line on the throne, they probably don't want a war out of it.
Debatable.
Exactly. Plus for me neither Salisbury or Warwick was so diabolical @Zygmunt Stary. If either Neville had been involved they would NOT be the ones framed but would try to damage the reputation of Somerset or someone close to him
Yeah, but VVO in his Cecily chapter given us her talk with Salisbury when he explicitly stated that he wants York on his throne and is willing to fight over it.
But this won't prompt York to act. He would be quite happy with Somerset having damaged reputation and would remain loyal to Henry VI. Salisbury doesn't want this and is ready to frame himself in attempt to encourage York to protect him.