If the Woodvilles join the Lancastrian side and remain there, it's good news for York.
THISIf the Woodvilles join the Lancastrian side and remain there, it's good news for York.
That was exactly what they had done in OTLIf the Woodvilles join the Lancastrian side and remain there, it's good news for York.
Did they? Cuz I coulda sworn a Woodville married a Yorkist king IOTL.That was exactly what they had done in OTL
Yes, but they were loyal to Henry VI during all the War and were barely forgiven after the Yorkist victory. After that Edward married Elizabeth and everything changedDid they? Cuz I coulda sworn a Woodville married a Yorkist king IOTL.
So they didn't stay on the Lancastrian side as was my point.Yes, but they were loyal to Henry VI during all the War and were barely forgiven after the Yorkist victory. After that Edward married Elizabeth and everything changed
For what reason? They were still Lancastrians when Edward IV married ElizabethSo they didn't stay on the Lancastrian side as was my point.
Lemme get this straight. You think that the Woodvilles stayed on the Lancastrian side but acknowledge that Elizabeth Woodville married Edward IV? Sounds paradoxical to me.For what reason? They were still Lancastrians when Edward IV married Elizabeth
Well they stayed on the Lancastrian side UNTIL Edward married Elizabeth (AND that event, who depend by Edward’s will changed their side) so the Woodvilles being Lancastrian NOW is irrelevant for York (as many things can change BEFORE that choice of Edward)Lemme get this straight. You think that the Woodvilles stayed on the Lancastrian side but acknowledge that Elizabeth Woodville married Edward IV? Sounds paradoxical to me.
I think one of us has gotten confused over what the other is saying. To recap, @Kurt_Steiner said:Well they stayed on the Lancastrian side UNTIL Edward married Elizabeth (AND that event, who depend by Edward’s will changed their side) so the Woodvilles being Lancastrian NOW is irrelevant for York (as many things can change BEFORE that choice of Edward)
And you responded by saying :If the Woodvilles join the Lancastrian side and remain there, it's good news for York.
And I responded to this by saying;That was exactly what they had done in OTL
Did they? Cuz I coulda sworn a Woodville married a Yorkist king IOTL.
I was saying who Kurt_Steiner ‘s affirmation had no sense as the Woodville in OTL were Lancastrians and remained Lancastrians until after the Yorkist victory.I think one of us has gotten confused over what the other is saying. To recap, @Kurt_Steiner said:
And you responded by saying :
And I responded to this by saying;
I understood your statement as "the Woodvilles stayed on the Lancastrian side IOTL" and put forward my own contradictory claim. Is this correct? Because if so, then I stand by what I said.
Uhh, in the Towton theatre, sure. In the Tewkesbury theatre, nada. The WotR didn't end in 1464.I was saying who Kurt_Steiner ‘s affirmation had no sense as the Woodville in OTL were Lancastrians and remained Lancastrians until after the Yorkist victory.
And how them staying can that being good news for York if OTL the only reason for their switch to the Yorkist’s side was Edward’s wedding to Elizabeth (as the switch was a consequence of that match)?
Oh, well. I think Edward at that point had more than enough of Warwick (who was trying to rule him)Uhh, in the Towton theatre, sure. In the Tewkesbury theatre, nada. The WotR didn't end un 1464.
Because reasons that OTL tells us. Eg. Don't marry some random widow if marrying said widow is gonna alienate your most valuable ally.
Annnnnd there we go, finally some sense out of Margaret!The Queen took a deep breath and replied. “Because York is powerful and because he has been nothing but loyal. I might disagree with some of the things he has done, but he has worked hard to restore order to the Kingdom.”
YeahAnnnnnd there we go, finally some sense out of Margaret!
Pretty unlikelyWill it last long tho
Until they changed sides, I know. For that reason I added "and remain there".That was exactly what they had done in OTL
Will it last long tho
Being good old Maggie, I doubt it.