A Thorn In The Rose: A War Of The Roses TL

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Ooh, a decisive (of sorts) Henry VI who's reprimanding Somerset? This is gonna be interesting.

And I think Margaret ain't gonna be happy about the Elizabeth-Henry match. Oh well, atleast it leaves Maggie B free for Rutland 😈

Oh, Henry's going to be very different now after his second bout with illness.

And, Margaret may not be happy, but her husband's finally acting like a man, so she can't truly complain
 
Somerset to mere York's bootlicker.
Yeaaah; no. Not Edmund and presumably not Henry either.

And it papers over the Somerset-York feud allowing both to build up their trade links (and get richer in the process) so it's not like the Beauforts are gonna be financially starved either. Elizabeth will probably come with a good dowry and it gives Somerset's grandson a viable claim. The match is in both people's interest, the problem is their history together.
 
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York fked Somerset that way, truly and decisively fked. Elizabeth's hand is quite worthless, it doesn't give any land or riches to Henry, and Rutland/March would gain Maggie B and her lands, which would reduce Somerset to mere York's bootlicker.
Elizabeth comes with a fat dowry
 

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Somerset is York's biggest enemy, and even if York himself wanted to pay dowry, his wife would inform her brother (Salisbury) who would tell her nag her husband to cause him stop paying dowry.

And if York did that, he'd run into trouble with the King.
 
Somerset is York's biggest enemy, and even if York himself wanted to pay dowry, his wife would inform her brother (Salisbury) who would tell her nag her husband to cause him stop paying dowry.
Ain't gonna happen. Marriages between enemy houses happened all the time in the 15th century and the dowry was always paid.

And why would Salisbury nag York?
 
Because he doesn't trust Somerset and is a bit reckless
As he should.

Proof? Source? Anything to back this up? Nothing I have read about him indicates that he was reckless. And him being so (if he was so) has little bearing on him trying to convince York to not pay the dowry. Even if (and it's a large if, Salisbury isn't stupid) he tries to do so, York will reject the proposition out of hand.
 
As he should.

Proof? Source? Anything to back this up? Nothing I have read about him indicates that he was reckless. And him being so (if he was so) has little bearing on him trying to convince York to not pay the dowry. Even if (and it's a large if, Salisbury isn't stupid) he tries to do so, York will reject the proposition out of hand.

He made that impression in VVO's chapters as a guy who doesn't fear open confrontation and someone who barely was convinced to give up Glamorgan.
 
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