八紘一宇 - Hakkō Ichiu

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It would me a interesting thought experiment to see how IJN carrier aviation evolves with just Hosho and no lessons learned from Akagi/Kaga.

Not to mention, if they completed the first half of 8-8, the funds that OTL went to torpedo and Special Type DD R&D is expended.
 
The IJN retains some who believe the kantai kessen is the best route. Right now, Japan is starting to expand upon submarines and carriers as a new "frontier". They think that if they have carriers and submarines, they can power project even further, and do more damage. That's not to say there's not a fleet of battleships waiting their enemies, but they're less going for blunt force and more "hit them when they least expect it, and then come in for the kill" like a dangerous predator, I guess.

This pivot does involve scrapping some older battleships and cancelling new, ultra-expensive ones (aka you won't see the Yamato in this timeline, too expensive and too not-practical-at-all), but you will see some bad-ass carriers and submarines.

So, just like OTL USN prior to Pearl Harbor? The USN never really took carriers and subs seriously until the battleships were taken out at Pearl Harbor.

I imagine though without the obsessive need to focus on offense to make up for lack of ships because of WNT limitations, they have more pilots, reserves, and better damage control and logistics then? And more balanced designs for both ships and aircraft both. Logistics-wise at least, with better trade and relations with Britain and America, Japan should have more merchant ships available.

The Imperial Japanese Army has been experimenting with mechanized warfare in some live-practice rounds in Manchuria. There's still some issues with it because of the terrain and environment in which East Asia has a surplus of. After the war-games at Khalin Gol, the Japanese are looking to strengthen their armored divisions, while figuring out how to balance that with a strong infantry. They're far less concerned about horse cavalry these days, as it just seems to be going the way of the Dodo.

Hopefully this includes a more tactically-adept officer corps where the favored tactic isn't mass infantry charges ala the Western Front 1914.

The IJAF (which has been a separate entity now for quite some time due to the desire of IJAAF officers to separate themselves from the disloyal and uppity IJA) has been emphasizing the use of strategic bombing. They're also working on their own version of the turbojet engine to replace turboprop engines. As of 1942, Germany already has early prototypes of jet-powered fighters (Heinkel He 178 being the world's first in 1939) and bombers being worked on by Messerschmitt and other companies; while Britain has already achieved a working prototype, the Gloster E.28/39.

The IJAF engineers and Mitsubishi almost have a prototype to demonstrate to the IJAF brass, expected in April 1942.

Hopefully their fighters will be of modern, properly-designed and effective things along the lines of the Ki-61 Hien/Tony, or the Ki-84 Hayate/Frank, as opposed to the flying death trap that was the Ki-43 Hayabusa/Oscar.

Bomber-wise the IJAAF actually had a properly-designed medium bomber with the Ki-49 Donryu/Helen, though earlier models were slow and had a low bomb-load. Preferably they should have the Ki-67 Hiryuu/Peggy, which apparently was comparable to the Ju-88 in terms of performance and versatility. IJN ground-based aviation should use those planes as well, or naval variants thereof, instead of those G3M or G4M deathtraps.

It would me a interesting thought experiment to see how IJN carrier aviation evolves with just Hosho and no lessons learned from Akagi/Kaga.

Not to mention, if they completed the first half of 8-8, the funds that OTL went to torpedo and Special Type DD R&D is expended.

The Japanese are still allies with the British, they probably received help in proper carrier design. And the Long Lance torpedoes were double-edged swords, given their instability. Shorter-ranged, world-standard torpedoes are fine enough on their own, at least they won't blow up the Japanese warships at the slightest mistake.
 

Asami

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So, just like OTL USN prior to Pearl Harbor? The USN never really took carriers and subs seriously until the battleships were taken out at Pearl Harbor.

The Japanese do take them seriously, and are beginning to push in that direction, slowly reducing the reliance on pure battleship groups.

I imagine though without the obsessive need to focus on offense to make up for lack of ships because of WNT limitations, they have more pilots, reserves, and better damage control and logistics then? And more balanced designs for both ships and aircraft both. Logistics-wise at least, with better trade and relations with Britain and America, Japan should have more merchant ships available.

Yeah, Japan has an actual fully functioning navy without the trappings of concern for hitting WNT limitations. They're again, smaller than the British navy, but definitely rivaling the USN in size at this point.

Hopefully this includes a more tactically-adept officer corps where the favored tactic isn't mass infantry charges ala the Western Front 1914.

Yep, the war-exercises at Khalin Gol helped reshape Japan's military strategy after the Great War.

Hopefully their fighters will be of modern, properly-designed and effective things

They have some assistance from the RAF and USAAF to make things easier; so yes. They'll be proper quality.

Ki-67 Hiryuu/Peggy, which apparently was comparable to the Ju-88 in terms of performance and versatility. IJN ground-based aviation should use those planes as well, or naval variants thereof, instead of those G3M or G4M deathtraps.

The Ki-67 sounds like a "baseline" of Japanese bombers as Japan pivots towards jet-propelled flight. I could see the Ki-67 being Japan's core bomber for some time.
 
So, just like OTL USN prior to Pearl Harbor? The USN never really took carriers and subs seriously until the battleships were taken out at Pearl Harbor.

I imagine though without the obsessive need to focus on offense to make up for lack of ships because of WNT limitations, they have more pilots, reserves, and better damage control and logistics then? And more balanced designs for both ships and aircraft both. Logistics-wise at least, with better trade and relations with Britain and America, Japan should have more merchant ships available.



Hopefully this includes a more tactically-adept officer corps where the favored tactic isn't mass infantry charges ala the Western Front 1914.



Hopefully their fighters will be of modern, properly-designed and effective things along the lines of the Ki-61 Hien/Tony, or the Ki-84 Hayate/Frank, as opposed to the flying death trap that was the Ki-43 Hayabusa/Oscar.

Bomber-wise the IJAAF actually had a properly-designed medium bomber with the Ki-49 Donryu/Helen, though earlier models were slow and had a low bomb-load. Preferably they should have the Ki-67 Hiryuu/Peggy, which apparently was comparable to the Ju-88 in terms of performance and versatility. IJN ground-based aviation should use those planes as well, or naval variants thereof, instead of those G3M or G4M deathtraps.



The Japanese are still allies with the British, they probably received help in proper carrier design. And the Long Lance torpedoes were double-edged swords, given their instability. Shorter-ranged, world-standard torpedoes are fine enough on their own, at least they won't blow up the Japanese warships at the slightest mistake.

True, to be fair, what made the IJN torps so effective was the fact that all the interwar testing gave them actual working detonators. WNT less verse does give all the powers a lot more battlewagons than they can make do with (Japan gets to complete the Tosa and Amagi builds,less the quake writeoff, the RN gets more Admiral class, and G3s). Heavy cruiser development would probably change also given the lack of treaty constrictions.

Then again, OTL Japan had the tonnage it had by pumping close to 20% GDP I to the military, one thing not happening here, plus the IJA in this TL is actually getting decently modernized.
 
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Then again, OTL Japan had the tonnage it had by pumping close to 20% GDP I to the military, one thing not happening here, plus the IJA in this TL is actually getting decently modernized.

Pretty sure Japan here has a stronger economy, thanks to better trade links with America, Britain, and the Commonwealth, plus access to Siberian resources via the FER. They might pump less of their ATL GDP into the military, while actually putting about as much or more as the OTL empire did.
 

Thomas27

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I wonder what the Navyof the great powers will look like if there is no or less naval treaty in this TL.
Will you right about this Asami?
 
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I wonder what the Navyof the great powers will look like if there is no or less naval treaty in this TL.
Will reight about this Asami?

He already did, see?

Yeah, Japan has an actual fully functioning navy without the trappings of concern for hitting WNT limitations. They're again, smaller than the British navy, but definitely rivaling the USN in size at this point.

So the RN is still top dog, with the IJN and the USN sharing the number two spot, and I bet the KM is sulking in third place.
 

Asami

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