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  1. WI: Roman the Great lives on: surviving Regnum Rusiae vs the Mongols?

    Hello everyone. I have seen quite a few decent Galicia-Volhynia and Kyivan Rus thread on this forum, but have found none with this particular POD, which seems rather a shame to me, considering the sheer scope of possible divergences and buttefly battle fleets coming with it. So, without further...
  2. SealTheRealDeal

    Mongols turn north China Plain into steppeland?

    Was reading the Encyclopedia Brittanica page on the Mongol empire and found this bit: Does anyone here know anything more about this supposed proposal? What would this entail? Would it be as simple as destroying the irrigation systems as they did in Iran?
  3. WI: Smaller Mongol Empire - no expansion post 1227

    There's a bunch of timelines that either have no Mongol Empire at all, or an unstoppable Mongol Empire that conquers all of Europe, India, and Egypt. But what about a very plausible scenario that's not discussed too often: What if the Mongols, upon the death of Genghis Khan in 1227, decided to...
  4. The Flame that Burns Brightest: Romans, Mongols, and Black Powder

    Hey all, This thread will be where I post the first part for my TL which will span into three parts: Romans, Mongols, and Black Powder. The timeline will feature a Byzantine Empire that develops gunpowder creating a continental sized gunpowder empire in the middle ages, and eventually coming to...
  5. What if Börte was never kidnapped

    Somewhere around 1184, members of the Merkit tribal confederation kidnapped a young woman named Börte shortly after her marriage to her longtime fiancee, a Mongol man named Temüjin. Things like this happened all the time in Mongolia during the era, but this particular kidnapping proved far more...
  6. WI: Jamukha as Genghis Khan

    What many people forget is that "Genghis Khan" was not a name, but a title, and a title that could very well have been claimed by a different man. Jamukha was an ally and blood brother to Temujin, and they waged a campaign against the Merkits together. However, their differences and ambitions...
  7. Cultural effects of a Mongol Western Europe

    How would Western Europe be changed if the Mongols could conquer it? (This question of whether they could have is asked frequently enough I don't want to ask it again. Personally, I think so if Ogedei Khan didn't die, but it would have been difficult). Would greater connection to the East...
  8. Could the Russians have held off the Mongols?

    "Never invade Russia"--unless you're the Mongols (John Green) So could the Russians have stopped the Mongols, or was it too little, too late? Have any other armies successfully invaded Russia as well?
  9. No Mongols means No Tatars?

    I have this question because the languages spoken by the tatars are from the Cuman-Kipchak branch that originated from the old cuman confederation that existed in the Eurasian Steppe before the arrival of the Mongols, but independent Tatar states started to exist only after the arrival of the...
  10. kasumigenx

    Re: To Wear two crowns
    Threadmarks: Chapter 1

    Re: To Wear two crowns Richard I as Portrayed in the Movie Robinhood On December of 1194, the Duke of Austria died causing possible marriage negotiations between Eleanor of Brittany and Frederick of Austria to falter and Eleanor of Aquitaine would choose her other niece, Alice of Blois as...
  11. If not for the Tsunami would it have been a given that the Mongols would have conquered Japan?

    The second Mongol fleet had over 4000 ships and 140,000 soldiers and was the largest naval invasion until D-Day 750 years later. Is there any doubt that if not for the Tsunami that struck that the Mongols would have successfully conquered Japan? Would the Japanese resistance have been able to...
  12. kasumigenx

    The lucky marriage – Kasumigenx cut aka 13th century wars of Roses
    Threadmarks: A Boy’s death

    The lucky marriage – Kasumigenx cut A Boy’s death Freepedia Freepedia Freepedia Note: Arthur of Brittany is dead on this timeline as an infant, John thought that his crown was secure but he is mistaken
  13. AltoRegnant

    DBWI: Mongols Conquer Kievan Rus?

    Otl, the kievan rus were in the path of the mongol khans, but were able to largely survive the onslaught of the Khanates. But what if the Rus had fallen, exposing eastern europe to the hordes?
  14. WI: Börte never kidnapped

    The abduction of Börte by the Merkit is considered by many scholars to be one of the defining events in the life of Temüjin, who would later be known as Genghis Khan. These scholars contend that it moved him along the path towards becoming a conqueror. What if this kidnapping had failed, or had...
  15. Gothicus

    Mongol Byzantium

    The idea of the Mongols (or an independent Mongol warlord) taking over Constantinople, adopting Greek traditions, converting to Orthodoxy, and subsequently establishing a new Eastern Roman dynasty during the 13th century is commonly brought up, but how and when could this happen, and who could...
  16. WI: The Mongols invade Europe a year earlier

    The story that the Mongol invasion of Europe failed to reach the Atlantic because of the death of Ögedei Khan is a popular one, but I find it to be unlikely, due to the vast distances that messengers would have to travel. I'm more inclined to believe the theory that they withdrew because of...
  17. No black death

    So, the black death spread across Europe in 1300. If i've studied well, the main reason this happened was the war for Caffa in Crimea between a mongol khan and the Genoese. The mongols used corpses on catapults as chemical weapons but still lost the battle while the Ligurian survivors infected...
  18. WI: Khwarezm allies with the Mongols

    While the Mongol conquest of Khwarezm was notoriously brutal, it wasn't Genghis Khan's intention to go to war. He wanted trade, and possibly an alliance. What if he'd gotten one? How would things be different?
  19. The_Persian_Cat

    WI: Mongols had besieged Vienna?

    Hello all, During the reign of Odogei Khan, Mongol forces led by Batu Khan and Subutai won a great victory at the Battle of Mohi in 1241, and Hungary and Croatia were subjugated. Mongol forces began moving into Austria. Wiener Neustadt, located just south of Vienna, was raided in 1241. After...
  20. AHD: The Caliphate, its nature and the potentiality for Rebellion, a short discussion

    This is an introduction to a discussion to a topic that I have thought about quite often as of late. To preface, the comparison made, is one that postulates the Arab conquests and Islamic invasion as both an inheritor of sorts of some aspects of those prior, both Roman, Mesopotamian, Jewish...
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