Yes, the POD is the Cuban Missle Crisis going hot, USSR strikes first. Thank you for the feedback, I could certainly work things around.
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I also want to add that, even in the event of a Soviet first strike, the US response would still more than wipe out the Soviet Union.
It's obscene how badly we miscalculated how big the Soviet ability to strike the US in the 60s was.
Yeah, there are possible scenarios in which the US only gets one or two nukes on the lower 48 and everything from Paris to Tokyo is a charnel house. There's a book exploring the counterfactual, "When Angels Wept", which is on my "to buy eventually" list.
(Minor quibble: early 60s. By the late 60s the USSR had a decent ICBM arsenal in operation, and we were moving into MAD territory. )
Thats a really interesting take on a Cold War nuclear war. Only a few nukes hit the US, which has the power to actually harm the USSR, while most US allies are peppered with them to prepare for a soviet invasion. Plus, in that sitiation, MAD still stands since the USSR would maintain its nuclear stockpile, and the US is somewhat forced to only use tactical nukes lest they make the USSR decide to follow through with MAD and make the US glow, even if the USSR glows in kind.
Cue Eastern Europe and the USSR being a nuclear wasteland. (But not Hungary. We took Hungary off from the target list over 56.)
But thank for not nuking Mississippi, Arkansas, or Oakridge. (My family live there/live close.)
As thekingsguard, and B_Munro said, 1962 was the last time we could 'win' a nuclear war. Besides the Soviets lagging behind the West in technology and nuclear weapons, the USSR nuclear weapons and bombers was unreliable and inaccurate at this point, while the required a lot of prep time/fueling. (In 1962, the United States had 203 ICBM's, a thousand bombers, 30 Jupiter missiles in Italy, 15 in Turkey, and 60 Thor missiles in the UK.
The Soviet Union only had 36 ICBM's missiles, and just over 100 bombers.)
The end result would be the USA and Canada would survive getting a black eye, Western Europe has it teeth kick in, and the USSR/Warsaw Pact WOULD be a Nuclear Wasteland.
(The SAC would bomb every last urban center in the Soviet Union till there was nothing left to bomb.)
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Eh, nukes are deliberately detonated in air to minimize fallout (and maximize destruction), only ground detonation will fuck yo shit up (like at test sites)
Hiroshima and Nagasaki are alive and well nowadays
I'm reviving my TL Western Roman Empire in Exile (https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/the-western-roman-empire-in-exile.440144/page-4) and I made another map for it.
The year is 407AD. Britannia, northernmost province of the divided Empire of Rome, faces collapse.
In absence of the garrison stationed in the North and West of the island have been withdrawn to face Alaric, barbarian tribes from Hibernia, Caledonia and the North remain uncontested. In the South, Saxons raid the grand villas of the Roman elite, once enriched by the trade from the islands great metropolis’s: Londinium [London], Camuledunum [Colchester] and Eboracum [York]. Roman money minting has halted in its entirety.
In Gaul, large tribes of Vandals, Burgundians, Alans, and Sueves crossed the Rhenus [Rhine], overwhelming Roman defences and threatening the collapse of the Empire. The provinces of Britannia, facing separation from the mainland, revolt. Desperate for a sense of security, the Roman armies stationed in Prima elected a common soldier of significant ability for leader named after the famed fourth century emperor, Constantine.
Constantine the Great had arisen by military coup originating in Britain in 306AD. To follow his footsteps, Constantine III would cross to the continent with the remaining army of less than 125,000 men and their families, including dependents.
[POD] The crossing was a disaster.
The Roman forces met at Portus Dubrae [Dover]. Only half of the Roman army would follow Constantine out of port. The ships didn’t make it halfway before a terrible storm diverted their course. The leader found himself washed ashore at a farm near Anderida [near Folkestone]. The 30,000-remaining led by Iustinianus and Nebiogastes, appointed magistri militum by the would-be usurper, would begin to enact strict discipline for his army while Constanine lay recovering. His recovery would be slow, and his wake would be greeted with betrayal. Nebiogastes had seized control of a small army after murdering his wife and his son, Constans (whom Constantine had placed in charge of Britannia) and departed west with 15,000 men who had declared him emperor.
Constantine led his remaining army west, following the traitor to Venta Belgarum [Winchester]. The Battle would be a short and bloody victory for Constantine, who had surrounded Nebiogastes with the promise that any traitorous soldier would be allowed to re-join his ranks to be spared if they chose to fight for him. Constantine established himself in Londinium, a city of 60,000, with no where near enough men to pose a threat to the boy Honorius on the throne in Italia, but safe in the knowledge that, for now, he would not be pursued by legion while the emperor faced annihilation by Alaric’s Visigoths.
Constantine would rebuild and reorganise his army until early 408, controlling land in south of the Empires former frontier. In the North East, a Roman army matching the size of that loyal to him under the rule of a former aristocrat, Julius. Constantine knew he had to act to unite the Roman armies and usurp Honorious. Before his nomination, he and his fellow troops had killed their leaders for failing to act against the barbarian crossing of the Rhenus into the Empire.
Iustinianus knew that Julius would retreat to the natural marshlands in the north once the base of his rebellion, Camulodunon, fell to Constantine. Combatting this, he led a division of 2,000 men to secure the marshes. Half of those would march north and join a smaller division of soldiers in Maxima Caesariensis [Yorkshire] and prevent a revolt from the Brigantes.
Constantine led an army towards Camulodunon and took the city without much resistance. Julius retreated north and met Iustinianus’ division and were slaughtered at the Battle of Camboricum. Constantine had established control over the south of Britannia.
Yet the would-be usurper would not yet cross the Oceanus Britannicus [English Channel]. News soon reaches the leader in Londinium, Saxons have seized the opportunity arisen by the chaos of Britannia, invading the undefended shores of Metaris Aest [the Wash] and pushing south. The Roman garrison at Durobrivae [Castor] is defeated, leaving few towns in defence of Londinium.
As a last act to retain power, in 411 Constantine calls for magistrates to surrender wealth to him or have it lost to an overwhelming Saxon force. With this, combined with conscription for those within the city, creates enough resistance to drive Saxons north. Constantine declares the construction of forts along the undefended shores. With lack of men to invade Gaul, this act signals the leaders decision to consolidate power on the island, to retain the Roman culture of the territory still in his possession.
By 412, the Roman Empire had lost Hispania and much of Gaul. Honorius remained on the throne. Constantine is in control of 10,000 British and Roman soldiers. While chaos in the northern regions of Britannia remains, for the time being, the relative stability of the south creates no appetite for a return to the chaotic continent.
In absence of the garrison stationed in the North and West of the island have been withdrawn to face Alaric, barbarian tribes from Hibernia, Caledonia and the North remain uncontested. In the South, Saxons raid the grand villas of the Roman elite, once enriched by the trade from the islands great metropolis’s: Londinium [London], Camuledunum [Colchester] and Eboracum [York]. Roman money minting has halted in its entirety.
In Gaul, large tribes of Vandals, Burgundians, Alans, and Sueves crossed the Rhenus [Rhine], overwhelming Roman defences and threatening the collapse of the Empire. The provinces of Britannia, facing separation from the mainland, revolt. Desperate for a sense of security, the Roman armies stationed in Prima elected a common soldier of significant ability for leader named after the famed fourth century emperor, Constantine.
Constantine the Great had arisen by military coup originating in Britain in 306AD. To follow his footsteps, Constantine III would cross to the continent with the remaining army of less than 125,000 men and their families, including dependents.
[POD] The crossing was a disaster.
The Roman forces met at Portus Dubrae [Dover]. Only half of the Roman army would follow Constantine out of port. The ships didn’t make it halfway before a terrible storm diverted their course. The leader found himself washed ashore at a farm near Anderida [near Folkestone]. The 30,000-remaining led by Iustinianus and Nebiogastes, appointed magistri militum by the would-be usurper, would begin to enact strict discipline for his army while Constanine lay recovering. His recovery would be slow, and his wake would be greeted with betrayal. Nebiogastes had seized control of a small army after murdering his wife and his son, Constans (whom Constantine had placed in charge of Britannia) and departed west with 15,000 men who had declared him emperor.
Constantine led his remaining army west, following the traitor to Venta Belgarum [Winchester]. The Battle would be a short and bloody victory for Constantine, who had surrounded Nebiogastes with the promise that any traitorous soldier would be allowed to re-join his ranks to be spared if they chose to fight for him. Constantine established himself in Londinium, a city of 60,000, with no where near enough men to pose a threat to the boy Honorius on the throne in Italia, but safe in the knowledge that, for now, he would not be pursued by legion while the emperor faced annihilation by Alaric’s Visigoths.
Constantine would rebuild and reorganise his army until early 408, controlling land in south of the Empires former frontier. In the North East, a Roman army matching the size of that loyal to him under the rule of a former aristocrat, Julius. Constantine knew he had to act to unite the Roman armies and usurp Honorious. Before his nomination, he and his fellow troops had killed their leaders for failing to act against the barbarian crossing of the Rhenus into the Empire.
Iustinianus knew that Julius would retreat to the natural marshlands in the north once the base of his rebellion, Camulodunon, fell to Constantine. Combatting this, he led a division of 2,000 men to secure the marshes. Half of those would march north and join a smaller division of soldiers in Maxima Caesariensis [Yorkshire] and prevent a revolt from the Brigantes.
Constantine led an army towards Camulodunon and took the city without much resistance. Julius retreated north and met Iustinianus’ division and were slaughtered at the Battle of Camboricum. Constantine had established control over the south of Britannia.
Yet the would-be usurper would not yet cross the Oceanus Britannicus [English Channel]. News soon reaches the leader in Londinium, Saxons have seized the opportunity arisen by the chaos of Britannia, invading the undefended shores of Metaris Aest [the Wash] and pushing south. The Roman garrison at Durobrivae [Castor] is defeated, leaving few towns in defence of Londinium.
As a last act to retain power, in 411 Constantine calls for magistrates to surrender wealth to him or have it lost to an overwhelming Saxon force. With this, combined with conscription for those within the city, creates enough resistance to drive Saxons north. Constantine declares the construction of forts along the undefended shores. With lack of men to invade Gaul, this act signals the leaders decision to consolidate power on the island, to retain the Roman culture of the territory still in his possession.
By 412, the Roman Empire had lost Hispania and much of Gaul. Honorius remained on the throne. Constantine is in control of 10,000 British and Roman soldiers. While chaos in the northern regions of Britannia remains, for the time being, the relative stability of the south creates no appetite for a return to the chaotic continent.
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As others have said, this could use some reworking.
Soviet bombers were few in number, slow, and easily intercepted; their boomers were loud, slow, and the US mostly knew where they were; their few ICBM’s were extremely slow to fuel and launch and we knew where those were too.
Every single warhead delivered by any of those means was unreliable, to boot.
The USSR, even in an unprovoked first strike scenario, would be doing well to hit a third of what it’s shown here, mostly located on the coasts and NE/NW. I would expect that Toronto, NYC, Detroit, and D.C. are the only highly likely targets because of what was targeting them.
Actually, no timeline yet. I'll be posting it soon (2-4 weeks)!
Civil War in Post-Russian Antarctica (1921)
The base map was created by @Gian, and used with their permission.
The timeline this map is based in is Devon Moore's The Great White South, and can be found here at Alternative History Wikia.
None of the writing and graphics I post in relation to the Great White South are canonical, but do have his approval to be posted.
Lead by General Sergey Gavrilov, who initiated the Continental Assembly just a year prior, the proto-fascist Front for National Salvation seizes the Assembly and indeed the entirety of Lake Vostok and ever outwards, considering the Provisional Governorates puppets of the Allied Invaders. Speaking of, they've cleared out the communist forces in the Ross Gulf, but have been pushed back substantially in Krannkush Governorate by native Ognian partisans. Yuzhnaya Zemlya is completely captured by Red Army forces, and might soon be receiving relief from Moscow once again.
The base map was created by @Gian, and used with their permission.
The timeline this map is based in is Devon Moore's The Great White South, and can be found here at Alternative History Wikia.
None of the writing and graphics I post in relation to the Great White South are canonical, but do have his approval to be posted.
Notes:
1) Things are actually calming down in Lazarevsk, though in the countryside there's still occasional skirmishes between remaining Russian loyalists
2) The KLA (Krannkush Liberation Army) is tearing apart the frail Russian-Majority government that remains, and burning down the settlements of Maori deported from the East decades prior
3) The Provisional Governorates have returned to Novopetrograd, but are scrambling to put up any defensive against the FNS
4) Vostok, on Lake Vostok is the current capital of what is coming to be called Bellinsgauzenia, named for the man who discovered Antarctica (for the Europeans)
5) No those are not British settlers, just... uhh... repair crews!
Below 60 Degrees South...
Russian Civil War in Antarctica (1918)
Russian Civil War in Antarctica (1919)
Civil War in Post-Russian Antarctica (1920)
Civil War in Post-Russian Antarctica (1921) (you are here)
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Someone threw NZ at a wall so hard it splatted!
Went ahead and added fictional state to the US in my ever-ongoing "imaginary places" map WIP.
Here is a downer; 2015 North Korea and the Islamic State - ISOTed to a virgin earth
100 years later
100 years later
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It sucks for the poor schmucks who live there, but isn't this objectively a very good thing? They're cut off from the rest of the world forever, they can't hurt anyone else (because there is no-one else) and the "mainline" world is rid of these lunatics without any effort. Thanks, ASB! You did us a solid!
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