I'm really not sure what your problem is: what edition of MS Paint are you using? Do you save in .png format?
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I'm really not sure what your problem is: what edition of MS Paint are you using? Do you save in .png format?
Image dump consisting of seven unrelated maps to follow.....
1) Bull Moose
In this world, Theodore Roosevelt smashed the two-party system in 1912, lead the United States through World War I (known here as the Great European War), and worked with former political opponents to create a League of Nations with American involvement. The 1920s see a brief genuine three party system, but after crash on Wall Street (here in '31 instead of '29), the Progressives win big and finally push the Republicans to a still-functioning-in-some-local-districts third place. After the Great Global War, against *Fascist France + Italy, Japan, and the Soviet Union (a much longer struggle than in our world but without anything as awful as the holocaust), the Democratic Party is able to make a comeback as the face of strong promotion of U.S. Democracy and Freedom (TM) abroad.
To win again, the Republicans and Progressives work in the late '50s into a coalition. They are joined by a new political party in the '60s -the Liberationists- which champion racial integration and government intervention but is pretty socially conservative (by 2016, the Liberationist Party's leaders are mostly Black Pastors). While all three parties are much leftier than any political party in our U.S., they focus regionally and agree not to run candidates in eachother's states. They agree to support in the electoral college whichever of their three candidates wins the most electoral votes (Democrats since the four term Presidency of Joseph Kennedy have begun idolizing unity as a reaction).
In 2016, the Democrats are able to win unexpectably strongly. The Liberationist Party has struggled to incorporate Latinos, and many whites are slowly abandoning the party- its allies worry that it will turn into party of Identity politics for Blacks. As economic issues lose ground to the culture wars, the three party coalition is unable to deliver a coherent message, in contrast to the loud and proud Patriotic duties of Americans advocated for by the Democratic candidate.
(Hawai'i is an independent country, and Alaska has a special non-state status)
2)A Romantic Dream
A fantastical world steeped in Romanticist and 18th and 19th century Nationalist and Racialist psuedo-histiography. The presence of different human races are an observeable fact here rather than a constructed reality, with the races corresponding closely to linguistic groups of our world (since culture takes a backseat here, religion and language aren't really something you can "change,"). Magic comes from nature and racial purity/precise racial mixings (Celts derive their magical power from meadows and rainbows, Germanics from thunder and lightening, Jews use gold for mindcontrol and illusion-casting). Britain's Celts (modeled on those in the famous Romantic-era historical fraud 'Ossian') defend their home isles against the ever-growing Roman Empire, ruled by a self-declared "King of the World" (which acts as a stand-in for Industrialization/Capitalism/ Race-mixing). While their closer alliance with Germanic peoples may come back to haunt them in the long run, it is their de-facto alliance with the opportunistic Huns (savage ape-men with hooked teeth and ochre colored eyes with Fu-Manchu moustaches) who now may benefit from the conflict who cause the Celts the most concern. Further on the edges of the known world, India's Brahmins mantain their racial magic with an ornate caste system, and a lost Phonecian colony grows rich by discovering King Solomon's mines.
3) A Thousand Years Hence
A Thousand years from now, in a future where computers as intertwined with humanity as bacteria is now, surprisingly little has actually changed about human nature. Energy is supplied from solar panels the size of planets, but energy demand is fast outgrowing supply nonetheless. China (and vassals covering all of Asia except for India and Japan) is, as was the case for the thousand years before Colombus, sitting pretty for so long than few think anything of it other than that it is the natural global leader. In the last few centuries, the small bit of nostalgia for the old United States has crept up into a larger movement, though it remains more about the political ideals and aesthetics of 20th and 21st century America than about actual reunification. For all its larger size and success as a great power in previous centuries, Mexico is back to where it was at the beginning of the millenia and is once again poorer relative to its northern neighbours. Languages have changed and wildly evolved; while China uses exclusively uses Pinyin, Texas uses a new syllabery (although the spoken form of its language is still intelligable across the entirety of the former lower 48 states). Religion is still around, though wars over it haven't happened in centuries, and despite living for 200 years sometimes people have become remarkably willing to change their beliefs over time (North America being home to what some consider to be the major exception to the rule of course, the Pyramidists).
4) The United Realms of Gwoboroh
On a parallel Earth, history diverged from that of our world roughly ten thousand years ago. Eurasian horses are harder to domesticate, more easily scared, and less generally suited for warfare (given the greater expense in using them, marauding armies often have to dismount and walk on foot to battlefield). Although Sumerian and subsequently Egyptian and Mesopotamian history was much the same, the Indo-European expansion has been vastly slower- it took until the formation of the chariot for their expansion to really get off the ground. Ultimately, state-building and agriculture actually reached western Europe via trade with over the Mediterranean with Egyptian and Levantine peoples, resulting in a Basque people (the first receivers of this) spreading out, and a general frontier of Indo-European cultures on one side of the continent and Basque cultures on the other gradually melded into one. Civilization developed, but trade was limited; knowledge of China (itself vastly different and more often warring states rather than an empire) barely progressed from mythology. In the land of Perastgiya (Greece) a mystical philosophy based worldview, describing the universe has made up of a decaying, tangible substance, and pure, unperceivable, holy and good substance became a religion and spread throughout the continenent. Although initially similar to Plato's Theory of Forms, this faith, worshipping an all-present but completely non-personified divinity, also came to resemble Star Wars' Jedi religion, complete with its own theological and sometimes militant orders.
On the other side of the world, the camel was domesticated twice- first by the Mississippians and then by the much more populous Mesoamericans. The two civilizations would trade on camel-driven caravans far across the south-western deserts far more than our world's African and European civilizations traded across the Sahara. Eventually though, as business profits held greater sway in decision making, ship-building began to outcompete the caravan routes. This would have dramatic consequences for world history.....
The colonization of the Eastern hemisphere by the Western hemisphere was not quite as lopsidded as the reverse was in our world. True, Eurasia remained at best at roughly the technological level of our world's Rome (even around 2000 A.D. when the Westerners came). But there were no mass die offs of natives. Australia and South Africa were rather repopulated as in our world (but by Native Americans of course), and large parts of the Eastern hemisphere were ruled even after colonization by small groups of the colonizers' descendants (without a coherent racial ideology of their own though, such states often slowly opened up to majority rule as every greater numbers of mixed-race offspring entered elite circles). But not all of the Eastern Hemisphere was colonized; Mocha (most of the Italian peninsula, speaking a language descended from ancient Canaanite colonists in Sicily) and Lichba (in the Baltics) both successfully pulled off Ethiopias. The majority of the Middle East was uncolonized, until realization of oil's true value lead to a realpolitik agreement between Ameridian powers that would make Sykes and Picot blush. Much of the African interior and deep steppe interior of Eurasia was left untouched entirely however; there remains to this day considerable disagreement over the legitimate governments of such areas that many map-makers continue to leave regions of the world blank.
Unlike the Middle East, which violently throw off the chains of colonization, imperialism, and slavery in a rebellion of religious frenzy in which natives believed that their God-Kings (the 'Lugals') would return to the Earth and throw the colonizers out, Gwoboroh achieved indepencence and majority rule peacefully and quickly. Unlike Kakai (Eastern Asia) Gwoboroh had strong cultural ties among its various member areas other than those created by colonization. Today it is a democracy. A relative inward-looking nation, it could playing a much larger role in international politics than it does. Part of the problem may be that it has poor relations with most of its neighbours, and has not pursued a strategy of alliance-formation with other powers.
6) Stroke
Something crazy I made on a hot day. A cookie to whoever figures out what the names have in common.
7) Cosmozations
In the far future, humanity had long been at peace. Human life has been scrapping against a post-scarcity world for so long that generations have not experienced hunger. The nation-state at last gradually faded from memory, not ending in war (well, at least not ending that way in most places) but by the gradual reemergence of deal-making between ever specialized mega-cities and ever specialized country-sides. Contact with extraterrials proved that the universe runs on trade, with war and conquest being the exception rather than the rule. The future, by the year 6,000 A.D., it seems is a Libertarian paradise of high tech democratic city-states and citizens able to move freely between them at relative ease.
Over time, as has happened on countless other worlds and as was predicted to occur on Earth by extraterrials, a bureacracy developed connecting these cities. Networks, formal and informal, overlapped and grew larger. Gradually, ever larger and larger networks formed with the assumption that following negotiations all of the world would be on a single system. The death knell for the previous global order was the demise of the metric system and of 'Modern Standard English' (an artificial language bearing a striking resemblance to English spoken 8,000 years ago, kept on as a lingua franca of all) as the networks in Africa and Oceania abandoned both, and the Western Hemisphere and Eurasian networks' versions diverged. After nuclear war was narrowly avoided, humanity's home world was firmly divided along arbitrary boundaries again. Unlike almost every other planet, the four 'cosmozations' (as they are more than states, and still somewhat informal in their fullest forms) of Earth explore the universe and interact with other worlds as seperate entities. Each contains at least half a dozen distinct 'civilizations' (plenty of which did not exist 8,000 years ago or are mixtures of ones which did).
Though religion, nationalism, and many other divisions of humanity have faded away, loyalty to one's cosmozation has turned up to an unprecendented fervor (and that's before you add in the government-induced mind control or genetic breeding to favor subservience, depending on your cozmozation of course). Sub-Saharan Africa for instance has adopted an ideology of Afro-Centrism (although this includes the descendents of the Boers and Arabs, who by this point in the future are very much natives of the continent) using a language descended from Swahili, but written phonetically in Geez, and has some leaders calling for the militant conquest of North Africa. It itself is sometimes a buffer between the Afro-Eurasian Cosmozation and the Western Hemisphere Cosmozation; although the Afro-Eurasians have long regarded themselves as the natural unifiers of mankind, the Western continents are busy playing an extraordinary game of catch-up- though their Prime Ministers have at times emulated the style of the Afro-Eurasian Prime Ministers, there is a sense in the West that Westerners can outdo Afro-Eurasians at their own game.
(The cosmozations aren't actually unified countries or even states; they're actually somewhat loosely defined collections of thousands of networked territories. Rarely is any one city politically aligned with all of the other cities of its cosmozation. Nor is there any hard membership or grouping- the cosmozations are in effect constructed, much like our world's concepts of "the First World" or "the Muslim World." There are however stark cut-offs between cosmozations.)
As such, Earth is the laughing stock of the galaxy- one of the few planets with distinct boundaries of political control. It is perpetually prepared for war, though the logic of mutually assured destruction (not \of nukes but of EMP-type weapons which will kill computers and render territory unusable for thousands of years to all but stone age dwellers) has held steady for a thousand years at this point. Far enough away from human colonies across space though, and its outright war. There is somewhat of a detente among the smaller three cosmozations against the traditional most substantial power, the Afro-Eurasian Command. Oceania is in the tightest spot and is the most reliant on extraterrestrial technological support (indeed, it too has abandoned Modern Standard English for a version of Bahasa written in an extraterrestrial script, never-mind that script's poor suitability for human words).
1) Bull Moose
In this world, Theodore Roosevelt smashed the two-party system in 1912, lead the United States through World War I (known here as the Great European War), and worked with former political opponents to create a League of Nations with American involvement. The 1920s see a brief genuine three party system, but after crash on Wall Street (here in '31 instead of '29), the Progressives win big and finally push the Republicans to a still-functioning-in-some-local-districts third place. After the Great Global War, against *Fascist France + Italy, Japan, and the Soviet Union (a much longer struggle than in our world but without anything as awful as the holocaust), the Democratic Party is able to make a comeback as the face of strong promotion of U.S. Democracy and Freedom (TM) abroad.
To win again, the Republicans and Progressives work in the late '50s into a coalition. They are joined by a new political party in the '60s -the Liberationists- which champion racial integration and government intervention but is pretty socially conservative (by 2016, the Liberationist Party's leaders are mostly Black Pastors). While all three parties are much leftier than any political party in our U.S., they focus regionally and agree not to run candidates in eachother's states. They agree to support in the electoral college whichever of their three candidates wins the most electoral votes (Democrats since the four term Presidency of Joseph Kennedy have begun idolizing unity as a reaction).
In 2016, the Democrats are able to win unexpectably strongly. The Liberationist Party has struggled to incorporate Latinos, and many whites are slowly abandoning the party- its allies worry that it will turn into party of Identity politics for Blacks. As economic issues lose ground to the culture wars, the three party coalition is unable to deliver a coherent message, in contrast to the loud and proud Patriotic duties of Americans advocated for by the Democratic candidate.
(Hawai'i is an independent country, and Alaska has a special non-state status)
2)A Romantic Dream
A fantastical world steeped in Romanticist and 18th and 19th century Nationalist and Racialist psuedo-histiography. The presence of different human races are an observeable fact here rather than a constructed reality, with the races corresponding closely to linguistic groups of our world (since culture takes a backseat here, religion and language aren't really something you can "change,"). Magic comes from nature and racial purity/precise racial mixings (Celts derive their magical power from meadows and rainbows, Germanics from thunder and lightening, Jews use gold for mindcontrol and illusion-casting). Britain's Celts (modeled on those in the famous Romantic-era historical fraud 'Ossian') defend their home isles against the ever-growing Roman Empire, ruled by a self-declared "King of the World" (which acts as a stand-in for Industrialization/Capitalism/ Race-mixing). While their closer alliance with Germanic peoples may come back to haunt them in the long run, it is their de-facto alliance with the opportunistic Huns (savage ape-men with hooked teeth and ochre colored eyes with Fu-Manchu moustaches) who now may benefit from the conflict who cause the Celts the most concern. Further on the edges of the known world, India's Brahmins mantain their racial magic with an ornate caste system, and a lost Phonecian colony grows rich by discovering King Solomon's mines.
3) A Thousand Years Hence
A Thousand years from now, in a future where computers as intertwined with humanity as bacteria is now, surprisingly little has actually changed about human nature. Energy is supplied from solar panels the size of planets, but energy demand is fast outgrowing supply nonetheless. China (and vassals covering all of Asia except for India and Japan) is, as was the case for the thousand years before Colombus, sitting pretty for so long than few think anything of it other than that it is the natural global leader. In the last few centuries, the small bit of nostalgia for the old United States has crept up into a larger movement, though it remains more about the political ideals and aesthetics of 20th and 21st century America than about actual reunification. For all its larger size and success as a great power in previous centuries, Mexico is back to where it was at the beginning of the millenia and is once again poorer relative to its northern neighbours. Languages have changed and wildly evolved; while China uses exclusively uses Pinyin, Texas uses a new syllabery (although the spoken form of its language is still intelligable across the entirety of the former lower 48 states). Religion is still around, though wars over it haven't happened in centuries, and despite living for 200 years sometimes people have become remarkably willing to change their beliefs over time (North America being home to what some consider to be the major exception to the rule of course, the Pyramidists).
4) The United Realms of Gwoboroh
On a parallel Earth, history diverged from that of our world roughly ten thousand years ago. Eurasian horses are harder to domesticate, more easily scared, and less generally suited for warfare (given the greater expense in using them, marauding armies often have to dismount and walk on foot to battlefield). Although Sumerian and subsequently Egyptian and Mesopotamian history was much the same, the Indo-European expansion has been vastly slower- it took until the formation of the chariot for their expansion to really get off the ground. Ultimately, state-building and agriculture actually reached western Europe via trade with over the Mediterranean with Egyptian and Levantine peoples, resulting in a Basque people (the first receivers of this) spreading out, and a general frontier of Indo-European cultures on one side of the continent and Basque cultures on the other gradually melded into one. Civilization developed, but trade was limited; knowledge of China (itself vastly different and more often warring states rather than an empire) barely progressed from mythology. In the land of Perastgiya (Greece) a mystical philosophy based worldview, describing the universe has made up of a decaying, tangible substance, and pure, unperceivable, holy and good substance became a religion and spread throughout the continenent. Although initially similar to Plato's Theory of Forms, this faith, worshipping an all-present but completely non-personified divinity, also came to resemble Star Wars' Jedi religion, complete with its own theological and sometimes militant orders.
On the other side of the world, the camel was domesticated twice- first by the Mississippians and then by the much more populous Mesoamericans. The two civilizations would trade on camel-driven caravans far across the south-western deserts far more than our world's African and European civilizations traded across the Sahara. Eventually though, as business profits held greater sway in decision making, ship-building began to outcompete the caravan routes. This would have dramatic consequences for world history.....
The colonization of the Eastern hemisphere by the Western hemisphere was not quite as lopsidded as the reverse was in our world. True, Eurasia remained at best at roughly the technological level of our world's Rome (even around 2000 A.D. when the Westerners came). But there were no mass die offs of natives. Australia and South Africa were rather repopulated as in our world (but by Native Americans of course), and large parts of the Eastern hemisphere were ruled even after colonization by small groups of the colonizers' descendants (without a coherent racial ideology of their own though, such states often slowly opened up to majority rule as every greater numbers of mixed-race offspring entered elite circles). But not all of the Eastern Hemisphere was colonized; Mocha (most of the Italian peninsula, speaking a language descended from ancient Canaanite colonists in Sicily) and Lichba (in the Baltics) both successfully pulled off Ethiopias. The majority of the Middle East was uncolonized, until realization of oil's true value lead to a realpolitik agreement between Ameridian powers that would make Sykes and Picot blush. Much of the African interior and deep steppe interior of Eurasia was left untouched entirely however; there remains to this day considerable disagreement over the legitimate governments of such areas that many map-makers continue to leave regions of the world blank.
Unlike the Middle East, which violently throw off the chains of colonization, imperialism, and slavery in a rebellion of religious frenzy in which natives believed that their God-Kings (the 'Lugals') would return to the Earth and throw the colonizers out, Gwoboroh achieved indepencence and majority rule peacefully and quickly. Unlike Kakai (Eastern Asia) Gwoboroh had strong cultural ties among its various member areas other than those created by colonization. Today it is a democracy. A relative inward-looking nation, it could playing a much larger role in international politics than it does. Part of the problem may be that it has poor relations with most of its neighbours, and has not pursued a strategy of alliance-formation with other powers.
6) Stroke
Something crazy I made on a hot day. A cookie to whoever figures out what the names have in common.
7) Cosmozations
In the far future, humanity had long been at peace. Human life has been scrapping against a post-scarcity world for so long that generations have not experienced hunger. The nation-state at last gradually faded from memory, not ending in war (well, at least not ending that way in most places) but by the gradual reemergence of deal-making between ever specialized mega-cities and ever specialized country-sides. Contact with extraterrials proved that the universe runs on trade, with war and conquest being the exception rather than the rule. The future, by the year 6,000 A.D., it seems is a Libertarian paradise of high tech democratic city-states and citizens able to move freely between them at relative ease.
Over time, as has happened on countless other worlds and as was predicted to occur on Earth by extraterrials, a bureacracy developed connecting these cities. Networks, formal and informal, overlapped and grew larger. Gradually, ever larger and larger networks formed with the assumption that following negotiations all of the world would be on a single system. The death knell for the previous global order was the demise of the metric system and of 'Modern Standard English' (an artificial language bearing a striking resemblance to English spoken 8,000 years ago, kept on as a lingua franca of all) as the networks in Africa and Oceania abandoned both, and the Western Hemisphere and Eurasian networks' versions diverged. After nuclear war was narrowly avoided, humanity's home world was firmly divided along arbitrary boundaries again. Unlike almost every other planet, the four 'cosmozations' (as they are more than states, and still somewhat informal in their fullest forms) of Earth explore the universe and interact with other worlds as seperate entities. Each contains at least half a dozen distinct 'civilizations' (plenty of which did not exist 8,000 years ago or are mixtures of ones which did).
Though religion, nationalism, and many other divisions of humanity have faded away, loyalty to one's cosmozation has turned up to an unprecendented fervor (and that's before you add in the government-induced mind control or genetic breeding to favor subservience, depending on your cozmozation of course). Sub-Saharan Africa for instance has adopted an ideology of Afro-Centrism (although this includes the descendents of the Boers and Arabs, who by this point in the future are very much natives of the continent) using a language descended from Swahili, but written phonetically in Geez, and has some leaders calling for the militant conquest of North Africa. It itself is sometimes a buffer between the Afro-Eurasian Cosmozation and the Western Hemisphere Cosmozation; although the Afro-Eurasians have long regarded themselves as the natural unifiers of mankind, the Western continents are busy playing an extraordinary game of catch-up- though their Prime Ministers have at times emulated the style of the Afro-Eurasian Prime Ministers, there is a sense in the West that Westerners can outdo Afro-Eurasians at their own game.
(The cosmozations aren't actually unified countries or even states; they're actually somewhat loosely defined collections of thousands of networked territories. Rarely is any one city politically aligned with all of the other cities of its cosmozation. Nor is there any hard membership or grouping- the cosmozations are in effect constructed, much like our world's concepts of "the First World" or "the Muslim World." There are however stark cut-offs between cosmozations.)
As such, Earth is the laughing stock of the galaxy- one of the few planets with distinct boundaries of political control. It is perpetually prepared for war, though the logic of mutually assured destruction (not \of nukes but of EMP-type weapons which will kill computers and render territory unusable for thousands of years to all but stone age dwellers) has held steady for a thousand years at this point. Far enough away from human colonies across space though, and its outright war. There is somewhat of a detente among the smaller three cosmozations against the traditional most substantial power, the Afro-Eurasian Command. Oceania is in the tightest spot and is the most reliant on extraterrestrial technological support (indeed, it too has abandoned Modern Standard English for a version of Bahasa written in an extraterrestrial script, never-mind that script's poor suitability for human words).
I do save it as a PNG. I’ll have to get back to you on the MS Paint edition, though.
And once again Goliath shows 500% the imagination of most AH mappers. Really want to see some world maps for #3 and #4
#1 - The Democrats really were the party of White Power in our world, at least in the South, before Johnson and his successors forced the exodus to the Republicans. How did that resolve itself here?
#2 - a world where racist stereotypes are based in physical reality? That's treading on risky ground...
#6 - something something Esperanto?
So human civilization was broken apart by metrication?
Something crazy I made on a hot day. A cookie to whoever figures out what the names have in common.
It's all conlangs. Some of these are best guesses, but:
Kuniĝo - Esperanto for "coming together"
jbovlaste - Lojban for... "Lojban dictionary"
Republica - ???? could be any vaguely romance auxlang
Diacono - Interlingua for "deacon"
Dominaco - ???? might be ido
Cdid-Pjob - ????
Sitetei - ????
Angregilanda - ???
Tat - Volapük for "state"
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Isaac Beach
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Just a wee idea I've had in the midst of making various Darceny related content. Here are some popular tropes in their world's version of alternate history, which they call 'Tempus Vario' -Varied time-, or 'Vario' for short.
1. The Kingdom of Anhliya.
On top we have three iterations in varying plausibility of the Kingdom of Anhliya. The Anhliya Rebellion was the last hurrah of the Slavic lords on Pretan's east coast that had once formed a powerful martial caste that necessarily dictated the politics of the entire island, however as the Celtic Kings of Deva (OTL Chester) grew in sophistication and population the Slavs became marginalized and were finally brought to heel at the turn of the 13th Century AD with the conclusion of the Rebellion. As such it is popular for some varioturs, particularly from Slavic Cheganny and Belcascza (OTL Germany and northern France), to imagine what a successful Rebellion would result in.
a. The most conservative and realistic of those Slavic kingdoms envisaged, this constitutes the core of the Rebellion and held out for a number of years. Had they perhaps foreign aid or more organization (as the Rebellion was marked by not insignificant infighting among the Slavs themselves) this small kingdom might have gained it's independence.
b. The fullest extent of the Rebellion, this marked the high point for the Slavs before the Siege (and later Razing) of Wonda (London) essentially vanquished the rebellion in the south of the island. It is very implausible, albeit not ASB. It would require very contrived circumstances for this to arise.
c. The most ASB and completely unlikely scenario, often asserted by Slavic nationalists. The primary problem with this version of the Kingdom of Anhliya is that Slavs have never had a significant presence in the west of the island, and so establishing this kingdom would require either a lot of migration or a lot of ethnic cleansing.
2. Surviving Crusader States.
In the 1220s there was a Morean Crusade, in which the Orthodox alliance of Armenia, Anatolia, Sicily and Tarragon (later Espanja) invaded the Germanic principates in the Balkans as well as Byzanthus. They were very successful initially and managed to retake Byzanthus and drive the Germans out of the southern Balkans, establishing the Kingdoms of Morea, Macedonia, Serbia, Bel Lione and Dalmatia, whilst Anatolia annexed Thrace. However these would not last the century and all but Bel Lione, with tricky geography and Morea on the Peloponnese, soon fell to Germanic reconquest. Anatolia was completely extricated from Thrace and Byzanthus was retaken by the Germans. It is thus popular among some Anatolians, Armenians and Romantic-Römisch (Sicily was conquered by it's Germanic northern neighbour) to imagine what it might be like had the crusader states held out against the Germans.
This isn't an entirely realistic prospect, as only Bel Lione and Morea succeeded in effectively Latinizing or Hellenizing their respective populations and this after several centuries of uninterrupted rule. But it isn't impossible, it would just require the states in question rolling sixes for a few centuries.
3. Espanjan Mediteranean and Surviving Sicily.
Sicily was invaded and conquered shortly after the Morean Crusade by their northerly neighbour, Röm. The Crusade had resulted in the deaths of thousands of noblemen and the bankruptcy of the state. Smelling weakness, the Römisch saw this as an opportune time to conquer the last Latin kingdom in Italy. They were quite successful. Later, in the 1400s, the then King of Corsica, subservient to Espanja, died childless. This resulted in the throne defaulting through a complex mess of extinct lines until it fell into the hands of a Römisch lord. The King of Röm took this as a casus belli to invade the islands of Corsica and Sardinia. Although Espanja put up a decent fight, it was in the middle of it's own interregnum and as something of an imperial federation many wayward princes had no interest in fighting for some islands they had no stake in, particularly as they explored transatlantic colonization. So Espanja lost, and the islands were ceded to Röm.
Unlike the other tropes, this one isn't that implausible. Defending Sicily wouldn't actually be that problematic had there been more able commanders defending the passes into the country; and it would only take a slightly more assertive War Council to effectively defend Corsica. This is because in both time periods Röm was more or less evenly matched with the opposing state, and it was only by the brilliance of some commanders and the incompetence of others that the two Latin states lost out. Had different people been in different roles, it is actually plausible that Sicily would still exist and Espanja would retain Corsica. As such it is quite the subject of discussion among varioturs and actual historians.
1. The Kingdom of Anhliya.
On top we have three iterations in varying plausibility of the Kingdom of Anhliya. The Anhliya Rebellion was the last hurrah of the Slavic lords on Pretan's east coast that had once formed a powerful martial caste that necessarily dictated the politics of the entire island, however as the Celtic Kings of Deva (OTL Chester) grew in sophistication and population the Slavs became marginalized and were finally brought to heel at the turn of the 13th Century AD with the conclusion of the Rebellion. As such it is popular for some varioturs, particularly from Slavic Cheganny and Belcascza (OTL Germany and northern France), to imagine what a successful Rebellion would result in.
a. The most conservative and realistic of those Slavic kingdoms envisaged, this constitutes the core of the Rebellion and held out for a number of years. Had they perhaps foreign aid or more organization (as the Rebellion was marked by not insignificant infighting among the Slavs themselves) this small kingdom might have gained it's independence.
b. The fullest extent of the Rebellion, this marked the high point for the Slavs before the Siege (and later Razing) of Wonda (London) essentially vanquished the rebellion in the south of the island. It is very implausible, albeit not ASB. It would require very contrived circumstances for this to arise.
c. The most ASB and completely unlikely scenario, often asserted by Slavic nationalists. The primary problem with this version of the Kingdom of Anhliya is that Slavs have never had a significant presence in the west of the island, and so establishing this kingdom would require either a lot of migration or a lot of ethnic cleansing.
2. Surviving Crusader States.
In the 1220s there was a Morean Crusade, in which the Orthodox alliance of Armenia, Anatolia, Sicily and Tarragon (later Espanja) invaded the Germanic principates in the Balkans as well as Byzanthus. They were very successful initially and managed to retake Byzanthus and drive the Germans out of the southern Balkans, establishing the Kingdoms of Morea, Macedonia, Serbia, Bel Lione and Dalmatia, whilst Anatolia annexed Thrace. However these would not last the century and all but Bel Lione, with tricky geography and Morea on the Peloponnese, soon fell to Germanic reconquest. Anatolia was completely extricated from Thrace and Byzanthus was retaken by the Germans. It is thus popular among some Anatolians, Armenians and Romantic-Römisch (Sicily was conquered by it's Germanic northern neighbour) to imagine what it might be like had the crusader states held out against the Germans.
This isn't an entirely realistic prospect, as only Bel Lione and Morea succeeded in effectively Latinizing or Hellenizing their respective populations and this after several centuries of uninterrupted rule. But it isn't impossible, it would just require the states in question rolling sixes for a few centuries.
3. Espanjan Mediteranean and Surviving Sicily.
Sicily was invaded and conquered shortly after the Morean Crusade by their northerly neighbour, Röm. The Crusade had resulted in the deaths of thousands of noblemen and the bankruptcy of the state. Smelling weakness, the Römisch saw this as an opportune time to conquer the last Latin kingdom in Italy. They were quite successful. Later, in the 1400s, the then King of Corsica, subservient to Espanja, died childless. This resulted in the throne defaulting through a complex mess of extinct lines until it fell into the hands of a Römisch lord. The King of Röm took this as a casus belli to invade the islands of Corsica and Sardinia. Although Espanja put up a decent fight, it was in the middle of it's own interregnum and as something of an imperial federation many wayward princes had no interest in fighting for some islands they had no stake in, particularly as they explored transatlantic colonization. So Espanja lost, and the islands were ceded to Röm.
Unlike the other tropes, this one isn't that implausible. Defending Sicily wouldn't actually be that problematic had there been more able commanders defending the passes into the country; and it would only take a slightly more assertive War Council to effectively defend Corsica. This is because in both time periods Röm was more or less evenly matched with the opposing state, and it was only by the brilliance of some commanders and the incompetence of others that the two Latin states lost out. Had different people been in different roles, it is actually plausible that Sicily would still exist and Espanja would retain Corsica. As such it is quite the subject of discussion among varioturs and actual historians.
I guess I really messed up the Lojban, since they’re all supposed to be government types. “Kunigo” for instance was Esperanto for “federation” according to at least one source. Also, “Republica” is the Interlingua one, not “Diacono.”
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FAIRLY IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT/APOLOGY
So I dunno how popular it is, but there is an alternate history discord -something I've never had prior to cleaning up this mess- and I just found out some idjit has been impersonating me on it, spewing edgy anime memes and spouting the N-word.
So I'd like to apologise even though it wasn't me, as anything offensive or denigrating he might have said affects people's perceptions of myself. So that wasn't me, and I apologise that someone was pretending it was. If your opinion of me has degraded because of that discord, please reconsider as I assure you I do not hold the same views as that impersonator.
I'm far too milquetoast to post edgy memes and I abhor the use of the N-word outside of, well, y'know, black people. Just clearing that up. Have a lovely day.
P.S. I'm posting this here because I feel it's where the most people would recognize my username, given I make maps and all.
As @Ivoshafen said, Legends.
Not sure, if you can't see it then it's not on there. The basemap I used is a bit weird, it has some planets I've never heard and missed some I haven't so Rhen Var could well not be on there.
And once again Goliath shows 500% the imagination of most AH mappers. Really want to see some world maps for #3 and #4
#1 - The Democrats really were the party of White Power in our world, at least in the South, before Johnson and his successors forced the exodus to the Republicans. How did that resolve itself here?
#2 - a world where racist stereotypes are based in physical reality? That's treading on risky ground...
#6 - something something Esperanto?
So human civilization was broken apart by metrication?
1) here it really hasn’t. The downside has been that Bannon-types have continued to support the Democratic Party for a long time, the upside has been that the Democratic Party has plenty of superdelegates and experience in keeping such types in the outer rings of its party rather than in the White House (though its a dangerous game keeping them around at all just for the votes they bring in). As with Republicans in our world, people have been saying for a while now that the demographic changes America is going through will render the Democrats defunct soon enough, but come election time that hasn’t been the case.
2) yeah, I was really concerned how to write that right, and I might just take the map and change the description.
7) you may have misread that. I meant that the end of globally used systems was representative of the world once again dividing into disinct blocs.
#4 is probably the most likely to get expanded
#3 I don’t have much worked out for the rest of the world, save for China being stronk.Thanks!
The Indic Federation came to be during decolonization in the 1940s, as the British tried to placate all religious and national identities in India by creating a complex system of federated provinces and Princely States put into different Leagues (depending on religious affiliation mostly) for administrative coordination. The system has kinda worked regarding keeping the massive Raj together, and deep ties between the Princely monarchies and the British Crown have greatly served Britain to keep India decisively European-aligned.
Both the Indic Federation and states like Judea, Nobatia and Makuria have weird names similar to those in Ghana OTL, stemming from a British culture where Ancient culture and mysticism was massively in vogue, and seeking to bring back Ancient names that, in the case of the nations of Sudan, would downplay both Arab and African lineage. Although now that I think of it, it makes more sense for "Nobatia" to be called Alwa or Alodia instead.
Long live the Lord Protector of the New Commonwealth!
That's very nice. I don't think I've seen many such detailed maps of Tony Jones's works, barring those made by B. Munro. Do you plan on making a map for the entire setting?
Not exactly, actually it is less risky or at least "less implausible" than real world racism, since the factors on which racism or racial segregation are based upon are intensified by actual physical differencies.#2 - a world where racist stereotypes are based in physical reality? That's treading on risky ground...
For example, in real history, 'Negros/Negroid Africans' were seen as a "lesser" race due to their skull being more similar to ape skulls, even though these physical traits were almost meaningless or had no initial effect on the person itself. Someone who deems a person inferior IRL does it on meaningless traits, which is the risky part.
On the other hand, if you have a world full of different species/subraces that actually have physical differences like, say, high-pitched ear senses (due to pointed ears), stronger/weaker bodies, increased tribal or other instincts are perfect material for a society in the 19th or 20th century to go 'full racist'. The tribalist thought behind race segregation or value is at least more societally plausible , even if it doesnt change anything of the fact that racism is senseless and in a moral sense bad.
Additionally, the prevalence of racial stereotypes or tribal/race thinking based upon the 1800s race "science" in such a world is more plausible as well, due to the development of this 'science' in that world never being deemed as "evil/dumb thought": In our world the race sciences became obsolete/socially unacceptable because it could be proven that there were no races/no distinct enough phaenotypes (Is this the right term? you know, genetic differences) that could be classified as a race and therefore the different treatment of different """races""" was proven to be wrong ; however in a world where there's actual physical difference, I think it is plausible that such thought or 'science' would prevail as a "legitimate" science.
My Nightrise TL WIP project has an interesting take on this as well, especially since the Awakening happened in the 1850s and the "race science" never came out of fashion/legitimacy here as well, though different interpretations/equality exists in different parts of the world (Central-Eastern Europe, Russia, Arabia, most of Asia and a few American states practice metahuman equality or something close to it, while other parts of Earth or other nations do the total opposite)
Russian Civil War in Antarctica (1918)
The base map was created by @Gian, and used with their permission.
The timeline this map is based in is Devon Moore's The Great White South, and can be found here at Alternative History Wikia.
None of the writing and graphics I post in relation to the Great White South are canonical, but do have his approval to be posted.
With the collapse of unified "White" control in mainland Russia, representatives from the 6 Oblasts of of Russian Antarctica come together in Novopetrograd in what would become known as the "Continental Assembly." These representatives express their support for the White Movement in the Russian Civil War and oppose communism both in Russia and Antarctica. The Oblasts request Allied support in Antarctica, allowing foreign troops to enter Russian Antarctica.
The base map was created by @Gian, and used with their permission.
The timeline this map is based in is Devon Moore's The Great White South, and can be found here at Alternative History Wikia.
None of the writing and graphics I post in relation to the Great White South are canonical, but do have his approval to be posted.
Notes:
1) Novopetrograd, meeting place of the "Continental Assembly" and tentative capital of White Russian forces in Antarctica
2) Most heavily russified part of Yuzhnaya Zemlya, and subsequently very interested by the news of red-clad patriots rising up against the Monarchy...
3) K'atharans (most prominent of the West Antarctic Indigenous Peoples) are starting to get very confident after learning of the collapse of Russian Imperial power...
4) Lake Vostok had began to cultivate a very ardent group of Antarctic Russian Nationalist, who are seeing their chance to act and save their continent from the Reds
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