Map Thread XX

[AstroRangerBeans]

An updated map of Escadia without transatlantic tunnel and railway line even from my own Reddit post (ViLP found on my signature below):

 

[TapReflex]

I'm probably not going to finish in time for MOTF but I wanted to post a portion before it finished

The Southwestern Portion of the Baltic Mandate 2089, headquartered in Nexo, Bornholm. Though not quite Mediterranean, the climate has warmed, with the Carpathians dividing the increasingly subtropical Balkans/Pannonian Basin from a warm but still temperate continental Poland. Radiation is a constant threat, with nuclear proliferation strikes in Western Europe throwing up clouds of radioactive elements to be deposited across Eurasia. Large swathes of the Baltic Mandate are uninhabitable to humans, though nature finds a way. Over the past 60+ years, much of the urban locales have been stripped of scrap and taken over by grasses and shrubs. The modern transition from coniferous to deciduous forest has continued, though more through the processes of climate change, pest invasions, and fallout than the logging that traditionally forced the transition. Animal species have thrived in the edges of exclusion zones, with some making their homes in the heart of some of the worst fallout. Native or re-introduced megafauna roams, with wolves, escaped tigers, bears, water buffalo, feral horses, and American-European Bison hybrids growing in numbers, alongside pine martens, fox squirrels, racoons. Fisheries have recovered despite significant runoff from contaminated zones, though the catch is limited due to significant bioaccumulation. There are populations of humans entirely reliant on the rebounding wilderness for their caloric intake and economic livelihoods.

Poland, one of the largest states in the North Eurasian exclusion zones, with a population coming close to 300k, and maintaining three cities (Raciborz, Jelenia Gora, and Legnica) of over 30,000. The majority of the population is concentrated south of the Legnica-Rzeszow line, living in the shadows of the Carpathian Mountains. Poland has begrudgingly become one of the more diverse states of the Mandate, with Kashubians, Silesian Germans, Ukrainians, Vietnamese, Russians, Roma, Lemko, Goral, and Americans forming a substantial minority population, in some areas forming the majority of population still living in the region. Kashubians, Vietnamese, and Kurpies in particular are three populations who hold outsized importance to the Polish State, with all three being much more familiar and comfortable with navigating the wilderness, radiation, and isolated populations above the Legnica-Rzeszow Line. The Kashubian Autonomy is often considered a country unto it's own but participates in Polish Elections.

Carpathia is a majority Rusyn state that split from Ukraine in 2026 soon after 26/8, participating in the Ukrainian Civil War that followed. The Majority of the Rusyn population of the region has relocated to the areas around Villarrica, Chile, with Carpathia itself serving as a spiritual center, claim, and materials reclamation center for the Rusyn peoples. Due to its location south of the Carpathian Mountains, it's significantly better integrated into the Danubian Economic Network, though it remains in the Baltic Mandate in order to avoid Serbian domination and receive more aid from the United Nations.

Interior Peoples range from towns that refused to evacuate to the descendants of cults and militias. Some maintain sedentary agricultural lifestyles, others hunt and gather, while others serve as traders and security along the Amber Road, distributing finished goods from recovered nations deep into the Baltic and Volga Mandates, and bringing beeswax, lime, and other resources to the larger settlements of the mandate.


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crossposting from WIP thread

 

[Prince di Corsica]

One of the better maps I've seen on this thread in a while

I'm glad you like it, it seems this style has really gone well with people, it's good to know (especially since the map started with me experimenting a bit)

 

[ItsaMapping]

POD: the Long Depression lasts into the 1910s

in the year 1924, at the height of the 3rd European Spring
Volksrat Republics are this worlds ephemeral states coming from the offspring of TTL's ww1, similar to Soviet Republics; The Union of Socialist Republics (southern german nation) is TTL's USSR.
Areas under considerable socialist influence and full revolt as the name signals these regions are under effective control by socialist revolutionaries.

 

[Miranda Brawner]

An updated map of Escadia without transatlantic tunnel and railway line even from my own Reddit post (ViLP found on my signature below):

Very pretty! The rivers and roads look super realistic! And... a transatlantic railway? Sounds ambitious!

 

[Clandango]

Redoing an old map I made years ago.
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The world, 2035, from Second Renaissance. Cannot vouch for the pacific islands being accurate but this should be 95% accurate to Sean McKnight's original map. 2051 coming soon-ish.

Think I mentioned something to him on his having Hungary flooded in his previous maps some years ago. Unsure if the Black Sea would be flooded either. Ahhh well, the Turks are entrusted with the Kurds, Armenians, and a bunch of Greeks here and... Hmmm, seems his other maps have those areas independent, with Turkey having joined the European Union. I expect this is something you need to read to understand. Odd what is going on with Denmark, the Dutch failing to retain their land, plus wouldn’t Lakshadweep be underwater?

Based on (and intended to be consistent with) Emperor Julian's timeline here, this map depicts the House of Representatives election in 1922 where Woodrow Wilson was nominated for a third term as President in 1920. This one is substantially more speculative than yesterday's 1920 map. In particular, there were many New York seats won by Democrats in landslides OTL and hence are hard to imagine staying Republican but which canonically did. Again, not authorized or endorsed by Emperor Julian.

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Huh. I can understand the colors for the Socialists and Republicans, but you would think the Democrats would insist on White or Grey, given the people controlling things in the South.

Very pretty! The rivers and roads look super realistic! And... a transatlantic railway? Sounds ambitious!

Though as Alsace and that portion of Lorraine are in separate subdivisions, it might not fulfill all our criteria for a good map. Presumably they have a couple of local canals connecting the Rhine and Danube, so we will give points for that.

 

[Limabot]

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POD: the Long Depression lasts into the 1910s

in the year 1924, at the height of the 3rd European Spring
Volksrat Republics are this worlds ephemeral states coming from the offspring of TTL's ww1, similar to Soviet Republics; The Union of Socialist Republics (southern german nation) is TTL's USSR.
Areas under considerable socialist influence and full revolt as the name signals these regions are under effective control by socialist revolutionaries.

The image is a bit too grainy for my liking, but I like the scenario.

 

[Deaf Peregrine]

Huh. I can understand the colors for the Socialists and Republicans, but you would think the Democrats would insist on White or Grey, given the people controlling things in the South.

I'm using colors very close to Emperor Julian's. He decided on brown for Democrats for a combination of contrast reasons (there are many other parties which gain seats later) and the closeness of the Dixiecrat platform to fascism relative to the other parties.

 

[Deaf Peregrine]

Based on (and intended to be consistent with) Emperor Julian's timeline here, this map depicts the House of Representatives election in 1924 where Woodrow Wilson was nominated for a third term as President in 1920. This one still more speculative than Sunday's 1922 map, with Texas in this case being the difficult state. Canonically, three klan-backed Democrats lose, and deciding where those were proved difficult. Only in the 5th district (Dallas) could I find evidence of klan backing for the representative (Hatton Sumners). For the other two I couldn't find evidence the Representatives were against the klan. In one (the 12th; Fort Worth) was just among the klan heaviest regions, while the other (the 2nd) contained both a klan heavy county and a pro-Ferguson county.
The 10th District (Austin) would have been chosen, as it was extremely pro-Ferguson, but as the Representative was canonically an American Party member of the House in 1934 I thought it would be too contrived to have him lose as a Democrat, then later be nominated by the American party and win.
Not authorized or endorsed by Emperor Julian.

 

[CobaltChloride]

I spent some time trying to polish this into something interesting, and attempting to communicate more information by the map alone, but I eventually gave up. It's supposed to be a universe where the industrial revolution was significantly worse(?) than it was in ours, allowing among other things the fringe "British Israelism" movement to take power in the British Isles. I'm not terribly fond of it, and the background not especially well thought-out, but I thought I'd post it up anyway.

 

[Basileus_Komnenos]

The Empire of the Danube c.1925

A map of the Danubian Empire after its crushing victory in the Great War. Prior to the Great War Emperor Franz-Joseph enacted critical military reforms that helped modernize the KuK army for Warfare in the 20th Century. With a long period of economic growth thanks to the long years of peace prior to the war, the Empire was able to slowly increase the army budget. As a result, when Austria-Hungary entered the war in 1914, it put up a strong fight for the Central Powers. In revenge for the humiliation of the Italian wars, Austria crushed the upstart Savoyards marching up to Milan in a swift offensive forcing a harsh peace upon Italy who stabbed Austria-Hungary and Germany in the back for its defection to the Entente with Venetia being annexed into the Empire once again. In revenge for the slain Archduke Franz-Ferdinand, Serbia was crushed in a swift invasion where the a harsh occupation took place that culminated in Serbia being annexed into the Empire. With the Habsburgs victorious, a new national identity emerged based around common unity towards the Habsburg dynasty as opposed to ethnic or religious groups. Using this massive boost in legitimacy, Kaiser Karl I created a new federal structure for the Empire to sate the issues caused by growing ethnic tensions in the Empire.​

 

[Asharella]

This deserves to be reposted!

The Empire of the Danube c.1925​

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[Analytical Engine]

The Empire of the Danube c.1925

A map of the Danubian Empire after its crushing victory in the Great War. Prior to the Great War Emperor Franz-Joseph enacted critical military reforms that helped modernize the KuK army for Warfare in the 20th Century. With a long period of economic growth thanks to the long years of peace prior to the war, the Empire was able to slowly increase the army budget. As a result, when Austria-Hungary entered the war in 1914, it put up a strong fight for the Central Powers. In revenge for the humiliation of the Italian wars, Austria crushed the upstart Savoyards marching up to Milan in a swift offensive forcing a harsh peace upon Italy who stabbed Austria-Hungary and Germany in the back for its defection to the Entente with Venetia being annexed into the Empire once again. In revenge for the slain Archduke Franz-Ferdinand, Serbia was crushed in a swift invasion where the a harsh occupation took place that culminated in Serbia being annexed into the Empire. With the Habsburgs victorious, a new national identity emerged based around common unity towards the Habsburg dynasty as opposed to ethnic or religious groups. Using this massive boost in legitimacy, Kaiser Karl I created a new federal structure for the Empire to sate the issues caused by growing ethnic tensions in the Empire.​

443363757434/10, not enough Austria.

 

[Comte de Dordogne]

The Empire of the Danube c.1925

A map of the Danubian Empire after its crushing victory in the Great War. Prior to the Great War Emperor Franz-Joseph enacted critical military reforms that helped modernize the KuK army for Warfare in the 20th Century. With a long period of economic growth thanks to the long years of peace prior to the war, the Empire was able to slowly increase the army budget. As a result, when Austria-Hungary entered the war in 1914, it put up a strong fight for the Central Powers. In revenge for the humiliation of the Italian wars, Austria crushed the upstart Savoyards marching up to Milan in a swift offensive forcing a harsh peace upon Italy who stabbed Austria-Hungary and Germany in the back for its defection to the Entente with Venetia being annexed into the Empire once again. In revenge for the slain Archduke Franz-Ferdinand, Serbia was crushed in a swift invasion where the a harsh occupation took place that culminated in Serbia being annexed into the Empire. With the Habsburgs victorious, a new national identity emerged based around common unity towards the Habsburg dynasty as opposed to ethnic or religious groups. Using this massive boost in legitimacy, Kaiser Karl I created a new federal structure for the Empire to sate the issues caused by growing ethnic tensions in the Empire.​

I'm not sure that having fun integrating millions of humiliated and angry Serbs is a great idea on the part of Vienna.
And basing the Union of such diverse peoples on the authority of a single man could end badly too, a bit like Tito's disappearance in Yugoslavia (but in twice the size).
Otherwise, apart from the borders that are too dark for my taste, I like it.

 

[Basileus_Komnenos]

This deserves to be reposted!

Glad you like it so much!

443363757434/10, not enough Austria.

Of course. We've got to retake Silesia, Burgundy, Spain, Portugal, and the rest of the old Habsburg land in Northern Italy after all.

I'm not sure that having fun integrating millions of humiliated and angry Serbs is a great idea on the part of Vienna.

That's true. Its more of a fun non-plausible AH scenario based on an old HOI4 game I played when I first was learning how to use the game.

And basing the Union of such diverse peoples on the authority of a single man could end badly too, a bit like Tito's disappearance in Yugoslavia (but in twice the size).
Otherwise, apart from the borders that are too dark for my taste, I like it.

I mean Yugoslavia's ethnic tensions mostly got as bad as it did because of economic problems and stunning incompetency from the government. Still I see your point.

Here's another map I made not too long ago. This is based on Austria-Hungary negotiating a separate peace agreement during the war with the Entente with a successful Sixtus Affair. This sees Poland gain Galicia while Italy gains Istria and Trentino rather than all of South Tyrol. Bosnia in ttl is also ceded to serbia. The Empire now after a long and grueling war, still holds its head high, battered but not broken, emerging intact under Kaiser Karl's steadfast leadership. Though old tensions have begun to bubble to the surface as internal conflicts threaten to bring the Empire to the Brink of Civil War as questions of nationalism, monarchism. and independence spread throughout its lands. As you can see Greece in ttl, has won the Greco-Turkish War.

What do you guys think of this map? I'm planning on making another map of this covering the Imperial Civil War in the future after my finals are over​

 

[Historyman 14]

Glad you like it so much!


Of course. We've got to retake Silesia, Burgundy, Spain, Portugal, and the rest of the old Habsburg land in Northern Italy after all.


That's true. Its more of a fun non-plausible AH scenario based on an old HOI4 game I played when I first was learning how to use the game.


I mean Yugoslavia's ethnic tensions mostly got as bad as it did because of economic problems and stunning incompetency from the government. Still I see your point.

Here's another map I made not too long ago. This is based on Austria-Hungary negotiating a separate peace agreement during the war with the Entente with a successful Sixtus Affair. This sees Poland gain Galicia while Italy gains Istria and Trentino rather than all of South Tyrol. Bosnia in ttl is also ceded to serbia. The Empire now after a long and grueling war, still holds its head high, battered but not broken, emerging intact under Kaiser Karl's steadfast leadership. Though old tensions have begun to bubble to the surface as internal conflicts threaten to bring the Empire to the Brink of Civil War as questions of nationalism, monarchism. and independence spread throughout its lands. As you can see Greece in ttl, has won the Greco-Turkish War.

What do you guys think of this map? I'm planning on making another map of this covering the Imperial Civil War in the future after my finals are over​

I love this, and I read about A-H surviving World War 1 in some fashion and so a successful Sixtus Affair that leads to it is very interesting. (IE: Something more of the Old Europe yet survives

The big issue beyond it own ethic problems is it neighbors. A Serbia that still wants Yugoslavism, and finished off Austria-Hungary, Italy still wanting all of South Tyrol, Dalmatia and also finish off Austria-Hungary. Never mind a pissed off Romania that might becomes a version of Fascist Italy, Germany, and the USSR.

Go Go Greece Go.

The mention Imperial Civil War is also very interesting by it very name, so best of luck in what it looks like.

 

[Basileus_Komnenos]

I love this, and I read about A-H surviving World War 1 in some fashion and so a successful Sixtus Affair that leads to it is very interesting. (IE: Something more of the Old Europe yet survives

Yeah I used to hate the Habsburgs and the idea of the Austro-Hungarian Empire due to a lot of misinformation about it I heard in high school. The way I was taught was that it was a withered husk of a state that had no business continuing as it was a relic of a bygone era. Though this began to change once I began doing more research on them, and learned about them through games like EU IV, HOI IV, and Vic II.

The big issue beyond it own ethic problems is it neighbors. A Serbia that still wants Yugoslavism, and finished off Austria-Hungary, Italy still wanting all of South Tyrol, Dalmatia and also finish off Austria-Hungary. Never mind a pissed off Romania that might becomes a version of Fascist Italy, Germany, and the USSR.

I plan on them getting involved as well. Though Croatia and Slovenia in otl didn't really care for Yugoslavism, and only really joined out of fear of losing territory to Italy.

Never mind a pissed off Romania that might becomes a version of Fascist Italy, Germany, and the USSR.

Bulgaria: Am I a joke to you?

Depending on how things turn out, instead of WWII there might be a series of various wars on the continent instead of one widespread war. Though I'm not too sure myself about all the details just yet.

Go Go Greece Go.

The inner Byzantophile in me forced my hand. Though things won't go as smoothly for Greece as they think once the Balkans and Europe are lit on fire.

The mention Imperial Civil War is also very interesting by it very name, so best of luck in what it looks like.

Its loosely inspired by @Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth's Danubian Civil War if that gives you an idea. His Central Powers Victory Timeline is quite good, and I recommend reading it.

 

[Historyman 14]

Yeah I used to hate the Habsburgs and the idea of the Austro-Hungarian Empire due to a lot of misinformation about it I heard in high school. The way I was taught was that it was a withered husk of a state that had no business continuing as it was a relic of a bygone era. Though this began to change once I began doing more research on them, and learned about them through games like EU IV, HOI IV, and Vic II.


I plan on them getting involved as well. Though Croatia and Slovenia in otl didn't really care for Yugoslavism, and only really joined out of fear of losing territory to Italy.


Bulgaria: Am I a joke to you?

Depending on how things turn out, instead of WWII there might be a series of various wars on the continent instead of one widespread war. Though I'm not too sure myself about all the details just yet.


The inner Byzantophile in me forced my hand. Though things won't go as smoothly for Greece as they think once the Balkans and Europe are lit on fire.


Its loosely inspired by @Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth's Danubian Civil War if that gives you an idea. His Central Powers Victory Timeline is quite good, and I recommend reading it.

Pretty much. As popular as Yugoslavism* became, it only really took place in OTL out of fear of Italy and other neighbors taking territory. Pretty much the same deal after World War 2 and Tito keeping it together. I also read Croatia was actually very loyal to Austria and the House of Habsburg as it protected them from the Turks and several Croatian heroes was Austrian.

(*It never became what it was supposed to be, and always became what it was feared: A Serbian dominated state.)

Bulgaria: Hey, our deal is with Serbia, not A-H.

Yeah...poor Greece. (Eyes Constantinople nervously.)

How interesting.

 

[Whiteshore]

The Empire of the Danube c.1925

How powerful would said Danubia be compared to Germany? Still the junior partner or are they now equally powerful?

 

[Kaiser Wilhelm the Tenth]

The Empire of the Danube c.1925

A map of the Danubian Empire after its crushing victory in the Great War. Prior to the Great War Emperor Franz-Joseph enacted critical military reforms that helped modernize the KuK army for Warfare in the 20th Century. With a long period of economic growth thanks to the long years of peace prior to the war, the Empire was able to slowly increase the army budget. As a result, when Austria-Hungary entered the war in 1914, it put up a strong fight for the Central Powers. In revenge for the humiliation of the Italian wars, Austria crushed the upstart Savoyards marching up to Milan in a swift offensive forcing a harsh peace upon Italy who stabbed Austria-Hungary and Germany in the back for its defection to the Entente with Venetia being annexed into the Empire once again. In revenge for the slain Archduke Franz-Ferdinand, Serbia was crushed in a swift invasion where the a harsh occupation took place that culminated in Serbia being annexed into the Empire. With the Habsburgs victorious, a new national identity emerged based around common unity towards the Habsburg dynasty as opposed to ethnic or religious groups. Using this massive boost in legitimacy, Kaiser Karl I created a new federal structure for the Empire to sate the issues caused by growing ethnic tensions in the Empire.​

Very very nice!
Edit: Wow, thanks for the Place In the Sun plug!