The Rise of Joseph Stahl - A German Stalin Collab TL

What ideology should Stahl follow?

  • Communism

    Votes: 19 35.2%

  • Nationalist Socialism/Stahlism

    Votes: 35 64.8%
  • Total voters
    54
  • Poll closed .

LucaTheDevilCat

Banned
Chapter 3 - The eagles prowl

After the war, Stahl and Hitler were sent on a mission to infiltrate a suspected leftist political group in Bavaria. It would later be found this group weren't leftists at all but rather a right wing group who routinely met in a bar. Both Adolf and Joseph left the party and became their 55th and 56th members respectively. Joseph is said to have to remarked to Adolf:

JS: "Is this really where our lives are heading? I don't want to spend my veteran days in a group of Bavarian thugs"

AH: "No one thought the war would last beyond Christmas, if that is so, the possibilities for this group are endless!"

JS: "Do you really believe that? I only joined this party because of you but we will live as outcasts in this bar with a chance in hell to do anything major"

AH "We'll see about that" *Adolf eyes Anton Drexler with a weary eye, Joseph glances, a sudden realisation in both their heads*

Anton Drexler's deposition marked the start of one of the most infamous organisations in history. As the threat of communism grew the new Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party ran by the 'Duo of Evil' would quickly surge in numbers in the early 1920s. In 1924, the Nazis decided to pounce, history would decide their fate.
 

Bookmark1995

Banned
Aloha said:
Should be worth noting that he's from Hamburg in this TL.
But that's what I was thinking too: him being extremely brutal to divert attention and suspicion from his true ethnic background. I imagine that there would be a lot of lying in his autobiography and other writings too.
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He might declare his parents "proud Germans," or something along those lines.

His apologists will call his Caucasus background a "Jewish fiction."
 
Alpha-King98760

Alpha-King98760

I’m loving this! It’s so fascinating, Hitler and Stalin working side by side. What a terrifying yet intriguing concept. Europe is in for an one hell of a dark time.
 

Bookmark1995

Banned
Alpha-King98760 said:
I’m loving this! It’s so fascinating, Hitler and Stalin working side by side. What a terrifying yet intriguing concept. Europe is in for an one hell of a dark time.
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Ehhh...

Let's remember that the two men, behind the image of power, were really, really awful at their jobs. They were great at keeping power, but really awful with mismanagement.

The two of them might screw up Germany even faster.
 
Lord_Vespasian

Lord_Vespasian

Banned
LucaTheDevilCat said:
Chapter 3 - The eagles prowl

After the war, Stahl and Hitler were sent on a mission to infiltrate a suspected leftist political group in Bavaria. It would later be found this group weren't leftists at all but rather a right wing group who routinely met in a bar. Both Adolf and Joseph left the party and became their 55th and 56th members respectively. Joseph is said to have to remarked to Adolf:

JS: "Is this really where our lives are heading? I don't want to spend my veteran days in a group of Bavarian thugs"

AH: "No one thought the war would last beyond Christmas, if that is so, the possibilities for this group are endless!"

JS: "Do you really believe that? I only joined this party because of you but we will live as outcasts in this bar with a chance in hell to do anything major"

AH "We'll see about that" *Adolf eyes Anton Drexler with a weary eye, Joseph glances, a sudden realisation in both their heads*

Anton Drexler's deposition marked the start of one of the most infamous organisations in history. As the threat of communism grew the new Nationalist Socialist German Workers Party ran by the 'Duo of Evil' would quickly surge in numbers in the early 1920s. In 1924, the Nazis decided to pounce, history would decide their fate.
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"I believe in only one thing, the power of the German will" - Joseph Stahl
"When we burn the Jewish bankers, they will have sold us the fuel we used." - Joseph Stahl on the Concentration Camps
"Those who vote decide nothing in Western "Democracy", those who control the international finances decide everything.” - Joseph Stahl
"Purity is the most outstanding feature of the Third Reich." - Joseph Stahl
"Death is the solution to all problems. No Jew, no problem." - Joseph Stahl
"He can't even shoot straight!" - Joseph Stahl on his assassin's bad aim
"The Kaiser! How many divisions has he got?!" Joseph Stahl on monarchist sympathies withing Germany
"The only real power comes out of the long barrel of a Gewehr." - Joseph Stahl
"A single death is insignificant, a million is a good start." - Joseph Stahl on the Holocaust
"Education is a weapon, whose effect depends on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed. With it, we shall turn Germany into the mightiest nation as every man, woman, and child shall be weaponized." - Joseph Stahl
 
Lord_Vespasian

Lord_Vespasian

Banned
President Earl Warren said:
That's a bit over confident of Mr Stahl, considering how much of the Army would of backed a Restoration of the Monarchy
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What? That's so wrong. Hitler gained a lot of support among the military by being anti-Weimar, anti-communist, and anti-monarchist. The Kaiser was not popular among the military. For God's sake, the inciting incident that brought down the monarchy was the Kiel mutiny. Monarchist sympatheties were virtually nonexistent save for a few higher-ups in the military and politics. The general public, left, right, and center was anti-monarchist
 

President Earl Warren

Lord_Vespasian said:
What? That's so wrong. Hitler gained a lot of support among the military by being anti-Weimar, anti-communist, and anti-monarchist. The Kaiser was not popular among the military. For God's sake, the inciting incident that brought down the monarchy was the Kiel mutiny. Monarchist sympatheties were virtually nonexistent save for a few higher-ups in the military and politics. The general public, left, right, and center was anti-monarchist
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Sorry,I should of been more clear, I meant the Officer Corps. If they had managed to do their coup, I think they would of generally tried to bring the Monarchy back (I know they tried to bring the crown prince in on all the plotting) but then again, I could be a complete idiot on this front, so who knows.
 
Mendicant Bias

Mendicant Bias

Trotsky as the head of the USSR would make Russia a formidable force against Nazi Germany. If the Nazis go ahead with wasting their resources on the Holocaust, that would prove disastrous fairly early. How about Stahl understands that wasting resources would not lead to a victorious Germany in the end, and urges Hitler to not go ahead with the plan before the inevitable fight against the Soviets? And since the Soviets are very aggressive, maybe the Western Allies will consider the USSR a greater threat than the new rise of fascism, and help out Hitler and Stahl against the Russians.
 
Lord_Vespasian

Lord_Vespasian

Banned
RussiaWasMyIdea said:
Trotsky as the head of the USSR would make Russia a formidable force against Nazi Germany. If the Nazis go ahead with wasting their resources on the Holocaust, that would prove disastrous fairly early. How about Stahl understands that wasting resources would not lead to a victorious Germany in the end, and urges Hitler to not go ahead with the plan before the inevitable fight against the Soviets? And since the Soviets are very aggressive, maybe the Western Allies will consider the USSR a greater threat than the new rise of fascism, and help out Hitler and Stahl against the Russians.
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You're implying totalitarian dictators are completely rational actors ;)
 
Mendicant Bias

Mendicant Bias

Lord_Vespasian said:
You're implying totalitarian dictators are completely rational actors ;)
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Could be influenced by foreign countries as well, maybe the Brits and USA urge Germany to provoke the Soviets into striking first so they can help take down the Russians. Hitler and Stahl might develop into ultra-psychopaths later down the line, but wouldn't be totally against the idea of getting help to attack the Soviets. Could lead the plot into an eventual German v Western Allies Cold War scenario.
 

ShortsBelfast

Aloha said:
Well, maybe resident Germans of Slavic descent (like Stahl)
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Georgians aren't Slavs and don't speak a Slavonic language. They are an ancient people who just happened to be conquered by Russia in the early 1800s. Georgians are far enough away and don't hold anything Germany wants to be declared honorary Aryans (whatever an Aryan might be)
 

LucaTheDevilCat

Banned
Both Germany and the USSR are going to be stronger and weaker ITTL, the Soviets especially.

The USSR because although industrialisation is still happening (with complete disregard for human costs like OTL) and no purges (Old school generals from WW1 and the Russian Revolution probably won’t last against Panzers and Stukas anyway). The Soviet Government will be rife with bureaucracy and corruption, Trotsky’s Soviet democracy along with no fear of being purged means people juggle for power a lot more which might slow down modernisation, not to mention the cost of exporting the revolution which will most likely be put down.

Germany because two (and maybe later one, hint hint) strong leaders and masterminds in logistics and propaganda will guarantee the Nazi party stays in power from within (Not sure on whether or not to make this a Nazi Victory TL).
 
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