"To tell the truth, I feel much more sympathetically inclined to the purest of Russians than to any of those arrogant islanders and Frenchmen."It could be interesting to see Stahl wanting to help anti-Soviet Russians/Slavs and offer them a place in the Lebensraum due to his own heritage, whereas Hitler wants nothing to do with the Slavs and would prefer to outright kill them, regardless of their anti-Communist values. Who would take the place of Stalin in the Soviet Union?
"Bukharin is one of the most extraordinary figures in world history. He began as a small clerk, and he has never stopped being a clerk. Bukharin owes nothing to rhetoric. He governs from his office, thanks to a bureaucracy that obeys his every nod and gesture. It's striking that Russian propaganda, in the criticisms it makes of us, always holds itself within certain limits. Bukharin is apparently quite ready to abandon European Russia, if he thinks that a failure to solve her problems would cause him to lose everything. Let nobody think Bukharin might reconquer Europe from the Urals! It is as if I were installed in Slovakia, and could set out from there to reconquer the Reich. This is the catastrophe that will cause the loss of the Soviet Empire.”Maybe Bukharin would take Stalin’s place as leader of the USSR ITTL?
"Stalin is one of the most extraordinary figures in world history."
~OTL Hitler.
And no Himmler in sight.Fuhrer Stahl and Hitler walking with troops (1941)
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The concept of a dual leadership, sort of is very interesting to me. I never have seen examples of that irl as far as I know.
What would Stahl think of America, and Britain?
He would likely accuse them of being corrupted by Jewish Influence like how most Nazi propaganda viewed other neighboring democracies.The concept of a dual leadership, sort of is very interesting to me. I never have seen examples of that irl as far as I know.
What would Stahl think of America, and Britain?
I don't think Georgians would be victims of persecutions since Stahl is Georgian himself.Implausible as it sounds, I'd be very interested in seeing a scenario where Stahl's support for the Russian fascists and "pure" Russians creates a fascist uprising and another Russian Civil War happens as a result, or maybe even a part of Russia joining the Axis against the USSR. So that Stahl would still pursue his invasion of the USSR but spare some Russians and allow them to take part in his Lebensraum. He'd still be extremely brutal to Kazakhs, Georgians, Jews, etc. though.
Indeed. I'd like the idea of both of them being recognised as figures, maybe both of them do speeches separately? Maybe they're seen as the "Two Faces of Germany"? Idea of a dual dictatorship sounds very interesting to me now that I think of it.The concept of a dual leadership, sort of is very interesting to me. I never have seen examples of that irl as far as I know.
What would Stahl think of America, and Britain?
Perhaps he uses him like usual being both a high-ranking SS Officer and head of Secret Police. Although I can imagine him be like Beria, minus the pedophilia.I wonder if Reinhard Heydrich will be utilised by Stahl?
Oh, definitely. I wasn't really meaning like a whole Fascist Russia being established, more like something along the lines of the Reorganized National Government of China or Vichy France. As in, there'd be a few fascist states that would be established in the West and East. Maybe the East helps the Japanese and the West helps the Germans and Italians? I was thinking that otherwise, the Germans could invade the Soviet Union but at least divide the territories between it and the fascist states (with pure Russians). I guess we'd just have to see what OP writes down next.He would likely accuse them of being corrupted by Jewish Influence like how most Nazi propaganda viewed other neighboring democracies.
I don't think Georgians would be victims of persecutions since Stahl is Georgian himself.
Also for a Fascist Russia, I could see Stahl work with Russian Fascists - Konstantin Rodzaevsky and Anastasy Vonsiatsky. But I don't think they would realistically lebensraum Russia (It wouldn't bode well with potential Russian Fascists allies and could be a burden with high level of dissent within occupied Russia), at best I could see a Fascist Russia similar to Wang Jingwei's Reorganized Republic of China which was a Pro-Japanese Puppet State during the Japanese invasion. Also for a Fascist Russia's Military, I could see it reduced to 300,000 - 600,000 men (instead of 100,000) much like the Collaborationist Chinese Army, since Russia is large and well there is a lot of ground to cover in Russia.
I mean they only want more land for farming space. So why not reduce lebensraum to Poland and Ukraine and not Russia, while a Puppet Fascist Russia can distribute crops to Germany?
There are two wrong things:1) Richtofen was dead by then (I can't see how the PoD can butterfy in his survival); 2) von Hindenburg was not the President until 1925; Ebert was (It actually works better for a civil war, having the SPD on power).Snip