The Great Crusade (Reds! Part 3)

bookmark95

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What I get is that the UASR and the USSR are going to find themselves walking a tightrope like OTL.

However, because Stalin is not purge-crazy, maybe some competent Red Army officers are still alive.

Is the war going as destructive for the USSR as OTL? Do more Soviet soldiers and civilians make it out alive?
 
What I'm interested to know is what is the travel situation between the UASR and the USSR? Emigration to the UASR could act as a useful safety valve for the USSR, people who would otherwise get killed have the choice to flee to America.
 

bookmark95

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What I'm interested to know is what is the travel situation between the UASR and the USSR? Emigration to the UASR could act as a useful safety valve for the USSR, people who would otherwise get killed have the choice to flee to America.

I don't know. The USSR OTL kept people behind a strict wall for generations. "Scoop" Jackson's cause celebre in real life was the right of Soviet Jews to immigrate to Israel.

The USSR is not going to become a peaceful and open society overnight, so they still will severely restrict travel, and keep dissidents in prison.

The UASR, not wanting to betray its political ally, may discourage, or outright ban, negative stories about the USSR in journalism. They want people to believe socialism is good, so they may try when possible to prevent negative information about the Soviet Union from leaking out.
 
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What I get is that the UASR and the USSR are going to find themselves walking a tightrope like OTL.

However, because Stalin is not purge-crazy, maybe some competent Red Army officers are still alive.

Is the war going as destructive for the USSR as OTL? Do more Soviet soldiers and civilians make it out alive?

We have confirmation that Frunze lives. And ITTL he's an innovative and smart military mind, who pushes a specially socialist war policy which mixes mobility with heavy emphasis on partisan work behind enemy lines to to disrupt supply chains and sap at the troops morale. Tuchevetsky might be gone given how he's unmentioned. But Frunze being alive means there's independent minds still in the armed forces. In particular he might not have been able to purge the civil war era Bolshevik officers who rose from the ranks of the red army.
 
Oh I understand how frustrating it can be to discuss things that even the authors seemed uncertain on how to proceed. :)

Maybe what I fear is that the kind of fruitful discussion on this before became lost in the increasingly huge annals of Reds! in this site. On the other hand, maybe even more discussion will just get the ideas presented in the past to become even more buried behind the tons of pages of discussion.

Of course I am not saying that let's open the gates of discussion once again to the type of discussing what is going to happen in the Cold War itself, if it doesn't going to make any sense and it's just going to be fruitless. A discussion of postwar or even pre-Revolution era (especially in relation to other parts of the world) can probably suffice if it is only going to relate to the 1930s revisions gap and more importantly, to World War II itself.

I think it's also important to stay on focus to the current era so that we can properly set the stage for the latter era (which needs to be on its own thread).

I just don't want to have a strictly no discussion on other eras, even if I can relate it to the current focus on World War II. For example, I am thinking of a lot of stuff in relation to Asian pre-World War II history that may fill in the gaps and even help in the current discussion of World War II. We can only look to the history of Indian communism, Chinese and Indochinese communism, the Philippine Communist Party, and the Japanese socialist and communist movements. Maybe we need a bigger role for these institutions for the World War II struggle to become even more awesome. After all, we are still not even 25% finished on the current era. Maybe I can catch it up. There's no doubt that I have to touch on the historical background which goes pre-1933. That's off limits then? I don't think it should be. I am just getting the impression that when IP wanted to talk more of the revolution era stuff, he was being stopped because it's not World War II stuff. I'm sure that the current focus now is a World War II update (I can't wait, man :)), but it's not like IP is going to make an update himself. He's just going to explain things, though he did a great deal of it already before. I just enjoyed how he explain things.

But World War II related material it should be. I'm afraid that I have yet to collect my mind on how to propose stuff. In the end, maybe I don't need to be. I just want to see an update first. Hehehe. :eek:
 
So far the ban on discussion has only ever been on discussion of post World War II stuff. Previous eras are not just open for discussion but likely encouraged for helping stuff along.
 
I wonder if Scooby Doo ever gets made

I hope so. Communist Scooby Doo would be awesome.

Fred: Turns out the ghost of Henry Ford was Genral MacArthur the whole time.

Velma: He was planning to use the fear of supernatural retribution to frighten the proletariat into submitting to his exploitation, just as all exploiters throughout history have mobilised superstition and religion to entrench their domination.

MacArthur: And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.
 

E. Burke

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I hope so. Communist Scooby Doo would be awesome.

Fred: Turns out the ghost of Henry Ford was Genral MacArthur the whole time.

Velma: He was planning to use the fear of supernatural retribution to frighten the proletariat into submitting to his exploitation, just as all exploiters throughout history have mobilised superstition and religion to entrench their domination.

MacArthur: And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids and your dog.

fixed it for you
 
Good update.

What's the difference between the Secretariat of Culture and the Academy of Arts and Science? They seem to occupy roughly the same role. Does the Academy give out the Oscars?
 
Good update.

What's the difference between the Secretariat of Culture and the Academy of Arts and Science? They seem to occupy roughly the same role. Does the Academy give out the Oscars?

Culture is more agit-prop oriented whereas the Academy of Arts and Sciences is an academic institution giving out grants and stuff. So it's cultural work is tending towards high art stuff and research/education. So it's just very different things with overlap and cross pollination. I'm sure that people who got grants or education though the academy of the arts end up taking a Tarantino esque turn to very proud pop art.
 

bookmark95

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Interesting that Teddy Roosevelt, Jr. has a cabinet slot. How many old political families persist in power after the Revolution?

I remember reading that the Tafts have more or less stood their ground. Robert Taft refused to relinquish the Constitution, so Hoover is leaving him be.

I believe the Kennedys and the Rockefellers are sunbathing in Cuba.
 
Interesting that Teddy Roosevelt, Jr. has a cabinet slot. How many old political families persist in power after the Revolution?
It's a veneer of powersharing after the revolution, preserving the appearance of pluralism, but for a mixture of pragmatic and personal reasons, the non-Worker's party members of the cabinet pretty much know that they have to follow the general line of the communist party on most issues, or they'll be removed.
 

E. Burke

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given that its easter and was just passover I have two questions:


1. What is judaism like in the UASR in the present?

2. What celebrations occur around easter?
 
My Idea of the Flag

Hi guys. I've been following all three Reds! timelines very closely and I love it. Today I was playing with the flag around on paint, and I came up with this:
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https://flic.kr/p/ENJA2M
Still rough around the edges, but I liked the idea of some blue in the flag to represent America's great lakes, rivers, and two oceans. I left everything else and put it on the traditional red striped background, making the flag a tribute to both of America's revolutions.
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Hi guys. I've been following all three Reds! timelines very closely and I love it. Today I was playing with the flag around on paint, and I came up with this:

Still rough around the edges, but I liked the idea of some blue in the flag to represent America's great lakes, rivers, and two oceans. I left everything else and put it on the traditional red striped background, making the flag a tribute to both of America's revolutions.
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Edit: it does looks better than most attempts to get a socialized version of the flag although I prefer the canon flag. I think you should have kept the red striped background and make the red horizontal stripes blue instead. Well, at least it isn't an eyesore.

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bookmark95

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I have a theory regarding the woman fighting in the Second World War.

I'm guessing that huge majority of them come not from cities, from the Mountain West.

The history of the American frontier is full of surprises, one of them being that the mountain states gave woman the right to vote decades before Eastern states did. The reasons were far from altruistic, but states like Wyoming and Utah embraced woman's suffrage, even in the face of outrage from Washington. Many woman firsts came from the region, including Jeannette Rankin of Montana (who I imagine would play a prominent role in American socialism).

Would women living out west, inspired by woman rights victories in their past, make up a disproportionate number of volunteers in the UASR?
 
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