XXth C: Discussion Thread

I don't know about that. Smith's Civil Rights Initiative doesn't pass until 1929. Missouri was hardly a racially progressive state in the early 1900s, so why would they be ahead of the national curve?

Also, remember Smith's Civil Rights Initiative isn't all that big of a deal -- it's not until President Quentin Roosevelt signs the Civil Rights and Voting Act in 1956 that we reach the level of rights that blacks enjoyed in OTL 1968.
 
OK, Glen, I'm game. :) From my memory, this is what we have for 1900-1960 (after 1960, the whole world is sketchy). I'll do A's first...

Afghanistan is pretty much absent, but then again, not much happened there in OTL.
The Caucasian A's are represented a bit in their involvement in the Greek-Ottoman and Georgian-Russian intrigues. I like to think they're doing better, esp. since the Armenian Genocide seems to be much smaller-scale in XXth.
Albania, I can't recall anything.
Algeria has a great TL, but it drops off suddenly when the British take over.
Argentina, I can't recall anything.
Australia could really use sketches of its most famous OTL citizens' parallels.
Austria is very well covered.
The rest are minor places.
 

Glen

Moderator
I don't know about that. Smith's Civil Rights Initiative doesn't pass until 1929. Missouri was hardly a racially progressive state in the early 1900s, so why would they be ahead of the national curve?

Also, remember Smith's Civil Rights Initiative isn't all that big of a deal -- it's not until President Quentin Roosevelt signs the Civil Rights and Voting Act in 1956 that we reach the level of rights that blacks enjoyed in OTL 1968.

Points made. I say we can accept Tom's events as written, given the stipulation that things may be more advanced in other states.
 

Glen

Moderator
OK, Glen, I'm game. :) From my memory, this is what we have for 1900-1960 (after 1960, the whole world is sketchy). I'll do A's first...

Afghanistan is pretty much absent, but then again, not much happened there in OTL.

Oh, contraire....Afghanistan is actually WIPED OFF THE MAP!:mad: Happened while I was AWOL apparently. The Russians invaded and 'used up' their stock of WMD there. Its now a radioactive, poisoned part of the Reunited Tsardom of Russia.

The Caucasian A's are represented a bit in their involvement in the Greek-Ottoman and Georgian-Russian intrigues. I like to think they're doing better, esp. since the Armenian Genocide seems to be much smaller-scale in XXth.

Yes, you're probably right, but what happened to Armenian and Azerbaijan areas after the Global War?

Albania, I can't recall anything.

Divvied up between Austria and Italy, then Italy falls apart in the Global War, and I think Austria takes the rest IIRC.

Algeria has a great TL, but it drops off suddenly when the British take over.

Need someone to give us a skeleton of Algeria's fate after the British, then.

Argentina, I can't recall anything.

The South American wars I think was the last bit on Argentina. Definitely need to sketch out South America for the mid and late 20th century.

Australia could really use sketches of its most famous OTL citizens' parallels.

Yes. We really need to draft some Aussies to help with that.....

Austria is very well covered.

Indeed. Could use a little more finishing in the late 20th century.

The rest are minor places.

But we need to know their fate, if even it is to say, "See nation X."
 
There is a case to be made for forced relocation of Caucasus minorities into homogenous nation-states after the Global War, similar to the post-WWII relocations in Central & Eastern Europe.
 
September 4th, 1964- A captured American "advisor" is brought to Britain and show as proof that the US was involved. The US denies knowledge of his activities.

December 14th, 1964- A Russian advisor is caught, he will not say which country he is from, it is becoming more obivous that the two Russian countries are involved.
 

Glen

Moderator
September 4th, 1964- A captured American "advisor" is brought to Britain and show as proof that the US was involved. The US denies knowledge of his activities.

December 14th, 1964- A Russian advisor is caught, he will not say which country he is from, it is becoming more obivous that the two Russian countries are involved.

Huh? Involved in what?
 
Sorry! Involved in UIE war. Also, how far are the Roosevelts still around, 50s, 60s so far? Is it OK to create a 2 new baseball teams, and have a Roosevelt play on one?

 

Glen

Moderator
I have posted a copy of the XXth Century timeline to the Timelines and Scenarios Forum for people to read.
 

Glen

Moderator
Let's get this discussion rolling again, so we can go through it and sketch out the political borders of the world in 2000....

Below is a list of OTL countries/territories from wikipedia. I'd like to go through the list alphabetically and get a feel for what we think has happened and/or should happen to those regions in the XXth Century timeline.

A
Abkhazia – Republic of Abkhazia[4]
Afghanistan – Islamic Republic of Afghanistan
Akrotiri and Dhekelia – Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia (UK overseas territory)
Åland – Åland Islands (Autonomous province of Finland)
Albania – Republic of Albania
Algeria – People's Democratic Republic of Algeria
American Samoa – Territory of American Samoa (US territory)
Andorra – Principality of Andorra
Angola – Republic of Angola
Anguilla (UK overseas territory)
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina – Argentine Republic[10]
Armenia – Republic of Armenia
Aruba (Self-governing country in the Kingdom of the Netherlands)
Ascension Island (Dependency of the UK overseas territory of Saint Helena)
Australia – Commonwealth of Australia
Austria – Republic of Austria
Azerbaijan – Republic of Azerbaijan[11]

B
Bahamas, The – Commonwealth of The Bahamas
Bahrain – Kingdom of Bahrain
Bangladesh – People's Republic of Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus – Republic of Belarus
Belgium – Kingdom of Belgium
Belize
Benin – Republic of Benin
Bermuda (UK overseas territory)
Bhutan – Kingdom of Bhutan
Bolivia – Republic of Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina[12]
Botswana – Republic of Botswana
Brazil – Federative Republic of Brazil
Brunei – Negara Brunei Darussalam
Bulgaria – Republic of Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
See Myanmar for Burma[1]
Burundi – Republic of Burundi

C
Cambodia – Kingdom of Cambodia
Cameroon – Republic of Cameroon
Canada[13]
Cape Verde – Republic of Cape Verde
Cayman Islands (UK overseas territory)
Central African Republic[14]
Chad – Republic of Chad
Chile – Republic of Chile
China, People's Republic of – People's Republic of China[15]
China, Republic of – Republic of China [16]
Christmas Island – Territory of Christmas Island (Australian overseas territory)
Cocos (Keeling) Islands – Territory of Cocos (Keeling) Islands (Australian overseas territory)
Colombia – Republic of Colombia
Comoros – Union of the Comoros
Congo, Democratic Republic of – Democratic Republic of the Congo[17]
Congo, Republic of – Republic of the Congo[18]
Cook Islands (Associated state of New Zealand)
Costa Rica – Republic of Costa Rica
Côte d'Ivoire – Republic of Côte d'Ivoire[1]
Croatia – Republic of Croatia
Cuba – Republic of Cuba
Cyprus – Republic of Cyprus[19]
Czech Republic[20]

D
Denmark – Kingdom of Denmark
See Akrotiri and Dhekelia for Dhekelia
Djibouti – Republic of Djibouti
Dominica – Commonwealth of Dominica
Dominican Republic

E
See Timor-Leste for East Timor[1]
Ecuador – Republic of Ecuador
Egypt – Arab Republic of Egypt
El Salvador – Republic of El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea – Republic of Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea – State of Eritrea
Estonia – Republic of Estonia
Ethiopia – Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia

F
Falkland Islands (UK overseas territory)[21]
Faroe Islands (Self-governing country in the Kingdom of Denmark)
Fiji – Republic of the Fiji Islands
Finland – Republic of Finland
France – French Republic
French Polynesia (French overseas community)

G
Gabon – Gabonese Republic
Gambia, The – Republic of The Gambia
Georgia[22]
Germany – Federal Republic of Germany
Ghana – Republic of Ghana
Gibraltar (UK overseas territory)
Greece – Hellenic Republic
Greenland (Self-governing country in the Kingdom of Denmark)
Grenada
Guam – Territory of Guam (US organized territory)
Guatemala – Republic of Guatemala
Guernsey – Bailiwick of Guernsey (British Crown dependency)[23]
Guinea – Republic of Guinea
Guinea-Bissau – Republic of Guinea-Bissau
Guyana – Co-operative Republic of Guyana

H
Haiti – Republic of Haiti
Honduras – Republic of Honduras
Hong Kong – Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China (Area of special sovereignty)[24]
Hungary – Republic of Hungary

I
Iceland – Republic of Iceland
India – Republic of India
Indonesia – Republic of Indonesia
Iran – Islamic Republic of Iran
Iraq – Republic of Iraq
Ireland[25]
Isle of Man (British Crown dependency)
Israel – State of Israel
Italy – Italian Republic
See Côte d'Ivoire for Ivory Coast[1]

J
Jamaica
Japan
Jersey – Bailiwick of Jersey (British Crown dependency)
Jordan – Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan

K
Kazakhstan – Republic of Kazakhstan
Kenya – Republic of Kenya
Kiribati – Republic of Kiribati
Korea, Democratic People's Republic of – Democratic People's Republic of Korea[26]
Korea, Republic of – Republic of Korea[27]
Kosovo – Autonomous Province of Kosovo and Metohia (Autonomous province of Serbia under UN protectorate)[28]
Kuwait – State of Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan – Kyrgyz Republic[29]

L
Laos – Lao People's Democratic Republic
Latvia – Republic of Latvia
Lebanon – Republic of Lebanon
Lesotho – Kingdom of Lesotho
Liberia – Republic of Liberia
Libya – Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
Liechtenstein – Principality of Liechtenstein
Lithuania – Republic of Lithuania
Luxembourg – Grand Duchy of Luxembourg

M
Macao – Macao Special Administrative Region of the People's Republic of China (Area of special sovereignty)[1][30]
Republic of Macedonia [31]
Madagascar – Republic of Madagascar
Malawi – Republic of Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives – Republic of Maldives
Mali – Republic of Mali
Malta – Republic of Malta
Marshall Islands – Republic of the Marshall Islands
Mauritania – Islamic Republic of Mauritania
Mauritius – Republic of Mauritius
Mayotte (French overseas community)
Mexico – United Mexican States
Micronesia – Federated States of Micronesia
Moldova – Republic of Moldova[32]
Monaco – Principality of Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro – Republic of Montenegro
Montserrat (UK overseas territory)
Morocco – Kingdom of Morocco[33]
Mozambique – Republic of Mozambique
Myanmar – Union of Myanmar (also rendered as Burma[1])

N
Nagorno-Karabakh – Nagorno-Karabakh Republic[5]
Namibia – Republic of Namibia
Nauru – Republic of Nauru
Nepal – State of Nepal
Netherlands – Kingdom of the Netherlands[34]
Netherlands Antilles (Self-governing country in the Kingdom of the Netherlands)
New Caledonia – Territory of New Caledonia and Dependencies (French community sui generis)
New Zealand
Nicaragua – Republic of Nicaragua
Niger – Republic of Niger
Nigeria – Federal Republic of Nigeria
Niue (Associated state of New Zealand)
See Korea, Democratic People's Republic of for North Korea
Norfolk Island – Territory of Norfolk Island (Australian overseas territory)
Northern Cyprus – Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus[3]
Northern Mariana Islands – Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands (US commonwealth)
Norway – Kingdom of Norway

O
Oman – Sultanate of Oman

P
Pakistan – Islamic Republic of Pakistan
Palau – Republic of Palau
Palestine – Proclaimed State of Palestine[35]
Panama – Republic of Panama
Papua New Guinea – Independent State of Papua New Guinea
Paraguay – Republic of Paraguay
Peru – Republic of Peru
Philippines – Republic of the Philippines
Pitcairn Islands – Pitcairn, Henderson, Ducie, and Oeno Islands (UK overseas territory)
Poland – Republic of Poland
Portugal – Portuguese Republic
Pridnestrovie – Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic (also rendered as Transnistria[1])[6]
Puerto Rico – Commonwealth of Puerto Rico (US commonwealth)

Q
Qatar – State of Qatar

R
Romania
Russia – Russian Federation
Rwanda – Republic of Rwanda

S
Saint Helena (UK overseas territory)
Saint Kitts and Nevis – Federation of Saint Christopher and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Pierre and Miquelon (French overseas community)
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa – Independent State of Samoa
San Marino – Most Serene Republic of San Marino
São Tomé and Príncipe – Democratic Republic of São Tomé and Príncipe
Saudi Arabia – Kingdom of Saudi Arabia
Senegal – Republic of Senegal
Serbia – Republic of Serbia[36]
Seychelles – Republic of Seychelles
Sierra Leone – Republic of Sierra Leone
Singapore – Republic of Singapore
Slovakia – Slovak Republic
Slovenia – Republic of Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia[37]
Somaliland – Republic of Somaliland[7]
South Africa – Republic of South Africa
See Korea, Republic of for South Korea
South Ossetia – Republic of South Ossetia[8]
Spain – Kingdom of Spain
Sri Lanka – Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka
Sudan – Republic of the Sudan
Suriname – Republic of Suriname
Svalbard (Territory of Norway)[38]
Swaziland – Kingdom of Swaziland
Sweden – Kingdom of Sweden
Switzerland – Swiss Confederation
Syria – Syrian Arab Republic

T
See China, Republic of for the country that is commonly referred to as Taiwan
Tajikistan – Republic of Tajikistan
Tanzania – United Republic of Tanzania
Thailand – Kingdom of Thailand
Timor-Leste – Democratic Republic of Timor-Leste (also rendered as East Timor[1])
Togo – Togolese Republic
Tokelau (Overseas territory of New Zealand)
Tonga – Kingdom of Tonga
See Pridnestrovie for Transnistria[1]
Trinidad and Tobago – Republic of Trinidad and Tobago
Tristan da Cunha (Dependency of the UK overseas territory of Saint Helena)
Tunisia – Tunisian Republic
Turkey – Republic of Turkey
Turkmenistan
Turks and Caicos Islands (UK overseas territory)
Tuvalu

U
Uganda – Republic of Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom – United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
United States – United States of America
Uruguay – Eastern Republic of Uruguay
Uzbekistan – Republic of Uzbekistan

V
Vanuatu – Republic of Vanuatu
Vatican City – State of the Vatican City[39]
Venezuela – Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela
Vietnam – Socialist Republic of Vietnam
Virgin Islands, British – British Virgin Islands (UK overseas territory)
Virgin Islands, United States – United States Virgin Islands (US organized territory)

W
Wallis and Futuna – Territory of Wallis and Futuna Islands (French overseas community)
Western Sahara – Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic[40]

Y
Yemen – Republic of Yemen

Z
Zambia – Republic of Zambia
Zimbabwe – Republic of Zimbabwe

Abkazia would be part of Georgia, independent since the Koba's martyrdom.:rolleyes:

We really should flesh out the history of Georgia a bit more in the XXth century.

OK, Glen, I'm game. :) From my memory, this is what we have for 1900-1960 (after 1960, the whole world is sketchy). I'll do A's first...

Afghanistan is pretty much absent, but then again, not much happened there in OTL.
The Caucasian A's are represented a bit in their involvement in the Greek-Ottoman and Georgian-Russian intrigues. I like to think they're doing better, esp. since the Armenian Genocide seems to be much smaller-scale in XXth.
Albania, I can't recall anything.
Algeria has a great TL, but it drops off suddenly when the British take over.
Argentina, I can't recall anything.
Australia could really use sketches of its most famous OTL citizens' parallels.
Austria is very well covered.
The rest are minor places.

Oh, contraire....Afghanistan is actually WIPED OFF THE MAP!:mad: Happened while I was AWOL apparently. The Russians invaded and 'used up' their stock of WMD there. Its now a radioactive, poisoned part of the Reunited Tsardom of Russia.



Yes, you're probably right, but what happened to Armenian and Azerbaijan areas after the Global War?



Divvied up between Austria and Italy, then Italy falls apart in the Global War, and I think Austria takes the rest IIRC.



Need someone to give us a skeleton of Algeria's fate after the British, then.



The South American wars I think was the last bit on Argentina. Definitely need to sketch out South America for the mid and late 20th century.



Yes. We really need to draft some Aussies to help with that.....



Indeed. Could use a little more finishing in the late 20th century.



But we need to know their fate, if even it is to say, "See nation X."

There is a case to be made for forced relocation of Caucasus minorities into homogenous nation-states after the Global War, similar to the post-WWII relocations in Central & Eastern Europe.

Expand and explain....
 
There is a case to be made for forced relocation of Caucasus minorities into homogenous nation-states after the Global War, similar to the post-WWII relocations in Central & Eastern Europe.

Darn, I had a huge post written up and my computer ate it. I don't have time to retype it, so I'll just post this map of OTL Woodrow Wilson's plan for Armenia.
First_republic_of_Armenia-west_boarders_by_Woodrow_Wilson.png
 

Glen

Moderator
Darn, I had a huge post written up and my computer ate it. I don't have time to retype it, so I'll just post this map of OTL Woodrow Wilson's plan for Armenia.

Sorry Tom, but unless you were only referring to Armenia, I think you're going to need to rewrite that huge post.
 
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