With the Crescent Above Us 2.0: An Ottoman Timeline

It's also reflective of facts on the ground - Bulgaria spent a lot of time militarizing, even earning the "Prussia of the Balkans" moniker, while Austria-Hungary wasn't involved in a major war since the German and Italian unifications almost a half century prior. To be fair, the Habsburg strength was rarely in force of arms - it was typically diplomacy where they leveraged their power.

Well, that and TTL Austria-Hungary is only just beginning the army reforms that it was undergoing IOTL. Historically, they planned for the army reforms to be finished circa 1916 or 1917, though Hötzendorf's head was being put on the chopping block around the time of the July Crisis - Franz Ferdinand had begun angling to have him replaced with a different officer, even if he had been the one to push through Conrad von Hötzendorf's appointment. Apparently, Hötzendorf's attempts to play politics didn't sit well with the Archduke. IIRC, he was contemplating other names as Conrad's successor, including, among others, Oskar Potiorek (not that Potiorek, of all people, would be much of an upgrade from Hötzendrof).

Without the dual disasters of the Galizian and the later Carpathian offensives, the Austrian army is unlikely to become the shell it became by 1915 IOTL. Well, as long as they retain their multi-lingual NCO corps in some capacity - their annihilation during the initial months of WW1 was largely the reason for the army's inability to get its feet under it. Just remains to be seen if the war will remain limited enough for the Austrians to shake the rust off.
 
Conrad von Hötzendorf’s failure in Serbia would come with consequences for his career. Kaiser Franz Josef had been incensed at what he saw as Hötzendorf’s dishonesty in his reports about the situation at the front. It was here that the Byzantine politics of the Austro-Hungarian army worked against it. The court had increasingly come to see General Alfred Redl as a suitable replacement for Conrad von Hötzendorf. As this possibility began to look increasingly likely in November, Hötzendorf used his trump card. Beginning on the 18th of November, a series of newspaper exposes were published which identified Redl as a notorious homosexual. He was described as a profligate spender, often seen accosting young men near Prater Park. Redl’s competence in command was insufficient to overcome the revulsion amongst the Austro-Hungarian establishment, and not only were his dreams of promotion dashed but he was replaced with the incompetent pencil-pushed Oskar Potiorek. What would come to be known as the “Redl Affair” would come to represent to many in the empire the moral decay of the empire, though even at this point there were some who believed that homosexual or not, Redl should have at least been given a chance to serve.[5]
Just wondering but is it coincidence that the conflict parallel's the current Russo-Ukrainian war?
 
Crash of Thunderbolts - September on the Western Front
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Roger Evans; A Descent into Hell - A History of The World War: Penguin Publishing

September on the Western Front

Since the victory of the combined German armies in the Franco-Prussian war of 1870-71, German planning and thoughts on how a future war with France should proceed underwent various shifts. In the decades that followed the war, Helmuth von Moltke, who had led the Germans in their victorious war with France, believed that another rapid victory over France was not possible, and his subsequent operational plans for a war against France displayed a great deal more caution. Some of these plans also incorporated the possibility of fighting a two-front war with Russia, which was a somewhat unrealistic fear amongst the German army chiefs and envisioned not the quick “knock-out blows” that had characterized the German Wars of Unification, but rather grinding attritional affairs in which Germany would use her interior position to wear down her opponents. Any future war would be costly even to the victor. This pessimistic view of Germany’s prospects in a future war had, to some extent, made Moltke a voice for peace rather than war.

Helmuth Von Moltke was replaced by Alfred von Waldersee upon his retirement, but the new Chief of General Staff would not last in his position for long. When Kaiser Wilhelm I was replaced by his son Friedrich, von Waldersee was replaced by the new Kaiser. Kaiser Friedrich believed that von Waldersee was reactionary and ill-suited for the role owing to his apparently mentally unstable state, a judgement that the Kaiser had formed largely because of von Waldersee’s rabidly anti-Semitic and reactionary worldview. During Friedrich’s time as Kaiser, the German Army was generally discouraged from drawing up detailed war plans aimed at France and Britain, unwilling as he was to alienate the two liberal powers to his west. Planning tended to be aimed at Russia instead, though Germany’s general staff continued to draw up less-publicized plans against France, and there continued to be paranoia surrounding a possible Franco-Russian alliance. The opinion amongst much of the Junker class of Germany was that Kaiser Friedrich was allowing the strength of the German army to atrophy, and his own personal preference for the emerging German middle classes over the Junkers did little to endear him to them. There were some figures who approved of his attempts to establish closer relations with the British however, who were felt to be a natural partner to Germany.

This began to change after Friedrich’s death in 1901. Kaiser Wilhelm II dismissed most of the men favoured by his father and appointed Colmar von der Goltz as the new German chief of General Staff. Colmar von der Goltz had been a prominent military theorist as far back as the 1880s, and his efforts in reforming the Ottoman army had not gone unnoticed despite the defeat of the Ottomans in the Great Balkan War. Previously his argument that any future war against France would be a Volkskrieg, a more extreme version of the resistance that the French had offered toward the end of the Franco-Prussian War had made him unpopular, but he had caught the attention of Crown Prince Wilhelm, as well as the admiration of military thinkers such as Friedrich von Bernhardi Once he had become Field Marshall, von der Goltz had successfully lobbied for greater funds to be directed toward the army rather than the German navy, and on several occasions managed to persuade the Kaiser, who was inclined to all things naval to support the former over the latter. The German Army was able to retain its status as Europe’s largest, despite the rapid growth of Russia’s population and the heroic efforts of the French to increase the size of their army as much as possible.

Despite his success as a peacetime Chief of General Staff, von der Goltz was not sanguine about the prospect of war. His advice to the Kaiser at the beginning of the World War was sober. “I can give your majesty a victory, though not an easy one. It will cost us vast amounts of treasure, and the lives of hundreds of thousands of young men. And it may take years to crush the spirit of France. If we go to war, it will be a war of national annihilation”. Although he envisioned a great attritional struggle like von Moltke had done, von der Goltz nevertheless had planned for a more offensive war. Based on his observations of the Great Balkan War, he had identified artillery as the key in any modern offensive and had taken measures to ensure that the German army would have enough artillery to counter the formidable French 75mm field gun. The German army also possessed more howitzers, which would prove to be important when it came to indirect fire.

Even if the spirit of the general staff was decidedly gloomy when it came to war, the spirit of the army as a whole was confident. Von der Goltz and the general staff had planned an invasion through Belgium, reasoning that an offensive from Alsace-Lorraine would almost certainly become bogged down along a narrow front that was covered by extensive French fortifications, costing the Germans a higher price than was acceptable. In this, he adapted part of a proposal made by General Alfred von Schlieffen, though the strategic goal differed somewhat.[1] Von der Goltz reasoned that an invasion of Belgium would allow the Germans to lengthen the front by almost four hundred miles, enabling the full use of Germany’s superior numbers to achieve decisive battlefield victories for the German army and to capture Paris. This latter objective was envisaged as being the key to winning any long war of attrition, as Paris was key to France’s economy, infrastructure, and self-image. The fact that this violated the neutrality of Belgium, which had been guaranteed by German’s predecessor Prussia back in 1839, mattered little to men who saw the war as a war of national annihilation.

Though Belgium was only a small country, it was nevertheless determined to protect its own neutrality. Belgium had rejected a German request for military access, and when German soldiers began entering the country on the 19th of September, the country made a formal appeal to France and Britain to protect its independence. This was a de facto request to join the Entente, though a formal declaration of an alliance would not come until later. The Belgian field army had begun to amass behind the Meuse River, hoping that the modern fortifications of Liège would buy them time. While the fortresses there were among the most modern in the world, they were manned only by the garrison due to the speed of the German advance toward it. The concrete fortresses held well against the initial assaults of the Germans, as the Germans were only able to employ lighter field artillery and howitzers during the first day. However, by the 21st of September, the Germans had brought up their heavy siege artillery, which was able to reduce the forts one by one. The final Belgian garrison surrendered on the 24th of September, and the great fortress of Liège had barely slowed the German army at all.[2]

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The Belgians fought more fiercely than the Germans had anticipated, but bravery was not enough to overcome the strength of modern firepower
As von der Goltz put it following the fall of Liège, the Germans now had a window of a few weeks to sweep down on the northern flank of the French and crush as much of her war-making capacity as she could before the weather worsened and the war became one of attrition. Whether the German high command truly envisioned what was to come is still a matter of debate, with von der Goltz’s defenders insisting that he was a visionary, and his detractors claiming that the vision he had outlined of the “peoples war” would little resemble the attritional warfare that was to come. But that would be later. Already on the 24th of September advance units of the German army entered the almost-undefended city of Brussels. The Belgian army had pulled back to Antwerp to join the British army there, but they had not reckoned with the speed of the German advance. There was now a worry that the British and Belgians would be cut off from the French entirely, allowing the Germans to defeat all the Entente armies in detail.

Retreat would be a bitter pill to swallow for the Belgians. Already much of the country was under German occupation, and the few reports that were filtering out of occupied Belgium contained lurid details of German atrocities against civilians. In a number of villages, the male inhabitants were gathered and summarily shot by German troops. A story in which German soldiers broke into a nunnery and raped the nuns there infuriated not only Belgians, Frenchmen and the British, but even circulated in the United States, where President Theodore Roosevelt claimed that this was evidence of the inhumanity of the “Krauts”.[3] Initially dismissed as Entente Propaganda, reports of atrocities in Belgium by the German occupiers were later proved to have a great deal of veracity, even if some details were exaggerated by propagandists in Entente Nations. For their part the Germans claimed that the actions were in response to Belgian “Franc-Tireurs”, and this remained a contentious point of debate for decades afterwards.[4] However, even King Albert reluctantly accepted the merits of Sarrail’s argument that it was better to lose ground to the Germans than lose valuable men, and on the 28th of September, the Belgians began to conduct a fighting retreat through the part of the country they still held.

Further to the east, the war seemed to be going scarcely any better for the French. An attempt to counterattack the German forces coming through the Ardennes was shattered both by the superior number of Germany’s 4th and 5th armies, as well as by the more numerous howitzers of the German forces, which were better suited to the hilly terrain of the Ardennes. The French commanders sent their men on frontal assaults, trumpets blaring and red pants often revealing their position to German soldiers in the woods, and the result was carnage. On one sunny September day, the French army lost over 20,000 men killed, and 40,000 more wounded. Both armies were commanded to halt the counter-offensive and instead conduct a fighting retreat instead. Aware of his numerical inferiority, Sarrail wanted to avoid the loss of manpower and instead coax the Germans into advancing into France, where he hoped a combination of logistical difficulties and German exhaustion would allow him to launch a decisive blow against the invaders.

Elsewhere in the front, the situation had already become more static. In Alsace-Lorraine, both sides had constructed great fortifications, which now served only to discourage offensives on their common border. While both sides had learned from the Battle of Liège that even the most well-built modern fortresses could be pulverized by heavy artillery in a matter of days, they had also come to learn that simple trenches built into the earth could offer good protection against modern artillery, and in the first weeks of the war, both armies in the area began to build trench systems to enhance their defensive capabilities and allow for reinforcements in the more decisive arena of the war.

As September ended, it appeared that the position of the Entente in the West was perilous. The Germans maintained a clear numerical superiority in both men and machines, and there was an optimistic spirit to be found from the generals to the common soldiery. Entente soldiers, by contrast, understood their seemingly constant retreating boded poorly for their prospects in the war. It seemed likely that the Germans would be able to overwhelm the Entente forces, possibly getting as far as Paris and crippling France’s ability to make war. The picture was complicated by several key German failures, however. The Germans were failing to capture or destroy Entente military formations. Once the Entente forces along the front had stopped counterattacking and began conducting retreats instead, the casualty ratio was beginning to favour the Entente. The Germans were also confronted by mounting logistical difficulties. Wherever possible, Entente forces were sabotaging roads and railroads, blowing up bridges and collapsing tunnels. Already there were concerns on the part of the Germans about conscripts “blowing through their ammunition far more swiftly than we can hope to resupply them". Though many did not speak it out just yet, there were growing worries that the German army may exhaust itself before it achieved a swift victory.

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The situation on the Western Front at the end of September

[1] – Just think of it guys, a timeline in which Terence Zuber was right!

[2] – In OTL the Germans were slowed down by a few days, which probably was not decisive in the campaign itself, but may have allowed the Belgians to wreck more of their infrastructure and hamper the German advance. In TTL, the Germans have invested more into their heavy artillery though.

[3] – It’s worth noting that without the international response to the Boxer Rebellion, there is no precedent for calling the Germans “Huns” in TTL.

[4] – As it was in our own timeline, though apparently there is some evidence that Belgian Franc- Tireurs really did operate against German soldiers occupying Belgium. Of course, this does nothing to excuse German atrocities against the Belgians during their occupation of the country.

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Author's Notes - Military history isn't quite my forte, and I hope that at least most of this is plausible. The Germans have a more overwhelming superiority than the Entente compared to OTL, even with a somewhat larger British expeditionary force, and this may give TTL's Schlieffen Plan which isn't quite a Schlieffen plan more scope to succeed compared to OTL's. Considering that Germany doesn't have to worry about an Eastern Front or propping up Austria-Hungary, this may be enough for them to win. The question is whether they can reach Paris and whether this will be enough to make France capitulate.

Apologies also for the rather shit quality of my war map.
 
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Are we gonna seen how it's looking on the eastern front soon
Cos the way i see it its not looking good for japan
I'm not sure how well the British are gonna supply the Japanese in manchuko but the russians will definitely have learnt their mistakes from the russo-japanese (I'm not sure if it's happened already)
The numbers alone would be hard to beat let alone the local adversary china has on its doorstep
China looks much better than otl
I'm guessing the boxer rebellion didn't happen and that has huge effects on the Chinese Civil War
A more united front on the Chinese front would either push the Marco polo incident much further back probably even butterflied or the Chinese work with the Japanese to oust the russians from the eastern Pacific (highly unlikely)
Or the russians coax the Chinese into helping them out in Korea against the Japanese)
Kind of likely but still not very probable due to the anti western sentiment in China at the time
Or the British manage to damage the eastern siberian railway, but that would only trigger with massive war effort in the raj and central asian arid steppe lands which would be a nightmare for supplies
 
Italian neutrality is impossible, they are just to ambitious for there own good and honesty both sides are going to promise Italy land from there enemy’s and the neutral ottomans to join there side.

So the sultan better hope Italy joins the entente and ends up too exhausted fighting Austria to try for a war with the empire. because if Italy joins the TEA they WILL end up partition unless the ottomans also join the TEA and the Germans tell Rome, Moscow, and Athens to shove there ambition’s for ottomans lands.
This is something of a danger-zone for the Ottomans actually. With Italy, the TEA has enough reason to partition Ottoman lands and there would certainly be enough strength. Whether Italy does join... well were France to crumple against the Germans then I could see something like Italy's last-minute entry into the war in a very similar fashion to OTL's WW2. Without sudden French weakness, it looks a lot more questionable as Italy cannot sustain a long war against Britain economically.
I mean the Entente could offer more if they felt it was necessary, if Italy joined the Entente and things aren’t going swimmingly for them than Britain and France could offer Tunisia up as compensation if the Ottomans joined, and took the pressure off Italy, and they could just not tell Italy until after the war… it’s not ideal but certainly not the first time Italy got screwed out of things it wanted.

But yah if Bulgaria ends up looking more like a slaughter house than nation state the Allies might just decide that Bulgaria existing in some form is reward enough. This is why I brought up Saxony, originally the Prussians were gonna take it all but Austria wanting to be seen as the defender of small German states in the confederation wanted it to exist. Losing 50% of its territory was deemed acceptable by them as long as Saxony was still independent, and that might just be what the Allie’s decide.

That a Bulgaria that’s still independent even if it had to give up Northern Thrace along with Sofia’s southern provinces around Blagoevgrad is still maintaining the letter of the agreement if not the spirit, but still it’s their own fault! After all if Bulgaria had just picked a king, and not played with a dictator for 16 years this all could’ve been avoided. Is what I imagine some British and French politicians would think, besides if they need to give Bulgaria some prize and compensate for territory given to the Turks they can just take it from Serbia, and Romania!

I’m sure this won’t cause problems in the future! The most immediate one being probably the mass deportation of minorities from the newly rebuilt Ottoman Balkans if this idea came to fruition.
Tunisia is already in Italian hands, thanks in part to Britain and France, which has done some good things for their relations. They could always just offer Albania or Tripolia and Cyrenaica though, two areas which are still in Ottoman hands and the Italians have interests in.

Bulgaria isn't likely to last through 1913 and so the prospect of handing over some Bulgarian land to try and open another front in the Balkans is actually quite possible, but the question is if Abdulhamid wants to run the risk that this will bring. The Ottomans were trounced by the Russians and Austrians less than twenty years ago, and unless both powers are severely distracted, he is probably unwilling to run the same risk. One important question would be whether Abdulhamid lives to 1918 as he did in OTL.
Yeah, one thing to note that for all of the shooting itself in the foot Austria-Hungary did, it still managed to survive fighting a three-front war for four years.

Problem number one is having a general who's better at politics than actual military stuff in Hotzendorf to eff things up, especially when he gets to throw the one somewhat competent leader A-H has under the bus.
From my perspective, it seems that the Austro-Hungarian army may have been overrated before the war, but the resilience of the Austro-Hungarian state itself is underrated. As I enjoy pointing out to "inevitable collapse" types, both the Austro-Hungarian and Ottoman Empire proved to be more internally resilient than Tsarist Russia,
Austria-Hungary seemingly had an overwhelming advantage against the Bulgarians, but their slow mobilization and lack of coordination blunted any sort of offensive they could muster against their enemy. They are extremely lucky that Bulgaria is going to struggle in keeping up with this kind of pressure as they are already exhausted from taking over the majority of Serbia. Without any help from Britain or France and with their enemies around them, it is only a matter of time before Bulgaria is going to capitulate.

Still, it's humiliating that Austria-Hungary is defeated by a lowly Balkan state like Bulgaria, and even with their victory, I doubt that stain is going to go away in the post-war years.

Redl is probably going to survive ITTL, mainly because he isn't going to work for the enemy now that he is already outed. What that means for the gay rights movement is uncertain, but it does exist, especially in Germany. Makes me think that he might move there since Austria-Hungary has been particularly unwelcome to him.

I do think there will be a narrative by queer/modern historians that if Redl continued to lead the Austro-Hungarian Army, then he would've achieved a quicker victory due to his competence and awareness of the situation compared to his contemporaries.
It's also reflective of facts on the ground - Bulgaria spent a lot of time militarizing, even earning the "Prussia of the Balkans" moniker, while Austria-Hungary wasn't involved in a major war since the German and Italian unifications almost a half century prior. To be fair, the Habsburg strength was rarely in force of arms - it was typically diplomacy where they leveraged their power.
I would not be surprised if Italy tried to enter the war as a result of Austria-Hungary's perceived weakness. They'd be able to hold them off, but it would give Bulgaria some more breathing room.
Well, that and TTL Austria-Hungary is only just beginning the army reforms that it was undergoing IOTL. Historically, they planned for the army reforms to be finished circa 1916 or 1917, though Hötzendorf's head was being put on the chopping block around the time of the July Crisis - Franz Ferdinand had begun angling to have him replaced with a different officer, even if he had been the one to push through Conrad von Hötzendorf's appointment. Apparently, Hötzendorf's attempts to play politics didn't sit well with the Archduke. IIRC, he was contemplating other names as Conrad's successor, including, among others, Oskar Potiorek (not that Potiorek, of all people, would be much of an upgrade from Hötzendrof).

Without the dual disasters of the Galizian and the later Carpathian offensives, the Austrian army is unlikely to become the shell it became by 1915 IOTL. Well, as long as they retain their multi-lingual NCO corps in some capacity - their annihilation during the initial months of WW1 was largely the reason for the army's inability to get its feet under it. Just remains to be seen if the war will remain limited enough for the Austrians to shake the rust off.
If anything he'd be a considerable downgrade.
The Austro-Hungarians could have actually crushed the Bulgarians with their first offensive had they only waited a week or so to build up the force needed to overwhelm the Bulgarians. Instead, they have a stain on their prestige and their army's image that not even a successful later offensive will be able to make up for. But the Bulgarians will be pretty much spent from all of this. As SealTheRealDeal points out, it's unlikely that they have the shells and other materiel needed to keep fighting, and it is likely that soon they will be on the retreat. What happens next would be interesting, as besides fleeing by sea, the only real possibilities for the Bulgarian army to get out would be Albania and Thrace, both of which are under Ottoman control and would likely result in internment.

The Austro-Hungarians have been bloodied, but as some of you have hinted towards, this may not be such a bad thing for them. In OTL, the embarrassment of their failures against Serbia was combined with the annihilation of several Austro-Hungarian armies in Galicia and the Carpathians. As humiliating as TTL's losses to Bulgaria have been, they barely make a dent in the amount of trained manpower available to Austria-Hungary, and there is plenty of scope for the Austro-Hungarians to learn their lessons, beat the Bulgarians and then hold any possible attack from Italy.

Austria-Hungary is probably in the best position of the TEA as she doesn't have to face any peer great powers at the moment, and it seems as though the main part of the fighting promises to be over by the end of 1913. From this point, all she has to do is hold her own position in the Balkans and Alps (if, and it is a big if, the Italians join) while Germany and Russia do the harder fighting. That isn't a bad deal compared to what she had to face in OTL.

Who replaces Hötzendorf if he does get replaced is up in the air. One thing worth thinking about is that Franz Josef is getting old, and there is a new figure in the person of Franz Karl who is likely to bring big changes to the empire that reverberate beyond just the general staff.
Russia will crush Bulgaria they have good generals and the manpower to fix all their issues.
Russia probably would, but there is little reason for them to be involved in the Balkan conflict at the moment. Russia's eyes are currently looking East and South.
Just wondering but is it coincidence that the conflict parallel's the current Russo-Ukrainian war?
"Oh sh*t, they're fighting back, oh sh*t, they're really good, oh sh*t, OH SH*T" has been a thing since freaking forever.
Not to mention the invading the power is revealed to be a Paper Tiger militarily with politics to match
I suppose to some extent there is something of a parallel, but a better one would be a purely Austro-Hungarian vs Bulgarian one. The difference is of course, the Ukrainians look fairly likely to achieve all of their objectives in their war against the Russians (save the Crimea), whereas the Bulgarians don't really have a snowball's chance against Austria-Hungary in the long run, at least as far as positional warfare is concerned.
Definitely not the first time the Habsburgs got caught flat-footed by a smaller, more militarized power; see First Silesian War.
It's stuff like that that leads to people sometimes underrating the fighting ability of the Hapsburg armies in history.
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Are we gonna seen how it's looking on the eastern front soon
Cos the way i see it its not looking good for japan
I'm not sure how well the British are gonna supply the Japanese in manchuko but the russians will definitely have learnt their mistakes from the russo-japanese (I'm not sure if it's happened already)
The numbers alone would be hard to beat let alone the local adversary china has on its doorstep
China looks much better than otl
I'm guessing the boxer rebellion didn't happen and that has huge effects on the Chinese Civil War
A more united front on the Chinese front would either push the Marco polo incident much further back probably even butterflied or the Chinese work with the Japanese to oust the russians from the eastern Pacific (highly unlikely)
Or the russians coax the Chinese into helping them out in Korea against the Japanese)
Kind of likely but still not very probable due to the anti western sentiment in China at the time
Or the British manage to damage the eastern siberian railway, but that would only trigger with massive war effort in the raj and central asian arid steppe lands which would be a nightmare for supplies
It's my understanding that it didn't.
The Far Eastern front will actually be the subject of the next update.

Japan will certainly be outmatched by the Russians if one merely looks at numbers, but keep in mind the Russians have to supply their entire war effort along the single-tracked Siberian railway. The last major war the Russians had was the Great Balkan War in which they actually performed pretty well, and the Japanese last fought in the Sino-Japanese War, which ended in 1896, so both powers last had their military experience well over a decade ago.

China is in a better position, but whether she can stop Manchuria/Dongbei from becoming a battleground is another question entirely. She is likely to be neutral for the first part of the war, but this may change later on. The Boxer Rebellion did not happen in its OTL proportions as the Guangxi Emperor led his own palace coup against Cixi, later taking stronger actions against the Boxer movement. So China is a great deal more unified having not undergone the whole 8 Provinces business that she did during OTL's Boxer rebellion.

The British would probably like to support the Japanese, but will have their hands full in India and Europe, so this support is likely to be limited to that of moral support for now.
 
This is something of a danger-zone for the Ottomans actually.
This line reminded me of an off topic question I had, will the ottomans move there Capital East, perhaps to Ankara or Antalya, or even Antakya. There would be a few reasons the ottomans would want to do this

1: having the Capital right next to bunch of hostile foreign powers (Bulgaria, Greece, Russia) whom all want to conquer said Capital for historic, political, cultural, ethnic, strategic, and religious reasons is not a good idea.
2: Istanbul was once the geographic center of the empire, with the loss of almost the entirety of the Balkans to the east this is no longer the case, moving the Capital to a more central location will help improve government communications and response times to border territories and troublesome regions (Cypress, Lebanon, Armenia, Arabia,)
3: Istanbul was once and still is the economic, cultural, and political center of the Empire, but now that’s no longer the case geographically many rural regions to the east may start to wounded why there government is so is “Istanbul centric”. Moving the political Capital east and away from the largest city in the empire could reassure many rural Turks in Anatolia that the government will be giving them a greater focus after decades of crisis in the Balkans sucking up governments focus and resources
4: moving the Capital to Antakya or Antalya could help convince the Arabs that they are getting better representation in the Empire than before
5: Antalya and Antakya would also have less restrictive access to the Mediterranean than Istanbul, something very useful innthe case of a war
6: moving the Capital away from what is the most liberal, Diverse, and densely populated city in the empire could help the monarchy (whom are very conservative at this point) feel more secure against a popular uprising. (That’s why Egypt is moving there capital to a newly developed building project in the deserts east of the Nile delta and Cairo, and why Brazil moved There capital away from Rio, so the notoriously corrupt governments can avoid the same type of populist coup d’état that overthrew their monarchies)
 
4: moving the Capital to Antakya or Antalya could help convince the Arabs that they are getting better representation in the Empire than before
5: Antalya and Antakya would also have less restrictive access to the Mediterranean than Istanbul, something very useful innthe case of a war
If Ottoman want to moved away capital from Konstantiniyye I think they want something that bit more inland but still have easy access to Mediterranean & geographically important. Mediterranean port city capital can potentially expose themselves to naval bombardment & blockade not to mention the state of Ottoman Navy is subpar compared to potentially hostile naval power like Britain & Italy. So I believe both Antalya and Antakya is not an option. Antalya also have further disadvantage that is also further away from any major railway line.

I think if Ottoman want to move away their capital further east and more geographically centered, Aleppo is the best option. It is not too far away from Mediterranean and Antakya in Ottoman period already served as their main port to the area. Aleppo is also major hub of railways connecting Mesopotamia, Levant & Hejaz with Anatolia and Ottoman Europe so from communication and infrastructure standpoint also makes sense. Aleppo also one of the most economically important city in Ottoman Asia. In fact the city otl fall from prominence is due to separation of its hinterland and artificial trade barrier thanks to dismemberment of Ottoman empire in the aftermath of Great War.
 
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If Ottoman want to moved away capital from Konstantiniyye I think they want something that bit more inland but still have easy access to Mediterranean & geographically important. Mediterranean port city capital can potentially expose themselves to naval bombardment & blockade not to mention the state of Ottoman Navy is subpar compared to potentially hostile naval power like Britain & Italy. So I believe both Antalya and Antakya is not an option. Antalya also have further disadvantage that is also further away from any major railway line.

I think if Ottoman want to move away their capital further east and more geographically centered, Aleppo is the best option. It is not too far away from Mediterranean and Antakya in Ottoman period already served as their main port to the area. Aleppo is also major hub of railways connecting Mesopotamia, Levant & Hejaz with Anatolia and Ottoman Europe so from communication and infrastructure standpoint also makes sense. Aleppo also one of the most economically important city in Ottoman Asia. In fact the city otl fall from prominence is due to separation of its hinterland and artificial trade barrier thanks to dismemberment of Ottoman empire in the aftermath of Great War.
You make some great points, but Aleppo might be to far into the Arab half of the empire and to far the Turkish core of the empire. Adana is sufficiently inland in Turkish Anatolia but still close Arabia and the Mediterranean while also a central location in the ottoman rail network
 
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I think Ankara Is good enough for new capital. It's close enough to Istanbul and the Arab Inlands
Ankara is a good solid option from a security standpoint and it would rally the mindset of "rural" Turks in Anatolia, but it won't have the same affect Adana, Aleppo, Antalya, or Antakya would have in encouraging a more pro ottoman mindset in the empires Arab population. I'm sure many politically minded Arab subjects will be glad that the capital and center of the empire is no longer in such a "liberal and European" City like Istanbul.
 
I know its a dark topic but wouldn't it be in the ottoman interest to keep Bulgarian refugees out of their nation?. First bulgarians would most likely still consider those ottoman lands as bulgarian. It will increase the Bulgarian population there, cause more agitation. Lastly memories of the last war the muslim population would hate them due to bulgarian army and soft expulsion they suffered post war from the new Bulgarian state, alot of bad blood and feuds that are not settled. Pogroms against Bulgarian refugees should surely be accepted.

Any nationalist, right wing, religious nutter will argue bulgarian cleansed muslims from there land, point to Thessalonica or any urban area. Imagine the Albanians. Gods know what the Bulgarians have done it Kosovo. Forced assimilate christian albanians, and move bulgarians into muslim albanian land. Now massive bulgarian refugees fleeing into Albania proper is a powder keg. Albanians are already pissed off by ottoman failure to protect them, lost of their kin in the war from massacres etc, and Kosovo. Albania will make it a red line and theres little ottoman Gov can do no landbridge, Bulgarian success in greece and expansion will ferment a view Bulgaria wants to expand and Albania is legit surrounded.
 
I know its a dark topic but wouldn't it be in the ottoman interest to keep Bulgarian refugees out of their nation?. First bulgarians would most likely still consider those ottoman lands as bulgarian. It will increase the Bulgarian population there, cause more agitation. Lastly memories of the last war the muslim population would hate them due to bulgarian army and soft expulsion they suffered post war from the new Bulgarian state, alot of bad blood and feuds that are not settled. Pogroms against Bulgarian refugees should surely be accepted.
As coldhearted as this is gonna sound I think the ottomans should and would break down the refugees into two different groups, wealthy and poor refugees. The Ottomans should welcome any displaced persons that bring sufficient wealth along with them who can "Pay for the stay" as it were. On the other hand the empire should block Masses of poor Greeks and Bulgarians from flooding into the empire to consume resources and cause trouble.
Any nationalist, right wing, religious nutter will argue bulgarian cleansed muslims from there land, point to Thessalonica or any urban area. Imagine the Albanians. Gods know what the Bulgarians have done it Kosovo. Forced assimilate christian albanians, and move bulgarians into muslim albanian land. Now massive bulgarian refugees fleeing into Albania proper is a powder keg. Albanians are already pissed off by ottoman failure to protect them, lost of their kin in the war from massacres etc, and Kosovo. Albania will make it a red line and theres little ottoman Gov can do no landbridge, Bulgarian success in greece and expansion will ferment a view Bulgaria wants to expand and Albania is legit surrounded.
I think a settled upon agreement between the ottoman empire and Albania will be necessary and forthcoming, perhaps they will become a constituent kingdom of the ottoman empire with significant autonomy, perhaps they will become an independent kingdom in personal union with the ottoman empire. Ultimately I doubt they will go full independent considering how dangerous the Balkans are right now.
 
The fact that the Ottomans are currently Bulgaria's only friendly neighbor-- really, the only neighbor not at war with it-- seems very significant. If Bulgaria survives it will inevitably involve Ottoman economic help at the very least, and in return for this the Ottomans might get guarantees of safety for the Muslim population there.

Author's notes - Sorry to all of you who thought that this would be an Ottoman-wank. No refunds.
I think I only stayed away for so long because I thought it would be. But I've been skimming the timeline and already I like what I'm seeing more than 1.0 (although I did like 1.0). Although IIRC 1.0 had some goofy bits, was it you who wrote about a Tsarist Lenin? All the socialists in Russia and you pick him...

Well. No big African pizza slice this time. It's down to 1914 borders plus some scraps, which means actually relying on the Levant for example, although Iraq by this time is probably at its lowest level of urbanization and highest level of tribalization ever. And they're converting to Shiism for the express reason of scorning the Ottomans. Investment is not coming out of these places, it has to go into them-- and it can only come from abroad.

Connections with Indian capitalists should be high on the priority of Ottoman trade policy-- Muslim and Hindu, based in India or working from South Africa or wherever else. These people have money and business skills, and as the Khilafat movement indicates they can be convinced to have some sympathy for the Ottoman cause. They don't come with any of the political strings attached that Germany does (Germany aside, the Ottomans have no love for the Dreikaiserbund), but they form a lobby of public opinion within the British empire, which was permeable to Indian opinion to some extent. See Dadabhai Naoroji becoming a Liberal (granted, Chamberlain's government is not Liberal) MP in the 1890s. Although this might be a dangerous game-- early on it's not too significant if the Ottomans are courting figures close to the Indian National Congress, but if the INC gets into mass politics it's going to be harder to convince the British it's all just business.

Which means that wherever the Indians go, that place should look nice. Not a problem for Jeddah and Mecca, but what about the ones who enter through Basra? It's going to be a bad look if Constantinople waits around for the oil boom to do things like renovating Basra's neglected canal system.

Other sources of diaspora investment include the Lebanese (they live in the US, in Brazil) and potentially the Armenians. Keeping Arab Christians on side is important for another reason-- intellectuals from that sector, from George Habbash to Michel Aflaq, promoted Arab nationalist ideology in hopes of creating secular Arab states where they could belong. They might still have that hope, but their audience should remain convinced that the Ottoman project is worth supporting.

Of course, the population being somewhat low means it's hard to even do what Japan did, import resources from abroad and still make profitable industrial products because labor is cheap and abundant. At best that strategy is viable in Anatolia and maybe coastal Syria. But if they are going to do it, now during the war is exactly the right time. WW1 was a boom period for Japan, because all the European countries were experiencing shortages of civilian goods-- and here comes Japan with all the Manchurian soybeans Europe could want (for flour, oil to make into margarine...) The Ottomans have no reason to join the war-- instead this is the time to make their agricultural and industrial produce competitive, or acquire contracts to produce foreign technology, or send guest-workers (as China did) to go to France and acquire skills.

This line reminded me of an off topic question I had, will the ottomans move there Capital East, perhaps to Ankara or Antalya, or even Antakya. There would be a few reasons the ottomans would want to do this
Although Istanbul is vulnerable, the Armenian autonomy is itself a potentially pro-Russian wedge aimed at Cilicia; Antioch and Aleppo are both stuck in the small corridor between the Armenians and the sea, it is at best a less severe version of Constantinople's problem. It's really just a matter of whether the greater threat is coming by land or sea, not to mention air.

But in the meantime, no city will rival it in grandeur-- just a short walk through it is enough to build investor confidence. If the government is publicly pessimistic about the possibility of defending Constantinople, that is not the sort of message you want to send out. And trying to artificially spruce them some other city, replicating centuries of Constantinople's development, would be a poor use of resources, and raises the possibility of white elephant projects and corruption.

Now, it might be worth it to build a military/civil command complex in Ankara or Konya to which important departments can be transferred. That way Constantinople can be left to a trusted delegate and hopefully Leningrad it out in the case of disaster. But care should be taken to avoid creating separate hierarchies of Constantinople politics as normal and the bunker city's above-politics security-first deep state.

I know its a dark topic but wouldn't it be in the ottoman interest to keep Bulgarian refugees out of their nation?.
As coldhearted as this is gonna sound I think the ottomans should and would break down the refugees into two different groups, wealthy and poor refugees. The Ottomans should welcome any displaced persons that bring sufficient wealth along with them who can "Pay for the stay" as it were. On the other hand the empire should block Masses of poor Greeks and Bulgarians from flooding into the empire to consume resources and cause trouble.
The OTL 1914 population of the Ottoman empire was 18m. I doubt that Libya or Albania add much, at best it's still less than 25m. That's... not good, and it's not going to get better quick-- the Muslim world's population was low relative to the rest of the world for most of this period. Whatever problems Greece had after the population exchange, if Turkey really can't integrate a million or two immigrants then it has bigger problems.

Where would they go? One possibility is indicated by the fact that modern Amman was founded by Circassian muhacirs. There's still plenty of sparse patches (including in northwest Turkey where many Bulgarian Pomaks live) where conditions will be rough for the refugees, but they can establish clusters of villages and live in peace until the schoolteachers start forcing them to abandon their native languages.

Another possibility is moving not just into the tenements of Constantinople but Aleppo, Damascus, Beirut, and so on. Even if they become a despised underclass and even form strong dissident networks, all this is a familiar story from America's assimilation of immigrants-- it needed the labor, even if strikes could bring the country to a standstill, or immigrants could assassinate the president. The response was just to build up public and private police oppression, while waiting for the expansion of opportunities to make these families mostly quiescent by the second or third generation. Jersey Italians went from feared anarchist rabble to... well, Jersey Italians. Just like the Irish before them going from New York gangs to the NYPD. These things have a way of working themselves out.

I think a settled upon agreement between the ottoman empire and Albania will be necessary and forthcoming, perhaps they will become a constituent kingdom of the ottoman empire with significant autonomy, perhaps they will become an independent kingdom in personal union with the ottoman empire. Ultimately I doubt they will go full independent considering how dangerous the Balkans are right now.
At the very least Albania and Libya should be prepared to take charge of their own defense if needed-- same way British India was expected to not only take care of itself in both wars, but conduct its own expeditions against the enemy in places metropole forces could not reach. Although in practice it would probably end up looking more like Lettow-Vorbeck's bush war in WW1 East Africa.
 
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can't integrate a million or two immigrants then it has bigger problems.
The issue is most will be Christian Bulgarians. Ottomans can't settle them in the balkans as they consider ottoman balkans theirs. Sending them to rest of the empire is just creating a population that will agitate and cause communal violence with the muslims there. Ottomans don't need another eastern question.
 
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