yeah, that is very likely. She now has a cousin, Henri III Maximilian, son of Charles X and Elisabeth of Austria, who she would marry around 1598
What if Henry VIII's children by his first three wives had had children/gotten married?
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In addition to Brittany and potentially Scotland (pending a son being born to Mary), Catherine Victoire would also inherit her grandmother's vast properties: the counties of Boulogne, Auvergne and Lauraguais, and claims to Urbino, Florence, Pisa, Leghorn, etc.
Yeah that works. If there's no male cousin for France, she gets Brittany and weds a Scottish dude to consolidate her claim there
Why would she inherit Catherine's properties and not any of Catherine's other grandchildren?
yeah, currently I have Catherine Victoire betrothed to Edward Tudor (b. 1564), the eldest son of Edward VI and Elisabeth of Valois, but that is subject to change. Unfortunately for her, her mothers second marriage produced two sons, but at least she's a duchess, possibly Queen of England if she marries Prince Edward
I think Edward and Catherine's daughter can marry a French prince
Primogeniture.
The French would never allow her to marry abroad, let alone an Englishman. She'd be her generation's Anne of Brittany.
yes, however her cousin, Henri III Maximilian, isn't born until 1581, and is twenty years her junior, as are most of her cousins, aside from the Lorraine cousins through her aunt Princess Claude
what other frenchmen are available in the 1580s for marriage, when she'd be in her twenties?
The Dauphin Francis III of Brittany (if Francis do NOT remarry to her mother Eleanor) or Philip II of Spain…
James V of Scotland also could work
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Well she can be Henry's fourth wife ITTL or she could marry Maximilian II or the Duke of Savoy
Timeline of Events so far:
1540:
January: Henry VIII marries Anna of Cleves, the german sister of the Duke of Cleves. He is not taken with her
July: Henry has his marriage with Anna of Cleves annulled and she is henceforth called 'the kings sister'
July 28th: Henry, age 49 marries Lady Katherine Howard, age 15/16, the cousin of his second wife, Anne Boleyn
September: Lady Mary, age 24, marries Philipp, the Duke of Palatinate-Neuberg, age 37. She moves to his german court and finds it boring, but attempts to be a good wife to her husband, who she genuinely likes but does not love
1542:
February: Queen Katherine Howard, age 17/18, is executed, having been discovered having affairs with at least two men, and her sexual past before her marriage is revealed
July: Lady Mary, now Duchess of Palatinate-Neuberg, gives birth to her first child, a daughter who she names Katherine after her late mother, Katherine of Aragon
1543:
July: Henry marries the kind Lady Katherine Parr, a woman aged 31, who had been widowed twice before.
1545:
March: Mary gives birth to her second child, a son whom she names Henry after her father, despite her secret resentments towards him
1546:
October: Mary gives birth to another daughter, also named Mary
1547:
January: Henry VIII dies at the age of 56, all three of his children at his bedside, including Lady Mary, who had travelled to England at the news of his ill health. The Kingdom of England is thus inherited by the nine year old Edward VI
March: Mary returns to her husband and three children, who she had left in their german realms despite her wishes for them to meet their grandfather, whom they resemble greatly with their reddish hair and ruddy cheeks
May: Katherine Parr, Queen Dowager and widow of Henry VIII, marries in secret Thomas Seymour, the maternal uncle of the new King Edward VI. Sometime later the Lady Elizabeth, age 14, comes to live with her and Thomas
1548:
March: Katherine Parr discovers she is pregnant with her first child, a delight to her as she is 35
May: Lady Elizabeth is sent away from Katherine Parr's household, likely due to the inappropriate conduct of Thomas Seymour towards young Elizabeth. She appears withdrawn after this and is distrustful of men for sometime after
July: Mary's husband, Philipp von Wittelsbach, dies of an unknown cause at the age of 44. Mary is distraught, though she never loved him, she was very fond of him, and worries for their children's future, especially young Henry, who is now Duke of Palatinate-Neuberg. Mary quickly establishes that she will be his regent, and promises to raise him in her late husbands Lutheran faith.
August: Katherine Parr gives birth to a daughter, Mary Seymour, named after her former stepdaughter Lady Mary, who has refused to speak to her since her secret marriage to Thomas Seymour a year prior
September: Katherine Parr dies at age 36 from childbed fever, her chief mourner being the Lady Jane Grey, a first cousin once-removed of Edward VI, Mary and Elizabeth.
1549:
March: Thomas Seymour is executed for treason against Edward VI, now age 12. He is not mourned by many, especially the Ladies Mary and Elizabeth, who despised him for their own reasons
June: Edward VI arranges a marriage for his sister, Lady Elizabeth, age 16, to Edward Courtenay, age 23, a distant relative through their Yorkist grandmother, being descended from her sister Cecily of York. Elizabeth is unhappy to hear this but agrees to marry Edward, whom she knows barely.
July: Lady Elizabeth is reintroduced to her betrothed, and she finds that he is not unpleasant as she had feared, but is easy going and good tempered, and has reddish hair similar to her own
August: Mary, age 33, sends a letter of sisterly advice to her sister Elizabeth, whom she has had a difficult relationship with, and tells her that though she it is important to be a dutiful wife, it is of equal importance to be his equal, and to not allow him to diminish her intellectually, something Mary quickly chastised her late husband for early in their marriage.
1551:
April: Lady Elizabeth, age 18, marries Edward Courtenay, age 25. She is now quite fond of him and is excited to leave her brothers court for her own private household. Edward is made Earl of Devon upon the marriage by Edward VI, age 14
June: both of his sisters now married, The regency council begins to advise Edward on picking his own bride, and suggest that he choose a foreign princess. Edward decides on Princess Elisabeth of France, daughter of King Henri II and Catherine de Medici, though she is only 6 years old at the time, and is catholic as opposed to his Anglican Protestant. Their correspondence to King Henri II convinces him, however, and he agrees to such a match, despite the Popes quick threat of excommunicating both King Henri and Princess Elisabeth.
1552:
January: Edward Seymour, Duke of Somerset, is executed by his nephew, King Edward VI in the tower of London for treason, much like his brother had been three years prior.
1553:
October: King Edward VI turns 16 and is considered old enough to rule on his own, and so his regency council is dissolved. He summons his sister Elizabeth to court, and requests that she have her child at Hampton court, given that it is a child of Tudor blood, and could be his heir if he were to fail to have children. Elizabeth is surprised by his awareness of this possibility, but agrees. Edward also soon writes to his sister Mary, asking if he may visit her to meet her three children, more potential heirs, in the spring after the birth of Elizabeth's child. Mary agrees to this
1554:
March: Lady Elizabeth, Countess of Devon, age 21, gives birth at Hampton Court to her first child, a daughter, Anne Courtenay, named after Elizabeth's mother Anne Boleyn. The infant is noted to have the signature Tudor red hair, like her mother and Wittelsbach cousins
April: Edward VI travels to the German realm of Palatinate-Neuberg to meet his two nieces and nephew. When he arrives, he quickly notes of their obvious parentage as they are all very much Tudors in terms of appearance, with reddish hair like Mary, though young Henry, age 9, has hair of a more blondish color. He also observes that Katherine, age 12, is very bright and proper, and that little Mary, age 8, has a playful spirit which he admires. Edward tells Mary of his decision to reinstate her and Elizabeth as proper Princesses of England, but only on the condition that their children are Protestant. Mary agrees, and tells him that her children are proper protestants. Mary does not mention that she still attends mass in secret
May: Edward VI returns to England, having left the new parents Elizabeth and the Earl of Devon in charge.
June: Mary and Elizabeth are given their titles of Princesses back, and the line of succession is as follows:
- Any children Edward may have
- Mary
- Mary's protestant children
- Elizabeth
-Elizabeth's protestant children
- The Grey Sisters, Jane, Katherine and Mary, and any children they may have
Edward is careful and makes sure to exclude Mary, 12 year old Queen of Scots, as he knows she is Catholic and will never convert to Protestantism, though she is descended from his father's elder sister Margaret, as opposed to the younger sister Mary, the grandmother of the Grey sisters
1555:
March: Edward VI travels to France to meet his future bride, the 10 year old Elisabeth of Valois, and leaves his sister Elizabeth and her husband in charge once again. He finds the French princess to be charming and polite with good manners, and tells King Henri he plans to return in the following year
April: Edward VI returns to England
August: Lady Jane Grey, age 18 gives birth to her first child, a daughter, Frances Dudley, named after Jane's mother, the Duchess of Suffolk
1556:
August: Elizabeth gives birth to her second child, a son named Edward after her husband the Earl of Devon
1557:
May: Lady Jane Grey gives birth to her second child, another daughter, Jane Dudley, named after herself
1558:
February: Elizabeth gives birth to her third child, a daughter named Elizabeth, after herself and her namesake and grandmother Elizabeth of York
this is all I'll write for now, but I'll come in and add more on a second post starting with 1559. If anything doesn't make sense or seems wrong, let me know! I may be a history buff, but I'm no expert
January: Henry VIII marries Anna of Cleves, the german sister of the Duke of Cleves. He is not taken with her
July: Henry has his marriage with Anna of Cleves annulled and she is henceforth called 'the kings sister'
July 28th: Henry, age 49 marries Lady Katherine Howard, age 15/16, the cousin of his second wife, Anne Boleyn
September: Lady Mary, age 24, marries Philipp, the Duke of Palatinate-Neuberg, age 37. She moves to his german court and finds it boring, but attempts to be a good wife to her husband, who she genuinely likes but does not love
1542:
February: Queen Katherine Howard, age 17/18, is executed, having been discovered having affairs with at least two men, and her sexual past before her marriage is revealed
July: Lady Mary, now Duchess of Palatinate-Neuberg, gives birth to her first child, a daughter who she names Katherine after her late mother, Katherine of Aragon
1543:
July: Henry marries the kind Lady Katherine Parr, a woman aged 31, who had been widowed twice before.
1545:
March: Mary gives birth to her second child, a son whom she names Henry after her father, despite her secret resentments towards him
1546:
October: Mary gives birth to another daughter, also named Mary
1547:
January: Henry VIII dies at the age of 56, all three of his children at his bedside, including Lady Mary, who had travelled to England at the news of his ill health. The Kingdom of England is thus inherited by the nine year old Edward VI
March: Mary returns to her husband and three children, who she had left in their german realms despite her wishes for them to meet their grandfather, whom they resemble greatly with their reddish hair and ruddy cheeks
May: Katherine Parr, Queen Dowager and widow of Henry VIII, marries in secret Thomas Seymour, the maternal uncle of the new King Edward VI. Sometime later the Lady Elizabeth, age 14, comes to live with her and Thomas
1548:
March: Katherine Parr discovers she is pregnant with her first child, a delight to her as she is 35
May: Lady Elizabeth is sent away from Katherine Parr's household, likely due to the inappropriate conduct of Thomas Seymour towards young Elizabeth. She appears withdrawn after this and is distrustful of men for sometime after
July: Mary's husband, Philipp von Wittelsbach, dies of an unknown cause at the age of 44. Mary is distraught, though she never loved him, she was very fond of him, and worries for their children's future, especially young Henry, who is now Duke of Palatinate-Neuberg. Mary quickly establishes that she will be his regent, and promises to raise him in her late husbands Lutheran faith.
August: Katherine Parr gives birth to a daughter, Mary Seymour, named after her former stepdaughter Lady Mary, who has refused to speak to her since her secret marriage to Thomas Seymour a year prior
September: Katherine Parr dies at age 36 from childbed fever, her chief mourner being the Lady Jane Grey, a first cousin once-removed of Edward VI, Mary and Elizabeth.
1549:
March: Thomas Seymour is executed for treason against Edward VI, now age 12. He is not mourned by many, especially the Ladies Mary and Elizabeth, who despised him for their own reasons
June: Edward VI arranges a marriage for his sister, Lady Elizabeth, age 16, to Edward Courtenay, age 23, a distant relative through their Yorkist grandmother, being descended from her sister Cecily of York. Elizabeth is unhappy to hear this but agrees to marry Edward, whom she knows barely.
July: Lady Elizabeth is reintroduced to her betrothed, and she finds that he is not unpleasant as she had feared, but is easy going and good tempered, and has reddish hair similar to her own
August: Mary, age 33, sends a letter of sisterly advice to her sister Elizabeth, whom she has had a difficult relationship with, and tells her that though she it is important to be a dutiful wife, it is of equal importance to be his equal, and to not allow him to diminish her intellectually, something Mary quickly chastised her late husband for early in their marriage.
1551:
April: Lady Elizabeth, age 18, marries Edward Courtenay, age 25. She is now quite fond of him and is excited to leave her brothers court for her own private household. Edward is made Earl of Devon upon the marriage by Edward VI, age 14
June: both of his sisters now married, The regency council begins to advise Edward on picking his own bride, and suggest that he choose a foreign princess. Edward decides on Princess Elisabeth of France, daughter of King Henri II and Catherine de Medici, though she is only 6 years old at the time, and is catholic as opposed to his Anglican Protestant. Their correspondence to King Henri II convinces him, however, and he agrees to such a match, despite the Popes quick threat of excommunicating both King Henri and Princess Elisabeth.
1552:
January: Edward Seymour, Duke of Somerset, is executed by his nephew, King Edward VI in the tower of London for treason, much like his brother had been three years prior.
1553:
October: King Edward VI turns 16 and is considered old enough to rule on his own, and so his regency council is dissolved. He summons his sister Elizabeth to court, and requests that she have her child at Hampton court, given that it is a child of Tudor blood, and could be his heir if he were to fail to have children. Elizabeth is surprised by his awareness of this possibility, but agrees. Edward also soon writes to his sister Mary, asking if he may visit her to meet her three children, more potential heirs, in the spring after the birth of Elizabeth's child. Mary agrees to this
1554:
March: Lady Elizabeth, Countess of Devon, age 21, gives birth at Hampton Court to her first child, a daughter, Anne Courtenay, named after Elizabeth's mother Anne Boleyn. The infant is noted to have the signature Tudor red hair, like her mother and Wittelsbach cousins
April: Edward VI travels to the German realm of Palatinate-Neuberg to meet his two nieces and nephew. When he arrives, he quickly notes of their obvious parentage as they are all very much Tudors in terms of appearance, with reddish hair like Mary, though young Henry, age 9, has hair of a more blondish color. He also observes that Katherine, age 12, is very bright and proper, and that little Mary, age 8, has a playful spirit which he admires. Edward tells Mary of his decision to reinstate her and Elizabeth as proper Princesses of England, but only on the condition that their children are Protestant. Mary agrees, and tells him that her children are proper protestants. Mary does not mention that she still attends mass in secret
May: Edward VI returns to England, having left the new parents Elizabeth and the Earl of Devon in charge.
June: Mary and Elizabeth are given their titles of Princesses back, and the line of succession is as follows:
- Any children Edward may have
- Mary
- Mary's protestant children
- Elizabeth
-Elizabeth's protestant children
- The Grey Sisters, Jane, Katherine and Mary, and any children they may have
Edward is careful and makes sure to exclude Mary, 12 year old Queen of Scots, as he knows she is Catholic and will never convert to Protestantism, though she is descended from his father's elder sister Margaret, as opposed to the younger sister Mary, the grandmother of the Grey sisters
1555:
March: Edward VI travels to France to meet his future bride, the 10 year old Elisabeth of Valois, and leaves his sister Elizabeth and her husband in charge once again. He finds the French princess to be charming and polite with good manners, and tells King Henri he plans to return in the following year
April: Edward VI returns to England
August: Lady Jane Grey, age 18 gives birth to her first child, a daughter, Frances Dudley, named after Jane's mother, the Duchess of Suffolk
1556:
August: Elizabeth gives birth to her second child, a son named Edward after her husband the Earl of Devon
1557:
May: Lady Jane Grey gives birth to her second child, another daughter, Jane Dudley, named after herself
1558:
February: Elizabeth gives birth to her third child, a daughter named Elizabeth, after herself and her namesake and grandmother Elizabeth of York
this is all I'll write for now, but I'll come in and add more on a second post starting with 1559. If anything doesn't make sense or seems wrong, let me know! I may be a history buff, but I'm no expert
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Uh, what?
Lutheranism and Anglicanism are NOT the same and Mary's children would be the former while Edward was the latter
Edward would NOT restore his sisters as Protestants and if Mary had married outside England before the Third succession Act she would NOT be included in it, being wife of a foreign ruler and her children foreigners (these are the same reasons for which the line of Henry VIII’s elder sister, Margaret, was totally excluded so the same rule would apply to Mary). And Mary would need to sign the renounce to any pretension to the English crown for herself and her offspring BEFORE she is allowed to marry and her husband also will need to sign it or acknowledge who Mary has no right in the wedding contract1540:
January: Henry VIII marries Anna of Cleves, the german sister of the Duke of Cleves. He is not taken with her
July: Henry has his marriage with Anna of Cleves annulled and she is henceforth called 'the kings sister'
July 28th: Henry, age 49 marries Lady Katherine Howard, age 15/16, the cousin of his second wife, Anne Boleyn
September: Lady Mary, age 24, marries Philipp, the Duke of Palatinate-Neuberg, age 37. She moves to his german court and finds it boring, but attempts to be a good wife to her husband, who she genuinely likes but does not love
1542:
February: Queen Katherine Howard, age 17/18, is executed, having been discovered having affairs with at least two men, and her sexual past before her marriage is revealed
July: Lady Mary, now Duchess of Palatinate-Neuberg, gives birth to her first child, a daughter who she names Katherine after her late mother, Katherine of Aragon
1543:
July: Henry marries the kind Lady Katherine Parr, a woman aged 31, who had been widowed twice before.
1545:
March: Mary gives birth to her second child, a son whom she names Henry after her father, despite her secret resentments towards him
1546:
October: Mary gives birth to another daughter, also named Mary
1547:
January: Henry VIII dies at the age of 56, all three of his children at his bedside, including Lady Mary, who had travelled to England at the news of his ill health. The Kingdom of England is thus inherited by the nine year old Edward VI
March: Mary returns to her husband and three children, who she had left in their german realms despite her wishes for them to meet their grandfather, whom they resemble greatly with their reddish hair and ruddy cheeks
May: Katherine Parr, Queen Dowager and widow of Henry VIII, marries in secret Thomas Seymour, the maternal uncle of the new King Edward VI. Sometime later the Lady Elizabeth, age 14, comes to live with her and Thomas
1548:
March: Katherine Parr discovers she is pregnant with her first child, a delight to her as she is 35
May: Lady Elizabeth is sent away from Katherine Parr's household, likely due to the inappropriate conduct of Thomas Seymour towards young Elizabeth. She appears withdrawn after this and is distrustful of men for sometime after
July: Mary's husband, Philipp von Wittelsbach, dies of an unknown cause at the age of 44. Mary is distraught, though she never loved him, she was very fond of him, and worries for their children's future, especially young Henry, who is now Duke of Palatinate-Neuberg. Mary quickly establishes that she will be his regent, and promises to raise him in her late husbands Lutheran faith.
August: Katherine Parr gives birth to a daughter, Mary Seymour, named after her former stepdaughter Lady Mary, who has refused to speak to her since her secret marriage to Thomas Seymour a year prior
September: Katherine Parr dies at age 36 from childbed fever, her chief mourner being the Lady Jane Grey, a first cousin once-removed of Edward VI, Mary and Elizabeth.
1549:
March: Thomas Seymour is executed for treason against Edward VI, now age 12. He is not mourned by many, especially the Ladies Mary and Elizabeth, who despised him for their own reasons
June: Edward VI arranges a marriage for his sister, Lady Elizabeth, age 16, to Edward Courtenay, age 23, a distant relative through their Yorkist grandmother, being descended from her sister Cecily of York. Elizabeth is unhappy to hear this but agrees to marry Edward, whom she knows barely.
July: Lady Elizabeth is reintroduced to her betrothed, and she finds that he is not unpleasant as she had feared, but is easy going and good tempered, and has reddish hair similar to her own
August: Mary, age 33, sends a letter of sisterly advice to her sister Elizabeth, whom she has had a difficult relationship with, and tells her that though she it is important to be a dutiful wife, it is of equal importance to be his equal, and to not allow him to diminish her intellectually, something Mary quickly chastised her late husband for early in their marriage.
1551:
April: Lady Elizabeth, age 18, marries Edward Courtenay, age 25. She is now quite fond of him and is excited to leave her brothers court for her own private household. Edward is made Earl of Devon upon the marriage by Edward VI, age 14
June: both of his sisters now married, The regency council begins to advise Edward on picking his own bride, and suggest that he choose a foreign princess. Edward decides on Princess Elisabeth of France, daughter of King Henri II and Catherine de Medici, though she is only 6 years old at the time, and is catholic as opposed to his Anglican Protestant. Their correspondence to King Henri II convinces him, however, and he agrees to such a match, despite the Popes quick threat of excommunicating both King Henri and Princess Elisabeth.
1552:
January: Edward Seymour, Duke of Somerset, is executed by his nephew, King Edward VI in the tower of London for treason, much like his brother had been three years prior.
1553:
October: King Edward VI turns 16 and is considered old enough to rule on his own, and so his regency council is dissolved. He summons his sister Elizabeth to court, and requests that she have her child at Hampton court, given that it is a child of Tudor blood, and could be his heir if he were to fail to have children. Elizabeth is surprised by his awareness of this possibility, but agrees. Edward also soon writes to his sister Mary, asking if he may visit her to meet her three children, more potential heirs, in the spring after the birth of Elizabeth's child. Mary agrees to this
1554:
March: Lady Elizabeth, Countess of Devon, age 21, gives birth at Hampton Court to her first child, a daughter, Anne Courtenay, named after Elizabeth's mother Anne Boleyn. The infant is noted to have the signature Tudor red hair, like her mother and Wittelsbach cousins
April: Edward VI travels to the German realm of Palatinate-Neuberg to meet his two nieces and nephew. When he arrives, he quickly notes of their obvious parentage as they are all very much Tudors in terms of appearance, with reddish hair like Mary, though young Henry, age 9, has hair of a more blondish color. He also observes that Katherine, age 12, is very bright and proper, and that little Mary, age 8, has a playful spirit which he admires. Edward tells Mary of his decision to reinstate her and Elizabeth as proper Princesses of England, but only on the condition that their children are Protestant. Mary agrees, and tells him that her children are proper protestants. Mary does not mention that she still attends mass in secret
May: Edward VI returns to England, having left the new parents Elizabeth and the Earl of Devon in charge.
June: Mary and Elizabeth are given their titles of Princesses back, and the line of succession is as follows:
- Any children Edward may have
- Mary
- Mary's protestant children
- Elizabeth
-Elizabeth's protestant children
- The Grey Sisters, Jane, Katherine and Mary, and any children they may have
Edward is careful and makes sure to exclude Mary, 12 year old Queen of Scots, as he knows she is Catholic and will never convert to Protestantism, though she is descended from his father's elder sister Margaret, as opposed to the younger sister Mary, the grandmother of the Grey sisters
1555:
March: Edward VI travels to France to meet his future bride, the 10 year old Elisabeth of Valois, and leaves his sister Elizabeth and her husband in charge once again. He finds the French princess to be charming and polite with good manners, and tells King Henri he plans to return in the following year
April: Edward VI returns to England
August: Lady Jane Grey, age 18 gives birth to her first child, a daughter, Frances Dudley, named after Jane's mother, the Duchess of Suffolk
1556:
August: Elizabeth gives birth to her second child, a son named Edward after her husband the Earl of Devon
1557:
May: Lady Jane Grey gives birth to her second child, another daughter, Jane Dudley, named after herself
1558:
February: Elizabeth gives birth to her third child, a daughter named Elizabeth, after herself and her namesake and grandmother Elizabeth of York
this is all I'll write for now, but I'll come in and add more on a second post starting with 1559. If anything doesn't make sense or seems wrong, let me know! I may be a history buff, but I'm no expert
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Seconding @isabella, Mary and her kids are out of the will.
Also, OTL Edward’s first will was for Jane Grey’s male heirs. It wasn’t until he realized he wasn’t going to live for Jane to have kids, that he changed his will to include Jane.
With Elizabeth having a male son, Elizabeth wouldn’t be included in the will; it would go directly to her son.
Also, OTL Edward’s first will was for Jane Grey’s male heirs. It wasn’t until he realized he wasn’t going to live for Jane to have kids, that he changed his will to include Jane.
With Elizabeth having a male son, Elizabeth wouldn’t be included in the will; it would go directly to her son.
Agreed. If Edward choose to touch the succession he will include only the male heirs of Elizabeth and the ones of Grey sisters, but I do not know if he will touch it with Mary already excluded and Elizabeth as his heiress presumprive
that is a very good point I hadn't considered
would Elizabeth and her children still be in the line of succession, since they are protestant and english subjects?ah okay. So a more accurate line of succession could be:
1. Children of Edward VI (none as of 1558)
2. Children of Jane Grey (Frances then Jane jr)
3. Children of Elizabeth (Edward, then Anne, then Elizabeth jr.)
Elizabeth would be ahead of Jane, but Elizabeth and her daughters likely would not be included if she has a son.